Homicide stats in Canadian Cities - Page 117

Darkoshvilli · #**2321** Posted **Dec 27, 2014, 11:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Toronto is at 56 right now. .

Which is exactly double what Montreal has right now. Two million people.

begratto · #**2322** Posted **Dec 28, 2014, 12:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by vid

Thunder Bay is now at 11. TBPS's service area has 114,091 people, so this gives us a homicide rate of 9.64/100,000.

Wow. That's insanely high in a Canadian context. Montreal would be at 200 homicides if it had Thunder Bay's rate; Toronto would be at 280. They're at 28 and 56, respectively.

vid · #**2323** Posted **Dec 28, 2014, 5:30 AM**

Yeah, we rank in the top 35 highest homicide rates in the US and Canada right now. We're about where Bakersfield, California was in 2012.

I don't think any Canadian CMA has had a homicide rate this high? Maybe Montreal on one or two occasions in the 80s when they had 100+ in a year?

theman23 · #**2324** Posted **Dec 28, 2014, 7:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by begratto

Wow. That's insanely high in a Canadian context. Montreal would be at 200 homicides if it had Thunder Bay's rate; Toronto would be at 280. They're at 28 and 56, respectively.

Its why year over year trends are more important in tbs case.

Darkoshvilli · #**2325** Posted **Dec 28, 2014, 4:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by vid

I don't think any Canadian CMA has had a homicide rate this high? Maybe Montreal on one or two occasions in the 80s when they had 100+ in a year?

In 1989 when Montreal had 103 homicides the rate was 5.85/100k.

vid · #**2326** Posted **Dec 28, 2014, 4:49 PM**

Haha, wow. Then Thunder Bay definitely has a record for highest homicide rate every recorded in a CMA in Canada.

Rusty van Reddick · #**2327** Posted **Dec 28, 2014, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by vid

Yeah, we rank in the top 35 highest homicide rates in the US and Canada right now. We're about where Bakersfield, California was in 2012.

I don't think any Canadian CMA has had a homicide rate this high? Maybe Montreal on one or two occasions in the 80s when they had 100+ in a year?

Since 1981, the highest murder rate in a Canadian city was in Ottawa, yes Ottawa, with a rate of 6.66 per 100k in 1985.

I don't have composite stats for all major Canadian cities prior to 1981 but have the record for Calgary: It was 7.3 per 100k, in 1978. 37 murders in a city of 505,000.

I suspect that you broke the record in Thunder Bay this year, but I don't know what other cities' records are before 1981, and it's completely possible that they, like Calgary, had higher murder rates in the 1970s than they have today. At any rate you can say that TB has the highest rate for a (major) Canadian city over the last 33 years.

Acajack · #**2328** Posted **Dec 29, 2014, 2:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by drizzo_613

I know this is homicide thread, but I'd thought it might be worth noting that Ottawa has seen a huge increase in shootings past few years. Not as many murders this year however.

This was posted in Ottawa sun after yesterday's outlet mall shooting.

Shooting incidents in Ottawa, by year

* 2014: 46

* 2013: 30

* 2012: 32

* 2011: 23

* 2010: 18

* 2009: 19

-- courtesy Ottawa Police Guns and Gangs Section

This is for Ottawa. The numbers are higher if Gatineau is included.

Ottawa really needs to crack down on this. Once it gets out of control it's a lot harder to bring things back to normal.

Gatineau hasn't had an inordinate amount of shootings BTW. Though our murder rate is often slightly higher than Ottawa's. We have a lot of domestic murders in Gatineau for some reason.

drizzo_613 · #**2329** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 4:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Ottawa really needs to crack down on this. Once it gets out of control it's a lot harder to bring things back to normal.

Cracking down or not, I doubt it will slow down anytime soon.

2 more people shot today in 2 separate shootings.
http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/12/29/...owntown-ottawa

that being said, our homicide rate seems to have dropped this year.

kwoldtimer · #**2330** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 4:47 AM**

Fortunately, Ottawans are poor shots.

Acajack · #**2331** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 1:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Fortunately, Ottawans are poor shots.

It's a new thing for them I guess. Lack of experience.

1overcosc · #**2332** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 2:48 PM**

The increase in shootings is due to an increase in gang activity. The only effective way to combat gangs is through social & economic methods not law enforcement ones. More youth diversion programs, better social services, and fewer gaps in the social safety net & welfare systems. Changes at the provincial level are going to help over the medium term. Not too sure about the municipal level.

Acajack · #**2333** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 3:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

The increase in shootings is due to an increase in gang activity. The only effective way to combat gangs is through social & economic methods not law enforcement ones. More youth diversion programs, better social services, and fewer gaps in the social safety net & welfare systems. Changes at the provincial level are going to help over the medium term. Not too sure about the municipal level.

You're right that the long-term permanent solution lies there, but in the short-term there is a duty for them to everything in their power to keep the city safe.

I am not a right-wing law and order kind of guy but shooting guns at people is not acceptable behaviour that should be tolerated in any way and should be cracked down on hard, and I say this regardless of how difficult an upbringing or socialization someone has had.

kwoldtimer · #**2334** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 3:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

You're right that the long-term permanent solution lies there, but in the short-term there is a duty for them to everything in their power to keep the city safe.

I am not a right-wing law and order kind of guy but shooting guns at people is not acceptable behaviour that should be tolerated in any way and should be cracked down on hard, and I say this regardless of how difficult an upbringing or socialization someone has had.

Agreed. It will be interesting to see how "the system" deals with these latest shootings, assuming those involved refuse all cooperation with the police. If they ever do arrest suspects, will they be convicted? Will sentences act as a deterrent? Will deportations follow, where possible?

Xelebes · #**2335** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 6:10 PM**

The Edmonton area has seen a freakish spike today. At least four suspicious murders are being investigated and a blown up cafe in Fort Saskatchewan. Four separate incidents but the RCMP and the EPS are looking into whether or not any of the four are related.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...aths-1.2886384

DizzyEdge · #**2336** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 8:19 PM**

up to 9 people dead now in the Edmonton/Ft Saskatchewan investigation.

Coldrsx · #**2337** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 8:37 PM**

Crazy shit... All seem to be related.

Airboy · #**2338** Posted **Dec 30, 2014, 8:48 PM**

The murder on Monday is related aperently. 7 family members in one house and a burnt out SUV in strathcona county.

I was saying we were having a quieter year but this is as bad as it gets.

Coldrsx · #**2339** Posted **Dec 31, 2014, 12:02 AM**

Worst mass killingsince 1956.

SignalHillHiker · #**2340** Posted **Dec 31, 2014, 12:06 AM**

A young couple, both in their 20s, were found dead in a car in a lovers lane in suburban St. John's.

The police said the deaths are not suspicious, which suggests it was CO poisoning or something, but the grapevine suggests it was a murder/suicide.

http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=51712