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Old Posted Apr 19, 2018, 2:40 AM
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The pavilion looks beautiful, but retail seems severely under-built in that area - that small pavilion (just one unit?) serves a large post-secondary campus, and several large office buildings with more to come. Planners seem insanely wedded to the idea that retail should be confined to the old streetcar high streets.
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That post-secondary campus is Emily Carr - twenty bucks says the pavilion's mostly there for students to vend their art. I'm guessing any actual retail would be developed around the grassy area where the SkyTrain's planned to go.
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The pavilion looks beautiful, but retail seems severely under-built in that area - that small pavilion (just one unit?) serves a large post-secondary campus, and several large office buildings with more to come. Planners seem insanely wedded to the idea that retail should be confined to the old streetcar high streets.
There's a fair amount of retail already proposed (and approved) but not on any streetcar high street. There's over 10,000 sq. ft. of retail under the approved office building at 339 E1st, and 45,000 sq. ft. in the approved Onni hotel / office / live-work project at 399 E1st. There will no doubt be more in further development proposals - stringing it out along Great Northern Way isn't the proposal here.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2018, 12:07 PM
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Renderings of the pavilion:

https://perkinswill.com/work/565-gre...y-and-pavilion

2000 square feet and it was up for lease last year ($60/sq feet):

https://s3.amazonaws.com/spacelist-p...pdf?1504891777
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2018, 5:11 PM
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Renderings of the pavilion:

https://perkinswill.com/work/565-gre...y-and-pavilion

2000 square feet and it was up for lease last year ($60/sq feet):

https://s3.amazonaws.com/spacelist-p...pdf?1504891777
Maybe this is a dumb question but is $60/sq.ft. the annual lease?
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2018, 5:58 PM
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Nevermind, it's still for lease:

https://www.commerciallistings.cbre....view=isLetting

Gross Rent
$76.75/sq. ft.
Net Rent
$60/sq. ft. net
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Maybe this is a dumb question but is $60/sq.ft. the annual lease?
Yes.. $120k/year or $10k/month.

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Yes.. $120k/year or $10k/month.

Ron.
I don't get how any small retail based business makes money in Vancouver.

Staff costs, lease, insurance, stock costs, probably like $20,000 a month to break even before you start making any money.

That's a ot of coffee or cookies you got to sell.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2018, 9:57 PM
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I don't get how any small retail based business makes money in Vancouver.

Staff costs, lease, insurance, stock costs, probably like $20,000 a month to break even before you start making any money.

That's a ot of coffee or cookies you got to sell.
The soon to be vacated Chapters on Granville is $155 sq feet.
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I don't get how any small retail based business makes money in Vancouver.

Staff costs, lease, insurance, stock costs, probably like $20,000 a month to break even before you start making any money.

That's a ot of coffee or cookies you got to sell.
A busy coffee shop makes a lot more than $20k per month.
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A busy coffee shop makes a lot more than $20k per month.
I gather they must. I just find that completely surprising.
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Calling all architects, planners, designers and creative teams! Visit our #ReinventingCities site in #theFlats on June 4 and join the exciting challenge to come up with ideas to transform the site into a sustainable, innovative development http://ow.ly/Nt9w30kbtTx
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Didn't they already do this a few years ago??

Edit*. Maybe it was the area parallel to terminal east of this site. But I remember it being called the flats as well
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Calling all architects, planners, designers and creative teams! Visit our #ReinventingCities site in #theFlats on June 4 and join the exciting challenge to come up with ideas to transform the site into a sustainable, innovative development http://ow.ly/Nt9w30kbtTx
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I don't get it. Is the city expecting professionals to hand over their ideas for free?
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I don't get it. Is the city expecting professionals to hand over their ideas for free?
This.

This is a big proposal, would take a lot of billable hours to procure something worth presenting to the City.

Whats the upside? Will this be awarded to the firm?
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The pavilion looks beautiful, but retail seems severely under-built in that area - that small pavilion (just one unit?) serves a large post-secondary campus, and several large office buildings with more to come. Planners seem insanely wedded to the idea that retail should be confined to the old streetcar high streets.
Yup, pretty dumb I need to add.
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This looks like a subset of the Flats "ideas" project that was floated a few years ago. Is there something specific about the area in green that is under discussion right now?

I see Ralph's audio moved out to Venables last weekend. The old location is in the white area I believe. Does anybody know if something is imminent for that space?
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2018, 6:17 PM
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This.

This is a big proposal, would take a lot of billable hours to procure something worth presenting to the City.

Whats the upside? Will this be awarded to the firm?
It's not just the time spent preparing the presentation, but a larger problem that Edmonton just created for itself, when it did a big call for "ideas" but expressly laid out that losing bidders would not be compensated for any ideas that the city subsequently used. One bidder was smart enough to call the city out in its presentation and withheld critical details of its proposal, although I'm sure they won't win as a result.
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Yup, pretty dumb I need to add.
As already posted above ... There's a fair amount of retail already proposed (and approved) but not on a streetcar high street. There's over 10,000 sq. ft. of retail under the approved office building at 339 E1st, and 45,000 sq. ft. in the approved Onni hotel / office / live-work project at 399 E1st. There will no doubt be more in further development proposals - stringing it out along Great Northern Way isn't the proposal here.
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