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Sufjan Stevens has Michigan and Illinois covered, that's for sure.
Apparently the post you quoted has been deleted, but Pittsburgh has been mentioned in a few songs before:


"Sweet Little Sixteen" by Chuck Berry

"I've Been Everywhere" by Hank Snow

"Living In America" by James Brown

"Radiation Vibe" by Fountains Of Wayne

"Trapped In The Drive-Thru" by "Weird Al" Yankovic


Also, The Lemonheads and The Amity Affliction both have songs titled "Pittsburgh," and though "Black And Yellow" by Wiz Khalifa doesn't have Pittsburgh in its lyrics, everybody knows exactly where he's talking about.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2024, 4:30 PM
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Mideast

How about we say that anyplace located in a northeastern/mid-Atlantic state that's not on the east coast is mideast? It could put an end to this absolute fucking bore of a topic.
Interior Northeast. This includes western Pennsylvania, all of upstate New York, and northern New England away from the coast. It might even include western Maryland and the northern third or so of West Virginia, but that's up for reasonable debate.
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Agreed. Ohio can't even agree on itself (we border the South, Midwest, Northeast, Appalachia, and Canada) as there are five sub-states within itself and all think each other as "different" let alone a concept of a broader "Midwest."

I agree the South, followed by New England, have the strongest regional identities. The West can be strange as I've heard some folks from California call Denver "back east." Or is Las Vegas "West Coast?" Hell, is Philadelphia "East Coast" even though their coast is...Camden?

This country is strange.
This is all so subjective, but…

To an extent I agree, but I think the regional identity dwindled somewhat as the country began losing manufacturing (60’s-90’s = bad times for the Midwest) .

To me the Midwest has the whole farm house vibe, with barns, pigs, and the whole Charlotte’s web thing. Then in the big cities it’s all rust belt manufacturing & blue collared, with most of our cities being rough around the edges.

The personality of the people here have often appeared absurdly pleasant, with a potential for tension when discussing politics, sports, or religion. Rural areas seem to be dominated by this mom/grandma apple pie & cookies for the guest sort of vibe. The food is always good here.

I grew up here, but with the family not originally from the Midwest. We see things a bit more like outsiders looking in.
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Apparently the post you quoted has been deleted, but Pittsburgh has been mentioned in a few songs before:


"Sweet Little Sixteen" by Chuck Berry

"I've Been Everywhere" by Hank Snow

"Living In America" by James Brown

"Radiation Vibe" by Fountains Of Wayne

"Trapped In The Drive-Thru" by "Weird Al" Yankovic


Also, The Lemonheads and The Amity Affliction both have songs titled "Pittsburgh," and though "Black And Yellow" by Wiz Khalifa doesn't have Pittsburgh in its lyrics, everybody knows exactly where he's talking about.
Yeah, Pittsburgh is a good fit into a song because you can say "Pittsburgh Pee-Ay".
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2024, 5:19 PM
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In-N-Out and Whataburger are both overrated but they are regionally loved (California and Texas) much like, say, Kewpee's or Swensons is regionally loved in Ohio or Blake's Lotaburger is loved in New Mexico. I will say Culver's is better than In-N-Out and Whataburger...but if I'm on a budget, no one is touching Cook Out.

And honestly, California should ditch the praise of In-N-Out and start showcasing The Habit for a fast-casual burger.

what no mention of black owned backyard burgers? i am dissappoint.

for those who don't know its a southern/central mini chain -- and maaan i loved it -- i see it its still around, but it bailed out of columbus for some reason and that is a shame i was a regular.

it was hella better than the garbage crystal's chain that is for sure (krystals = appalachian trash white castle). i dont think krystals is in ohio thank god.

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Old Posted Mar 22, 2024, 5:37 PM
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If I see "Ontario, CA" I will assume it's the one in California. If I see "Ontario, Ca" or just "Ontario", Ill assume Canada.
when i was a kid in cleveland we wouldn't think of either one.

ontario was a ne ohio discount dept store chain -- and for a time it grew to regional in other states (i see it lasted from the 1950s-1987).

let's go to ontario's.

