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Old Posted Aug 13, 2013, 7:07 PM
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that's horrible. I could spend 10 minutes on sketchup and come up with something much much better.
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Note: these renderings are not finished. They will be released in a few weeks with materials, textures etc. However, due to the immediate possibility of demolition, Butani decided to release various views of the unfinished rendering.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2013, 9:28 PM
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I am not sure if this is an actual conceptualization from Blanchard's development team. Does Maresh Butani have a direct working relationship with David Blanchard, or is this his own personal recommendation for how the site should be developed?
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I am not sure if this is an actual conceptualization from Blanchard's development team. Does Maresh Butani have a direct working relationship with David Blanchard, or is this his own personal recommendation for how the site should be developed?
Judging by the article, it appears to me that it's Butani's own personal recommendation, and not tied to the owners/developers.
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Judging by the article, it appears to me that it's Butani's own personal recommendation, and not tied to the owners/developers.
Not sure if any one else has experience with 3D software. Google SketchUp is really primitive. I use Maxon Cinema 4D. I learned the software on my own. It's very user friendly. A few tuts and you will no doubt get the hang of it - give it a try! There is a demo version on Maxon's website, and full version elsewhere

I'll have a stab at a concept for Gore Park using C4D.

The one above would never work. Adding 'fins' as I call them - flat planks of structure on top of buildings looks odd, especially over existing architecture. In this case, transparency might be best. Something that highlights the history below, and existing architecture. A nice blend to mix them all together.
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when will this city learn to stop giving weight to land speculators' empty promises? It's like a daily re-living of the simpsons monorail episode around here. If only leonard nimoy would come save us from ourselves....
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They own most of the rest of the block. In real cities they build condo towers on lots the size of postage stamps because the value of condos is so high.

If there was demand for a complex like this in Hamilton, it would be under construction on one of the numerous blocks that's already been completely destroyed.

If there was demand, blanchard would have no problem selling the rest of that block to someone who can build a tower behind the existing buildings.

There's no need to do any fancy footwork to build stuff on top of these buildings. How about we worry about filling all of the other empty lots before creating a single new one?

Greed, stupidity, lack of understanding, incompetence in negotiating.... if these buildings come down it will be because of these, and we will not see replacements for years - probably decades - maybe ever.
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remember when developers actually used tall buildings to make a name for themselves back in the day

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Any idea when this was taken? Mid-60s? (judging by the cars and the bus at far left)
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Any idea when this was taken? Mid-60s? (judging by the cars and the bus at far left)

Someone estimated 1972 which is the year the HSR adopted the Tiger-Cat's colours and striping as seen on that bus and the one below.

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Why does King widen to 4 lanes after international village? wouldn't it be nice if it stayed 2 lanes all the way to Bay (or all the way to westdale actually)? And imagine how inviting gore park would be if the fences along king were removed? what a mess. this city couldn't urbanism itself out of a paper bag
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Considering the possibility that Stinson is actually being productive, maybe there's hope for this project too.
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The years have definitely not been kind to those poor buildings. As we can see now, none of the fancy detailing that used to exist on the ground floor spaces remains behind the stucco junk that got pulled off.
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I believe those are per-building prices. If they are (and I believe there are four buildings), then that amounts to $4.4 million.
It's the net amount. From the heritage grant brief, details on the conditional pre-approval:

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(a)That a grant commitment to an upset limit of $850,000 be approved under the Hamilton Heritage Property Improvement Grant Program for Hughson Business Space Corporation (Marvin Barnett, David Blanchard, Ronald Quinn, William Rogan) owner of 18, 20, 22, 24 and 28 King Street East, conditional upon all terms and conditions of the Program being met and subject to complete program applications being submitted no later than December 31, 2014;

(b) That a grant commitment to an upset limit of $250,000 be approved under the GORE Building Improvement Grant Program for Hughson Business Space Corporation (Marvin Barnett, David Blanchard, Ronald Quinn, William Rogan) owner of 18, 20, 22, 24 and 28 King Street East, conditional upon all terms and conditions of the program being met.


