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Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 9:44 PM
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I believe Iceland is essentially bankrupt - is this the model that you feel the HRM should follow? I think that the HIAA did a great job by getting the most for the budget that it had available. Their objective was a financially responsible design, not revolutionary design at any cost as it seems is your desire.
Iceland's economic collapse was hardly due to the money they spent on their airport. Things aren't this simple, but I'm sure you already know this.

In no way am I talking revolutionary design, I'm just talking good design. And I'm not talking about purely aesthetics and finishes, although that's certainly part of it. I'll I'm saying is that this could have been better and within the same budget. I go through this airport frequently and it is a huge improvement. I just wish we'd stop settling for the easy answer on 95% of development projects in the region. I agree with Halifaxboyns- part of the problem is a lack of regional style. It is there, but its like we afraid of doing things too different, so we settle for a mix of regional iconism - read lighthouses - that is far too literal, and more generic, safe international office style. This mix is toxic, yet it seems to be our standard.

Brian MacKay Lyons is probably the best know architects trying to (re)establish a regional style with a commitment to the "use of Atlantic Canadian vernacular materials and construction techniques". I think offering him a big high profile commission - other than university - could really benefit the region.

A small residential example, but applicable none-the-less:


[source: http://www.designporn.ca/2010/08/24/...architecture/]
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A big Giant Lighthouse is what our airport needs. Nav Canada should redesign the Control Tower to look like one. Boy that would be swell! Forget all that modern stuff, lol.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 10:50 PM
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One way to expand on the 'Atlantic theme' you mention Planarchy is with the regional plan, when it comes due to renew it (probably 5 years before it expires).

I say that because Calgary did the same exercise before it did Plan It - which is the city's new municipal development plan (MDP) - same idea as the regional plan.

They created a forum called ImagineCalgary - which was a huge visioning exercise about where citizens saw Calgary in the future - where and how it would grow, downtown development, high density versus low and style questions. They came up with a vision from that process, which then flowed into Plan It as principles towards the final plan. I think in the end the vision got watered down because of political pressure, but for the most part many of the key concepts followed. I'll post something in the thread I created on the regional plan with a link to the Imagine Calgary website.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 11:08 PM
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One way to expand on the 'Atlantic theme' you mention Planarchy is with the regional plan, when it comes due to renew it (probably 5 years before it expires).

I say that because Calgary did the same exercise before it did Plan It - which is the city's new municipal development plan (MDP) - same idea as the regional plan.

They created a forum called ImagineCalgary - which was a huge visioning exercise about where citizens saw Calgary in the future - where and how it would grow, downtown development, high density versus low and style questions. They came up with a vision from that process, which then flowed into Plan It as principles towards the final plan. I think in the end the vision got watered down because of political pressure, but for the most part many of the key concepts followed. I'll post something in the thread I created on the regional plan with a link to the Imagine Calgary website.
The Regional Plan is up for review next year - 2011. And while visioning exercises can be useful in some applications, as you point out, they are not so effective at a regional scale and produce the same generic results "build a sustainable community, a place to live, work, play" and all that meaningless stuff. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a visioning process at a regional scale that produced any meaningful and contextual results. I will take a look at the Imagine Calgary website through. Always interested at how other cities/municipalities approach these types of processes.
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The Regional Plan is up for review next year - 2011. And while visioning exercises can be useful in some applications, as you point out, they are not so effective at a regional scale and produce the same generic results "build a sustainable community, a place to live, work, play" and all that meaningless stuff. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a visioning process at a regional scale that produced any meaningful and contextual results. I will take a look at the Imagine Calgary website through. Always interested at how other cities/municipalities approach these types of processes.
Well Plan it got watered down from Imagine simply because of the density target issue. Council wanted to set a minimum density for new communities (based on the gross development area) and unfortunately my marked up copy isn't around my desk. Whatever the minimum was for the MDP; it got watered down at the last minute because of political pressure.