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There is/was a Back Yard Burger in Lexington and I went once...didn't care for it. If I'm supporting a black-owned burger chain it'll be Slutty Vegan or Fatburger.
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There is/was a Back Yard Burger in Lexington and I went once...didn't care for it. If I'm supporting a black-owned burger chain it'll be Slutty Vegan or Fatburger.
Is Slutty Vegan good? There's one near where I live but I haven't tried it yet.
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Slutty Vegan is damn good. I really don't like the name tho. It isn't cute. Don't really enjoy having to explain to my first grader what slutty means.
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Slutty Vegan is damn good. I really don't like the name tho. It isn't cute. Don't really enjoy having to explain to my first grader what slutty means.
lol. Yeah, I was following the company's story before they expanded out of Atlanta and I never really liked the name either, but it is hard to forget. I haven't yet stopped in to try the food at the one in Fort Greene. Maybe this weekend.
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Slutty Vegan is damn good. I really don't like the name tho. It isn't cute. Don't really enjoy having to explain to my first grader what slutty means.
At some point, the degeneracy in society has to end, right? Just like adult content stores can only be located in certain districts, any business name that contains adult content should be subject to the same restrictions because you should not be forced to explain to your child any sexual content before you and they are ready nor be forced to sacrifice you (and your family’s) ability to go in public freely (to avoid seeing things that will force you to make such an explanation).

It doesn’t matter how good the burger is if the values behind the burger suck.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2024, 9:53 PM
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The personality of the people here have often appeared absurdly pleasant, with a potential for tension when discussing politics, sports, or religion. Rural areas seem to be dominated by this mom/grandma apple pie & cookies for the guest sort of vibe. The food is always good here.
This reminds me of the first time I met my mother-in-law, 25 years ago, here in Los Angeles. At some point, out of the blue, she surprised us with a platter of enchiladas. She's not Latina, btw, but she was born and raised in Ohio! Kind of a Southern California twist on Midwestern hospitality.

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At some point, the degeneracy in society has to end, right? Just like adult content stores can only be located in certain districts, any business name that contains adult content should be subject to the same restrictions because you should not be forced to explain to your child any sexual content before you and they are ready not be forced to sacrifice you (and your family’s) ability to go in public freely (to avoid seeing things that will force you to make such an explanation).

It doesn’t matter how good the burger is if the values behind the burger suck.
"Slutty Vegan" is in bad taste, to be sure. I would never name a business something trashy like that. However, I disagree with your call for our shared government to use its police powers to impose your particular desire to ban or severely restrict trashy business names. The First Amendment exists to protect unpleasant speech, including trashy stuff, from government censorship. There are exceptions for incendiary and obscene speech, and I don't see "Slutty Vegan" fitting into either category.
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This reminds me of the first time I met my mother-in-law, 25 years ago, here in Los Angeles. At some point, out of the blue, she surprised us with a platter of enchiladas. She's not Latina, btw, but she was born and raised in Ohio! Kind of a Southern California twist on Midwestern hospitality.


"Slutty Vegan" is in bad taste, to be sure. I would never name a business something trashy like that. However, I disagree with your call for our shared government to use its police powers to impose your particular desire to ban or severely restrict trashy business names. The First Amendment exists to protect unpleasant speech, including trashy stuff, from government censorship. There are exceptions for incendiary and obscene speech, and I don't see "Slutty Vegan" fitting into either category.
I’m not suggesting that they can’t name their business “Slutty Vegan” just that they should be restricted in where they locate.

This is also similar to how we handle mature content on the television and in the theater: we don’t restrict what you can say, but we do restrict when you can say it, ratings for content, what venues can play mature and/or adult films and when. And, frankly, this is something that would be best handled at the local level (due to this policy being zoning based), so our “shared government” is irrelevant. The current Supreme Court, if any conservative city decided to test this hypothesis and then get sued by some liberal group like the ACLU would almost certainly side with (correctly) the city.

It isn’t as if I am suggesting some radical new power of government. It’s something we’ve been doing forever.
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I think there was a Backyard Burger in Waco around 2000 or so. I remember they also had a Panda Express either next door or in the same building, and it was the first time I had seen either of those chains.

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At some point, the degeneracy in society has to end, right? Just like adult content stores can only be located in certain districts, any business name that contains adult content should be subject to the same restrictions because you should not be forced to explain to your child any sexual content before you and they are ready not be forced to sacrifice you (and your family’s) ability to go in public freely (to avoid seeing things that will force you to make such an explanation).