And details on the Hamilton Heritage Property Grant Program:

The Program offers a grant for structural/stability work required to conserve and restore heritage features of properties and, the conservation and restoration of heritage features of properties that are designated under Parts IV or V of the Ontario Heritage Act. For projects valued at $40,000 or less, the grant is based on 50% of the total project cost to a maximum grant of $20,000 for eligible work under the Program. For projects valued over $40,000, the grant includes $20,000 (i.e. 50% of $40,000), plus an additional grant based on 25% of the total project cost over $40,000, to a maximum additional grant of $130,000. In total, no more than $150,000 will be granted for eligible work under the Program. The Program also offers an additional $20,000 grant for heritage related reports/assessments/studies.

Still, they didn't even apply for the grants.


Saving Gore façades eclipses $1m grants: owner
(Hamilton Spectator, Matthew Van Dongen, Nov 29 2013)

The co-owner of five Gore Park properties facing demolition says $1 million in heritage grants would still only cover half the cost of salvaging the historic building façades.

Councillors will be asked next week to approve up to $1.1 million for the owners of 18-28 King St. E. if they agree to preserve enough of the buildings — particularly the historic storefronts — to qualify for a heritage designation.

It's a "unique" recommendation, considering the building owners haven't officially applied for the heritage cash or committed to saving the buildings, acknowledged urban renewal manager Glen Norton.

"It's like a conditional approval …. We don't normally do it, but I think we'd consider it for significant projects and buildings," said Norton, noting the increasingly loud public protest over the looming demolition of the properties.

"We're having productive discussions with the owners and this is a way to give them some certainty — if you do your part, the funds are there."

Buildings co-owner David Blanchard said he's "exploring the opportunities" associated with the grants, which would require provincial designation to access the full amount.

But he added it will cost at least $2 million to preserve the front of each of the five buildings. Removing historic façade elements and adding them to a new building would cost less, but likely would not qualify for heritage designation.

"If we preserve the façades, we would like it to be revenue neutral," Blanchard said. "If we spend an extra million dollars on that alone, I don't see how we'd ever get it back."
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Financial assistance up to $850,000 would be available under the Hamilton Heritage Property Improvement Grant Program if the buildings (or part of the buildings) were designated under Parts IV of the Ontario Heritage Act and preservation/ conservation/stability work was undertaken on the buildings.

The owner would also be eligible for grants up to $250,000 under the GORE Building Improvement Grant Program if the buildings are not demolished and improvements to the existing buildings were undertaken. The GORE Building Improvement Grant Program would also be available to the owner if the properties were demolished and the building facades were reconstructed using the site’s previously existing historic façade elements and materials as supported by historical images or other documentation. The reconstruction and its related costs (e.g. cataloguing and storage) would be the only eligible cost under the GORE program in this case.
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God damnit, as much as I'd love to see those facades stay, I can't help but feel like I'd love a huge modern wall of glass there, or something really architecturally striking. I LOVE those buildings, but they're in such disrepair, and it'll be tough to find uses for them that can bring in money. If they knocked them all down, and replaced them with something really modern and clean, I wouldn't be sad.
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Cleaned up, those buildings would be gorgeous and act as a magnet for the Gore. Something new? Not sure what the point would be. This is the historic centre of the city and the architecture should reflect that.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2013, 2:13 AM
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Via @SamCraggsCBC:

Well then. Farr just got rules waived to introduce designating Gore buildings tonight. Bratina broke a tie to allow it #HamOnt

In other words, 7 of 14 councillors didn't want Farr to be able to introduce his Gore buildings motion. Mayor broke tie in favour

Gore demolition permit expires in less than a month, Farr says. He's not encouraged owner won't just demolish the buildings

Farr says after numerous meetings, he still has no assurance about saving Gore buildings. & still seems to be no solid plan in place

Seems to be a lot of fear 18-28 King E will be demolished & turned into a parking lot, creating a blight in the Gore, esp during Pan Am

If council votes in favour of this, the demolition permits for 18-28 King E would be null & void. This would stop the Gore demolition

Some have reservations about notion of suddenly designating a property heritage at the council table. But seems to be support for motion

If Gore buildings designated, owner would have to restore what's there by getting rid of fencing & fixing bottom of facades


And most importantly:

Council just voted to STOP the demolition of 18-28 King St E in the Gore. Buildings have been designated heritage #HamOnt
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Good work Farr.
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When the project would cost 10s of millions a few 100k doesn't seem like much of an insentive.
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