I think the review in 2011 for the RPS for HRM is to give an update on how well it's goals are being met, not an overall review and tweak?
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 11:43 PM
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Well Plan it got watered down from Imagine simply because of the density target issue. Council wanted to set a minimum density for new communities (based on the gross development area) and unfortunately my marked up copy isn't around my desk. Whatever the minimum was for the MDP; it got watered down at the last minute because of political pressure.

I think the review in 2011 for the RPS for HRM is to give an update on how well it's goals are being met, not an overall review and tweak?
Someone else here may be able to confirm, but almost sure that this a broad review with opportunities to refocus objectives. It is probably going to a rough ride - I know a number of groups are ramping up to get their input in.
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I just want that Sheraton tower that was proposed a couple of years ago to be built!
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Well I guess we'll see what happens with the regional plan. Getting back to what you were saying about a Nova Scotia theme; I was thinking about this on my long walk home (all 5 minutes from my office to my condo hehe).

Perhaps instead of a review as part of the regional plan for a design theme, the Nova Scotia Association of Architects could discuss the issue and come to some consensus as to what that would be? Perhaps it could come out of their annual AGM (I see from their website they have them)?

Then when companies go to hire consultants, even if not all architects sign on to the idea, when say the HIAA does an RFP or hires a contractor for design services they could require they design as per whatever is agreed upon by the NSAOA?
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A big Giant Lighthouse is what our airport needs. Nav Canada should redesign the Control Tower to look like one. Boy that would be swell! Forget all that modern stuff, lol.
They could just relocate the airport's rotating beacon from the roof of the terminal building to the tower!
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Rude agents spur some to dodge Halifax
Consultant: Customs 'always an ordeal'
By JEFFREY SIMPSON Provincial Reporter
Tue, Oct 12 - 9:54 AM
The aggressive attitude and rude behaviour of border officials have prompted some frequent travellers to shun flying directly into Halifax when returning home from abroad.

"It’s an unpleasant experience and I try to avoid it," one Halifax business consultant said in an interview.

"It’s consistently the worst place to come back into."

The man, who didn’t want his name published for fear of reprisals from the Canada Border Service Agency, said he flies often to Europe, Asia and the United States for his work and has never encountered such poorly trained officials as at Halifax Stanfield International Airport.

He tries arranging his itinerary so he enters the country in Toronto or Montreal, where he never has problems, he said.

"It’s a consistent prosecutorial attitude," he said about Halifax.

"If you don’t behave in a proper manner or are somehow resentful or show any indication that you haven’t liked their inquisitive attitude, then you’re detained for a search."

He describes the secondary search and interrogation about his travels as like being in "a punishment cell."

The man said he thought he was alone in his troubling experience with officials in Halifax and writing a letter of complaint never occurred to him. But documents released under the Access to Information Act from the Canada Border Services Agency show that other airline passengers arriving in Halifax have endured similar experiences. The written complaints revealed by The Chronicle Herald on Monday prompted dozens of readers to share their frustrating experiences.

"It’s always an ordeal," the business consultant said. "Their management is allowing them to adopt this attitude."

Jodi McLeod, who lives in New Brunswick, said her elderly, wheelchair-bound American in-laws were reduced to tears from the grilling they received from border services agents upon arriving in Halifax in June.

"It broke my heart," McLeod said. "It was so disturbing to them."

Her husband’s parents have owned a house in LaHave for 20 years, but an official still interrogated them about why they were coming to Canada and made nasty comments, telling them they weren’t wanted in the country, she said.

"She made it very clear to them that she had the power to put them back on a plane to the U.S.," McLeod said of the officer.

"She said it was people like ‘them’ that were coming into our country and bleeding our health-care system and our social system."

McLeod and her husband phoned to complain formally to the agency.

"Whoever processed them, in my opinion, needs to go back to the trailer park and get another job," she said.

"Park your politics at home. It was clear she had a complete distaste for Americans."

Linda Mason, of Crouse’s Settlement in Lunenburg County, said her experiences flying home through Halifax also make her want to avoid it.

