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Old Posted Feb 4, 2009, 12:14 PM
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City expected to pay 15 per cent of LRT, advocates estimate

February 04, 2009
Rob Faulkner
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/506997

Local light-rail advocates have an educated guess on how much Hamilton will be asked to pay for a rapid transit system -- 15 per cent.

McMaster math Prof. Nicholas Kevlahan, co-founder of the citizens group Hamilton Light Rail, says the figure is based on tips and talks with staff at the provincial agency Metrolinx.

"The percentage is obviously not an exact figure, but it's something that we put together from various sources, the most public one when (Metrolinx chair) Rob MacIsaac spoke at the chamber of commerce," he said.

Kevlahan said Metrolinx staff at a fall information session told him 15 to 20 per cent of capital costs would be paid by the city. Or Metrolinx will fund a bare-bones system, and Hamilton will pay the rest.

"They are not looking for 50 per cent or one-third. They are looking for a small contribution from Hamilton and it could come as an upfront contribution to the whole project or Hamilton would pay for the extras," Kevlahan said.

It's the first time the public has had an indication -- even if it is only based on various sources -- of what it will be asked to pay for a rapid transit system resulting from Metrolinx's 25-year transit plan for the region.

In October, the city took a united, symbolic step to show support for light rail transit -- but discussion focused on whether Metrolinx would pay all LRT capital costs.

It came amid concern from several councillors that the city should not pay for LRT, and that city staff must report back if Metrolinx will not be paying all capital costs.

The priority for the city, and one of Metrolinx's top jobs, is to get LRT on an east-west B-line from Eastgate Square to McMaster. City staff estimate it will cost $650 million. So, 15 per cent would be $97.5 million for the B-line, or a total of $150 million for the estimated $1-billion bill for both the east-west B-line and north-south A-line on James and Upper James.

But Jill Stephen, temporary director of strategic and environmental planning, said she had no indication from Metrolinx that 15 per cent is their expectation.

In the past, councillors asked city staff how much LRT will cost.

MacIsaac said his agency has no exact figure, but plans to fund "bare-bones" transit lines and says cities would be "prudent" to put money aside.

Stephen said that Hamilton has not included money for design or construction of LRT in the 2009 budget, but has put $500,000 in for studies. The city is waiting to see what Metrolinx decides on the B-line in July, so it will know what and when to plan for.

MacIsaac said he is in talks with cities across the region on the issue, and says details will appear in funding agreements between Metrolinx and municipalities. This spring, he expects to sign the first deals with York and Toronto.

"My view is that there needs to be some consistency across the region," he said, hoping a general funding template will be developed to cover all Metrolinx projects.

Part of Hamilton's bid for LRT is based on its need for economic revitalization, especially the downtown area.

MacIsaac doesn't expect that any city's lack of funding support will see its rapid transit lines downgraded, for example, from rail to buses. He doesn't want to speculate on what fallout there may be if a city refuses to contribute.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2009, 1:06 PM
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i hope the half-mil spent on studies means that there's a bit of real commitment to spending more and doing it right.... and I'm sure that's what the studies will say.
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Has this died a death, do we think?

Or just an absence of recent info? I'm surprised it's not been mentioned once with all of this proposed infrastructure investment.
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The agendas for Feb 20th....
http://www.metrolinx.com/Docs/Agenda...-Feb_20_09.pdf

Check out item 8, I'm sure many would be interested for the B-Line.
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The agendas for Feb 20th....
http://www.metrolinx.com/Docs/Agenda...-Feb_20_09.pdf

Check out item 8, I'm sure many would be interested for the B-Line.
This bit?

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Has this died a death, do we think? Or just an absence of recent info? I'm surprised it's not been mentioned once with all of this proposed infrastructure investment.
Metrolinx is currently conducting a full benefits analysis of the B-Line to determine whether it warrants BRT or LRT. That is expected to be complete by July.
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Metrolinx is currently conducting a full benefits analysis of the B-Line to determine whether it warrants BRT or LRT. That is expected to be complete by July.
How depressing if they pick BRT.
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How depressing if they pick BRT.
I highly doubt that they will. The terms of the full benefits analysis pretty strongly favour LRT over BRT for its far superior demonstrated ability to attract new investment, revitalize downtown neighbourhoods and support the provincial Places to Grow framework.
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I highly doubt that they will. The terms of the full benefits analysis pretty strongly favour LRT over BRT for its far superior demonstrated ability to attract new investment, revitalize downtown neighbourhoods and support the provincial Places to Grow framework.
True, but sometimes the cheaper option seems to beat the better option.
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True, but sometimes the cheaper option seems to beat the better option.
If Metrolinx was simply conducting a business case analysis, that might be the case. However, the full benefits analysis requires a broader scope for evaluating costs and benefits. Frankly, I don't see how they could follow their own guidelines and not conclude that LRT is the better fit. It would contradict their very mandate.
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Lately, i've been thinking that BRT wouldn't be that bad on the A-Line.
I'd be happy with BRT as a compromise.
B-Line should be LRT for sure though.
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Do it right the first time around. Put something in that will last 20+ years. LRT is the only sustainable option. Sustainable infrastructure means in 5 or 10 years time we can add more instead of replacing what we just bought .. 5 or 10 years ago.
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Poverty should spur light rail: City
Socio-economic factors should sway Metrolinx, officials believe

February 20, 2009
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http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/517259

Hamilton believes light-rail transit across the lower city will benefit enough poor and old to give the project higher priority over affluent suburban areas across the Toronto area.

