LeBreton Flats 2.0 (RendezVous LeBreton) | Cancelled

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by JHikka

This sort of rhetoric has no place on this forum, at least IMO.

Probably better off avoiding people's personal lives whether speculating or not.

Well, if he's not drinking then good on him. And if he is then I will be the first to call him out. He wants to go on TV begging Sens fans for a liver (and that's exactly what he did and got) then he deserves a bit of public scrutiny if there's any suggestion he might not be living up to his end of the bargain. Sure, probably not the right forum though.

Any guesses when we might see the first shovel in the ground for Lebreton? Trinity?

I'm guessing 3-4 years at at least 2

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Oh, I know full well where the City of Ottawa boundaries are. Anything beyond the Greenbelt isn't really Ottawa, IMO

OMG! That is one of the most arrogant things I have read on this forum. One can argue the wisdom of our city boundaries, but to disown the parts of the city you don't like is elitism. Let me guess, if you lived in Toronto, you would say anything beyond the GTA isn't really part of Canada?

[lrt's friend]

In order for Lebreton to be successful, people have to live there. We are finally learning how forcing people out of downtown 50 or 60 years ago first for surface parking lots and then sterile second class office blocks was a failure.

We have also learned that suburban office parks such as Tunney's Pasture are far from people places. Too spread out and car oriented.

I get nervous on how a scattered public development on Lebreton Flats may become yet another disaster that will repel people rather than attract them. Just think how our central public library, whether at the planned location or at Pimisi Station will not in anyway serve its purpose if its surrounded by nothingness or the existing or similar sterile development.

I found the following linked video inspiring, something that the latest news on Lebreton is not. In fact, even earlier comments from our mayor about the cost of public places at Lebreton left me with thoughts of more sterile unwelcoming locations that you and I would never want to go to. We need more planners with the vision presented in this video, something desparately needed in Ottawa, where mediocrity seems to be the norm.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7fRIGphgtk

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by roger1818

OMG! That is one of the most arrogant things I have read on this forum. One can argue the wisdom of our city boundaries, but to disown the parts of the city you don't like is elitism. Let me guess, if you lived in Toronto, you would say anything beyond the GTA isn't really part of Canada?

Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by roger1818

OMG! That is one of the most arrogant things I have read on this forum. One can argue the wisdom of our city boundaries, but to disown the parts of the city you don't like is elitism. Let me guess, if you lived in Toronto, you would say anything beyond the GTA isn't really part of Canada?

Please note the point being made, that such an important public amenity, even if privately owned, should be much more centrally located. One of faults of the CTC is that it is surrounded by highways and parking lots. It is impossible for the city to fully celebrate a playoff run, like two years ago, with this kind of environment. It literally repels non-ticket holders, who may buy tickets to the next game. Maybe, it was necessary to bring NHL hockey to Ottawa 25 years ago, but to move the team to the next level, we need a more central, and a inviting location.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

Maybe, but it is just as insulting. Those of us in the suburbs pay taxes to the same city as those who can afford to live in central Ottawa.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Please note the point being made, that such an important public amenity, even if privately owned, should be much more centrally located. One of faults of the CTC is that it is surrounded by highways and parking lots. It is impossible for the city to fully celebrate a playoff run, like two years ago, with this kind of environment. It literally repels non-ticket holders, who may buy tickets to the next game. Maybe, it was necessary to bring NHL hockey to Ottawa 25 years ago, but to move the team to the next level, we need a more central, and a inviting location.

I don’t disagree with you. The current location isn’t good and having it surrounded by a giant parking lot makes it even worse. I was excited about the new location (even though it would be further from me) because I believed it would make going to games more fun and be better for both the team and the city.

It is just comments like “Anything beyond the Greenbelt isn't really Ottawa,” really pushes my buttons. We need to come together as a city, not build walls and drive each other apart.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

I'm guessing 3-4 years at at least 2

I’m pretty sure that project is vapourware.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by roger1818

OMG! That is one of the most arrogant things I have read on this forum. One can argue the wisdom of our city boundaries, but to disown the parts of the city you don't like is elitism. Let me guess, if you lived in Toronto, you would say anything beyond the GTA isn't really part of Canada?

Yes, it is arrogant and elitist. Also pretty much the norm, in my experience.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I don’t disagree with you. The current location isn’t good and having it surrounded by a giant parking lot makes it even worse. I was excited about the new location (even though it would be further from me) because I believed it would make going to games more fun and be better for both the team and the city.

It is just comments like “Anything beyond the Greenbelt isn't really Ottawa,” really pushes my buttons. We need to come together as a city, not build walls and drive each other apart.

Which is why I qualified the statement with "in my opinion". You certainly don't have to agree with it.

[Multi-modal]

Honestly, at this point the NCC should maybe keep a couple parcels to be developed later into national monuments or something... then transfer Lebreton Flats to the Canada Lands Company and get out of the way. Canada Lands Company knows how to get things developed. Something like plans for Les Bassins du Nouveau Havre in Montreal would be fine.

[waterloowarrior]

Sens are saying they had no idea Trinity had filed the planning applications for LeBreton Flats

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...921453?cmp=rss

[shawkr]

Originally Posted by roger1818

OMG! That is one of the most arrogant things I have read on this forum. One can argue the wisdom of our city boundaries, but to disown the parts of the city you don't like is elitism. Let me guess, if you lived in Toronto, you would say anything beyond the GTA isn't really part of Canada?

Kanata belongs to Ottawa the Metropolis.

Kanata does not belong to Ottawa the City.

Both statements are true pre- and post-amalgamation.

[J.OT13]

If everything the lawsuit claims is true, it starts to get pretty hard to blame Melnyk for the failure. And most of it, it seems, could easily be proven by pulling up a few documents, emails and other communications. Regardless, I don't see the NCC, and especially Watson, working with Melnyk on any other project, even if his complaints are legitimate.

[J.OT13]

As for the "is Kanata part of Ottawa debate", it's worth noting that when the Palladium was built, it was not part of Ottawa. Even today, Canada Post sues the old municipalities as identifiers. Each suburb has its own identity, suburban and urban Councillors often clash, Kanata is semi-independent with its high-tech jobs and Orleans has been crying for years for Federal jobs to move out of Ottawa into Orleans.

We should be united, but we are not. And that's the fault of local politicians mostly.

[lrt's friend]

I knew the Bayview plan was going to compromise what was being done on Lebreton Flats, especially the scale of the Bayview project, the largest ever built in the city. Did nobody see this problem coming?

[J.OT13]

I saw it coming. I was in denial, but I saw it coming. Trinity probably should have put that and the Gladstone proposal on hold, at least until the arena was built.

[shawkr]

I'm still a little foggy on how Melnyk is harmed in all this. Does he have a direct financial interest in the residential developments? I thought his investment was in the arena.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I saw it coming. I was in denial, but I saw it coming. Trinity probably should have put that and the Gladstone proposal on hold, at least until the arena was built.

I think Trinity probably knew from the beginning that the math for Lebreton wasn’t going to work and continued to focus on their own project.

[Richard Eade]

If LeBreton was supposed to be such a ‘People Friendly’ area, how come the City built a WALL across it?



(Of course, that is a rhetorical question.)

If the City had been serious about encouraging LeBreton to become a 'People Place', it should have built Booth Street upon a porous viaduct. Perhaps there could have been artisan stalls in some of the arches. You know, once it becomes a 'People Place'.