"They just have this terrible attitude," Mason said. "I’d rather come into Canada through Toronto."

She was upset after being flagged for a secondary inspection upon returning home from New York three years ago. The border official sifted through her prescriptions and asked why she was taking a blood pressure pill.

"I just found it humiliating," Mason said.

"If you say something and your name goes up on a screen and you get flagged, well then, good luck."

Bernd Michaelis, a German who flew into Halifax on a Condor flight with about 200 of his fellow countrymen last year, said the Europeans were shocked to be greeted by two customs agents with a dog who shouted at them to line up against a wall.

"Please understand that German people, especially of the ‘older’ variety — and most of them were — have been marked by the atrocities of the Third Reich and the Cold War and are very, very sensitive to this sort of approach," Michaelis said.


Joel MacDougall, a spokesman for the Canada Border Services Agency, told The Chronicle Herald last week in a written statement that such allegations are taken seriously and every complaint is investigated.

"All CBSA employees are subject to strict standards of conduct," the statement says. "Any breaches are dealt with in accordance with public service standards of discipline . . . up to and including termination."

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‘I’d rather come into Canada through Toronto’
Lunenburg County woman
LINDA MASON

It's stories like this that airlines look for when considering new destinations. This doesn't bode well for YHZ if they are trying to attract new routes. Why would say British Airways or Air France/KLM come to Halifax if their passengers are going to be treated like dirt?
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2010, 4:06 PM
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I don't fly that often (every couple years or so) but from what Ive experienced the personnel at Stanfield are very respectful and act in a professional manner. Now Ft. Lauderdale airport on the other hand is the worst place to fly into.
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I don't fly that often (every couple years or so) but from what Ive experienced the personnel at Stanfield are very respectful and act in a professional manner. Now Ft. Lauderdale airport on the other hand is the worst place to fly into.
I got the impression they were talking about the border security folks who deal with people coming into Canada from the US/Europe - not the CATSA people at security just off the main hall. Those people I've never had a problem with - especially when I had my grandmother travelling with me.

The border security folks react how you react - if you treat them with respect and are nice to them; they will be nice back. But these people who are just mean for the sake of being mean - that's not right.

If this continues; you'll end up driving people to fly internationally from other markets and Halifax's transborder and international services won't grow well.
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Yeah it sounds to me more like a few bad seeds, rather than the whole system being broken.

I travel a lot, including having lived for years at a time outside of Canada, and can definitely agree that I have seen this type of behaviour at airports around the world (hell, I saw a Lufthansa gate agent reach over the desk and start pummeling a traveller once!). It is not unique to Halifax by any stretch! That doesn't excuse what is clearly improper behaviour by some, but I don't think that Halifax in particular has an issue... more likely just the press creating a story.
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This article is right on the mark. Halifax is by far the worst airport in Canada to go through customs at, and it is no secret. Border agents are overly aggressive, it is ridiculously slow despite the staff/passenger ratio. The only airport I've ever seen border agents with dogs search EVERY single person going through customs. And it wasn't a rare occasion - I've seen this happen a number of times.

Despite all the shit that staff at airports like Heathrow and Pearson deal with, they always seem polite and professional. Beyeas - Lufthansa/German airport staff are definitely aggressive as well, but at least they are efficient! Halifax is neither!
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"If you don’t behave in a proper manner or are somehow resentful or show any indication that you haven’t liked their inquisitive attitude, then you’re detained for a search."
I think I see what his problem is.... Everyone knows you don't talk down to the border agents! That's just ridiculous.

As for my experiences, I have found coming through customs in Halifax to be one of the better experiences. Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that I'm from Halifax, and they can see that in my passport, but when I fly home and have to go through customs in Toronto, I find it a much worse experience.

Of course, going through Canadian customs is nothing compared to going through US customs. That can be just plain scary. Although, again, I'd have to say clearing US customs in Halifax is better than doing so elsewhere in my experience.
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I still maintain that it is no worse than other places. I am not denying that there are some potentially horrible border agents in Halifax, but in my experience the rate of that is similar to elsewhere.