The board of Metrolinx, the Greater Golden Horseshoe transportation planning agency, is meeting today to approve principles of a framework for deciding the order in which its first 15 priority projects will be built. Two are already approved, four had funding approved before Metrolinx came into being and the others are competing for first chance at some of the $11.5 billion promised through the MoveOntario 2020 allocation.

City officials are happy to see the proposed Metrolinx criteria include such social factors as how many low-income and elderly residents would be served by the proposed transit routes. Other criteria include effects on the economy and environment.
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During a committee today Minister John Baird was grilled. They wanted to know why the Tories want approval to spend the $3 billion emergency fund ASAP and Baird wouldn't provide a list of projects. But he said over and over "Metrolinx". So obviously some or all of the $3 million likely going towards Metrolinx's projects.
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During a committee today Minister John Baird was grilled. They wanted to know why the Tories want approval to spend the $3 billion emergency fund ASAP and Baird wouldn't provide a list of projects. But he said over and over "Metrolinx". So obviously some or all of the $3 million likely going towards Metrolinx's projects.
Ignattief also asked today why money wasn't flowing to Hamilton despite the $3 billion fund. (Despite the fact that this hasn't been approved yet and Ignattief refuses t support it.)
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Ignattief also asked today why money wasn't flowing to Hamilton despite the $3 billion fund. (Despite the fact that this hasn't been approved yet and Ignattief refuses t support it.)
All politics. They all know that not a dollar of anything announced in the January budget can be spent until the new fiscal year begins on April 1st.

But I can't help but think this is being all played without a business or game plan. Remember, just 6 months ago during the election Harper et al. was saying everything was fine with the Canadian economy. They were blissfully unaware then. and are equally as clueless on what to do now.
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All politics. They all know that not a dollar of anything announced in the January budget can be spent until the new fiscal year begins on April 1st.

But I can't help but think this is being all played without a business or game plan. Remember, just 6 months ago during the election Harper et al. was saying everything was fine with the Canadian economy. They were blissfully unaware then. and are equally as clueless on what to do now.
I think everyone is either 1) Ignorant and Well-meaning or 2) Know what to do but can't do it because of politics

Massive deficits are known to not work to revitalize economies. The best thing the government can do is 1) investigate the causes of the failure 2) attempt to help people and companies ride out the storm and 3) try to avoid a debt large enough that it ensures permanent deficit. (Throughout the 80's we had an operational surplus but massive fiscal deficits due to interest owed on the debt from the 60's-70's-early 80's and the debt accumulated paying for the interest.

Meanwhile infrastructure should be something financed much more regularly over time and not left to when the government is in dire financial straits.
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Plus John Baird kept saying he couldn't reveal anything because Ontario is still reviewing. So it sounds like they'll be a lot of goodies in the next provincal budget in late March, probably billions towards infrastructure being matched by Ottawa. Likely a good chunk towards Metrolinx.
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Province Talks Up GO/Metrolinx Merger
Ken Mann
3/30/2009

Ontario wants to merge GO Transit with the regional transit agency Metrolinx in a bid to ease commuter gridlock and create jobs.

Transportation Minister Jim Bradley says the merger would allow the province to get projects off the ground sooner and improve service while creating thousands of construction jobs over the next several years.

A long list of projects which have been discussed, include the potential creation of a light rail transit system on both east/west and north/south corridors in Hamilton.

Under the proposed legislation, the government would appoint a new board for the merged company.

Metrolinx chairman Rob MacIsaac and Go Transit chairman Peter Smith will be part of a transition advisory board.
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Former Torstar CEO to oversee GO, Metrolinx merger
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

Toronto — Robert Prichard, the outgoing chief executive officer of Torstar Corp., will oversee the merger of GO Transit and Metrolinx.

The Ontario government plans to unveil legislation later on Monday to merge the rapid transit system with the agency. Mr. Prichard, who announced his departure from Torstar last month, has been named transition adviser for the merger. He will become chief executive officer of the new entity once the merger is complete.

Metrolinx chairman Rob MacIsaac and GO Transit chairman Peter Smith will also serve on the transitional board of directors. The new Metrolinx board will consist of 15 members.

Toronto Mayor David Miller will remain on the Metrolinx board until the merger goes through. At that point, a new board will be appointed, a government source said. No sitting politicians would be appointed to the new board, which is to be made up of of planning and transportation experts.

That move would see an end to the role played Mr. Miller, Mississauga mayor Hazel McCallion and other greater Toronto area municipal politicians, now on the Metrolinx board.

Asked about this possibility in recent weeks, Mr. Miller had strongly criticized the idea, saying that the region's public transportation system would be more accountable under the control of a board of mostly local politicians.

But the Toronto Board of Trade and others have been urging for a Metrolinx board made up of private-sector experts instead of local politicians.

The government says the proposed merger would help get shovels in the ground faster on new transit projects. This would lead to thousands more construction jobs over the coming years.

“Metrolinx has done an excellent job building the agency and preparing a regional transportation plan,” Transportation Minister Jim Bradley said in a statement. “By bringing Metrolinx together with experienced transit-builder GO, we will be able to take transportation plans off the drawing board and into service more quickly.”

In 2007, the B.C. government made a similar controversial move with its Vancouver-region transportation body, TransLink, scrapping a board of local politicians and replacing it with unelected experts. (TransLink must now clear fare increases and other major moves through a new regional mayors' council.) The new TransLink board moved swiftly both to hold its formerly public meetings behind closed doors and to give it self a pay hike, raising its per-meeting stipdend for board members to $1,200 -- six times what the old board received.
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