It doesn’t matter how good the burger is if the values behind the burger suck.
For what it's worth, I sort of agree that naming a restaurant chain "Slutty Vegan" with a giant ass sign on a public road is trashy. I thought the same thing after seeing a place in Seattle called "Biscuit Bitch". Like really? I wonder what a court would rule if a city refused to grant a sign permit to one of these places because their name was vulgar. If it would pass the 1st amendment or not. Cities do have the ability to regulate sexually oriented businesses and by extension their signage which might be why there are no giant flashing neon dildos looming over the interstate, but on the other hand sign ordinances are hard for them to enforce and the supreme court has ruled in favor of all sorts of challenges. It's very hard to say, I am not a lawyer.

However, don't want to go on a tangent, but I disagree with your general "degeneracy in society" comment. Nobody sees it coming, but I think society is actually at risk of moving back in the opposite direction towards Puritanism/Victorian conformity as a result of the ability for modern tech to enforce it. Smart devices like phones that you have in your pocket right now can verify the identity of anyone at any time, and they can also use AI to identify and filter any kind of content. Right now there are a bunch of laws pending in congress/senate about regulating content minors can access on the internet. A lot of it is about porn that was always restricted, but some of these laws go way further. At the same time, I, a childless adult, have only sort of recently noticed how nearly everything that is relevant and entertaining including a lot of very tame things on Netflix and other platforms are rated MA. It's kind of unnecessary if you ask me, I suspect most parents ignore those ratings because they seem to have been assigned by people whose values are out of step with mainstream culture. But it's only a matter of time before parental controls are made mandatory unless you identify yourself as an adult, and it's only a matter of time before people's phones use AI to moderate their own communications and spy on them.

Where I am going with this, is that as a kid/teenager of the transitional era when the internet was just getting started, while porn was much less common or accessible and the general tone of society was far more conservative in dress, language, etc, there was also no mechanism to stop me from watching TV shows or R rated movies or having songs with explicit lyrics either, or having a picture of a woman in a bikini, or something like that. Or for teenagers from getting in trouble or whatever. And yet little to no harm ever came out of that. It was part of growing up and in retrospect may have served a purpose

But in the near future, TV's are going to use facial recognition, lidar, and AI to know if a 16 year old is trying watch such risque and dangerous adult content as....The Simpsons?... and AI is going to scan all their text messages so they better not be to the opposite sex, etc. It's going to be invasive in a way that is unnatural and weird even compared to eras like the 1950s. Thankfully I am now an adult, but still.

For people in countries like Malaysia or Russia it's going to suck even more. Even adults who have a sexy picture of their wife, well some guy with a cane is on his way right now. The morality police will surely get Microsoft to hand over what their Copilot AI scans in all their files, I bet you didn't realize that coming soon in Windows 11 an AI assistant is now summarizing and learning from anything you have saved on your device including photos, right? I hope you don't get any ideas about democracy in some of these countries...

Both the right and left are becoming more nanny-state friendly. I feel like the opinions along the lines of "mind your own business" or "personal freedoms" are seen less and less.

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I’m not suggesting that they can’t name their business “Slutty Vegan” just that they should be restricted in where they locate.
Right, you feel that your personal distaste for trashy (but not obscene or incendiary) business names should be codified in law and imposed on businesses like "Slutty Vegan" through the government's police powers. You feel that businesses with names you find distasteful should be shunted off to isolated parts of town where nobody like you will see them, and they will likely go bankrupt. Nanny state much?

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Bad examples. First, use of the word "slutty" isn't restricted in any way on television, radio, or in the movies because it is not obscene. If there's no basis for restricting its use on public airwaves, there's no basis for restricting its use in business signage.

Second, certain types of businesses like those selling or showing obscene materials are indeed restricted by local zoning laws to areas that are not proximate to schools and such--but Slutty Vegan is selling food, not obscene materials.

I just can't buy what you're selling here. It is too censorious.
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Yeah not a fan of the business's name but even less of a fan of government legislating morality and restricting where they can operate because a cross section of society might find the name objectionable.
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They lost me at "vegan".

Not "slutty".

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...so...uh...maybe I should've just said Fatburger?

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Is Slutty Vegan good? There's one near where I live but I haven't tried it yet.
As Crawford correctly stated, it's damn good and I'm not a vegan-type of person.
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They lost me at "vegan".

Not "slutty".

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It doesn’t matter how good the burger is if the values behind the burger suck.
I disagree... I don't give a poop about the burger's values if it's yummy in my tummy.


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They lost me at "vegan".

Not "slutty".

Vegan or non-vegan... as long as they're slutty, I'm a fan.
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