I once had a US border agent tell me that he was going to rip up my work visa because why should I come into his country and take jobs from Americans (I refrained from pointing out that the US doesn't have enough people trained to do my job, and in fact the US was benefitting from Canada having paid for 22 years of education only to have me take that training to the US... I somehow felt that logic wasn't one of his strengths!).

I also had a friend of mine who was a foreign graduate student get stopped by US border services and told that it was a privilege not a right to enter the US and unless he personally thanked him for letting him in that he was going to be denied... he refused, and the agent held him back just exactly long enough that he missed his flight.

Halifax doesn't have the monopoly on power hungry border agents.
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This article is right on the mark. Halifax is by far the worst airport in Canada to go through customs at, and it is no secret. Border agents are overly aggressive, it is ridiculously slow despite the staff/passenger ratio. The only airport I've ever seen border agents with dogs search EVERY single person going through customs. And it wasn't a rare occasion - I've seen this happen a number of times.

Despite all the shit that staff at airports like Heathrow and Pearson deal with, they always seem polite and professional. Beyeas - Lufthansa/German airport staff are definitely aggressive as well, but at least they are efficient! Halifax is neither!
I will grant you that Frankfurt is at least efficient... rude, but efficient :-)
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I still maintain that it is no worse than other places. I am not denying that there are some potentially horrible border agents in Halifax, but in my experience the rate of that is similar to elsewhere.

I once had a US border agent tell me that he was going to rip up my work visa because why should I come into his country and take jobs from Americans (I refrained from pointing out that the US doesn't have enough people trained to do my job, and in fact the US was benefitting from Canada having paid for 22 years of education only to have me take that training to the US... I somehow felt that logic wasn't one of his strengths!).

I also had a friend of mine who was a foreign graduate student get stopped by US border services and told that it was a privilege not a right to enter the US and unless he personally thanked him for letting him in that he was going to be denied... he refused, and the agent held him back just exactly long enough that he missed his flight.

Halifax doesn't have the monopoly on power hungry border agents.
Oh, the US ones are the worst... but you can't mess with people who have the power.

They have no understanding of tri-lateral agreements like the NAFTA, or that Canadian companies employ a significant amount of Americans.

The best way to deal with any of these people is to go wayyy up the food chain and don't directly contact confront them.
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I've never had any bad experiences with staff at Halifax airport. I was grilled a little in Vancouver once, but that's their job...

Complaining about the drug-sniffing dogs is even more ridiculous a complaint.


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"Whoever processed them, in my opinion, needs to go back to the trailer park and get another job," she said.
^ sounds like this woman has a superiority complex she cannot seem to contain at the customs counter and the agents are reacting to that.
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New airline for Maritimes

East Coast Airways has announced it will start service to five communities in the Maritime provinces on Nov. 1.

Sample fares

Halifax – Charlottetown $139

Sydney – Halifax $169

Saint John – Halifax $149

Yarmouth – Halifax $179

The new airline is targeting what it calls under-served cities in the three provinces: Charlottetown, Halifax, Yarmouth, N.S., and Sydney, N.S., and Saint John, N.B.

Jay Hasson, the president of operations, said the airline, which is based in Halifax, will use small turboprop planes that can carry 19 passengers. When the service expands, bigger planes will be added.

"We'll be utilizing about five airplanes to service all the cities," Hasson said. "We have daily non-stops and then we will add more airplanes in 2011 for a total of between 17 and 20 aircraft."

Hasson said schedules are designed for the convenience of business customers.

"We've got schedules that will get you out in the morning, not too early, but it'll get you home for suppertime," he said. "We run several times a day to most of our cities."

Joyce MacDougall of the Sydney and Area Chamber of Commerce is pleased to see more competition at the local airport.

"That always drops fares, gives people more options of flight times and makes sure that Sydney Airport is busy," MacDougall said.

Fares for most flights range between $150 and $200
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...rways-584.html
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