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Old Posted Jun 30, 2008, 10:29 PM
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^ gonna be an uphill battle at this moment it seems. Articles I've read the last few days makes it sound like every airline is looking at the gulf coast from Mobile to Panama City as "ideal" targets to drop flights and/or service in this fuel inspired situation. Kinda scary.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2008, 10:41 PM
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It would be a long timeline though... more people can fill larger planes that will make money going to places like NY and DC.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2008, 10:58 PM
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I wonder if Boeing protested American Eagle's flight from Mobile to Chicago and that is why it is being dropped?
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2008, 11:07 PM
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Boeing is headquartered in Chicago... hmm...

Apparently every North Gulf Coast city outside of New Orleans lost service to Chicago.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2008, 11:43 PM
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As much as I was kidding....I wouldn't put it beyond the powers that be to further illustrate the area isn't ready for the big time in their opinion.

Then again, I take "cynic" to the next level most of the time.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2008, 11:58 PM
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The more I think about the GAO ruling on the tanker contract, the more I think it was somehow a backlash against buying a "European" plane although NG and Airbus would put the plant in AMERICA. This also includes Alabama's supposed "inability" to put pieces of metal together.
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^It's probably because he is doing an AWFUL job with Mobile Regional.

We are among the top 3 untapped markets for service to New York and Washington and among the highest grossing routes on a per mile basis in Delta and Northwest's systems.

What does this mean? We need competition to drive down prices, which will bring more people back to using MOB and get new airlines with more non-stops.
Marc Pelham was director of the Brookley Complex not Mobile Regional, which is why I'm confused about Bay Haas firing him...??
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 12:21 AM
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Marc Pelham was director of the Brookley Complex not Mobile Regional, which is why I'm confused about Bay Haas firing him...??
I did not know that... I thought it was a mutual directorship. It does seem weird for him to be fired now and makes one wonder if there is something bad going on in the Authority.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 12:36 AM
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The more I think about the GAO ruling on the tanker contract, the more I think it was somehow a backlash against buying a "European" plane although NG and Airbus would put the plant in AMERICA.
No doubt about it.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 1:10 AM
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The more I think about the GAO ruling on the tanker contract, the more I think it was somehow a backlash against buying a "European" plane although NG and Airbus would put the plant in AMERICA. This also includes Alabama's supposed "inability" to put pieces of metal together.
Go sift thru the articles on this anti-EADS site by Washington military complex advisors to see what and where the power lies (and the basis of my negative post that we wouldn't get the tanker a week before we didn't). This is all about the foreign nature of Airbus and the issues that surround it....

http://tankerblog.blogspot.com/

Now I'll admit they have some very valid points. For one, we probably wouldn't be in this situation of only one domestic company capable of delivery if not the giant ongoing EU government subsidies that built AirBus to what it is (and drove US manuf. workers out of business) in the first place. And the same thing is happening to our manufacturing on all fronts all over the world. Foreign governments are targeting US industries, already vulnerable to cheaper labor costs and less environmental restrictions abroad, and doubling the hurt by pouring billions into rendering the US choice completely uncompetitive.

So it is "neat" that we get back steel jobs in Mobile that were once in Allentown or Birmingham as an example. But we get them back at the loss of ownership of the billions in profits as a nation. That isn't something to scoff at. It is a weakening of control of the industry and influence on the world. The auto ordeal of the past 50 years isn't quite as hard to swallow for most folks because people can point "hands on" to the crap produced in Detroit for 30 years and the unbending unions that forced things to get to this point. But, in reality, we have given up control and are happy to just assemble someone else’s rise to power. Check my next Pensacola post (in a few minutes) for another hammer to fall in the wiping out of US manufacturing and ownership.

But as far as the tanker goes, I think the past is the past. There is no competition for Boeing on this scale in the US. That can't be undone. So we either decide that all contracts of that scale go to Boeing (while also further limiting our ability to buy outside the States in many critical areas that are simply gone...never to return) or we accept the reality and buy the best we can buy. There will not be new domestic textile mills springing up all over the South and in Monroeville again. It is gone until we are willing to work for $.40/day again (quickly getting there). There will not be new domestic steel, aerospace, computer manufacturing plants springing up across the nation unless some individual stumbles onto something truly revolutionary here. We've got to deal with it. Either tariff/excise tax/ban the world at this late date and further isolate this country or deal with it and try to redevelop the skills that made us a power in the first place. I think we have to deal with it as macro economics will force it to be.

If it becomes obvious that this tanker decision is based on protectionism, there will be many losers beyond the Mobile area. First will be Boeing (I bet they didn't think anyone would say that after a win). But, having full knowledge they run in a vacuum from this point forward with no real competition....they, by rule, will become even more fat, even more lazy, less efficient, less capable. In short, fully susceptible to being sold to foreign interests in 15 years. Second, the US military loses as they are forced to buy this crap over and over. Third, obviously the taxpayer loses as we fund buying this overpriced crap. Finally, the US citizen loses in general as our military could no longer be a safe bet to beat Canada.

In summary, we've made some bad decisions to lead to a situation that the best technology can be conceived, stolen, given away, built and financed by foreign companies. But it wasn't all in malice to the US citizen. Remember when we were trying to bring the rest of the world up to our standards to expand markets and also because we had morale dictate to share the wealth of capitalism with the far corners? Well, we've overdone it maybe. But we should be praised, not laughed at for it. A different philosophy could easily have kept a world groveling for the smallest scraps and under our foot. Even in our personal losses, I feel like we've done the morally right thing over the decades spreading this capability to the formerly least capable and most desperate people on the planet. Maybe I didn't envision all the pains that come along with it though. The environmental damage, the competition for limited resources. But especially the lack of appreciation. That sorta sucks. I guess if it ends tomorrow the US will be judged for all the negatives and not the unprecedented giving and sharing.

Our "solutions" in the next election bother me a bit. Stronger unions. More protectionism. In short, more guarantees that US companies will have to either dissolve or ship off for lack of competitive legs. Automaker-like pensions aren't going to help keep boat builders in the US (notice I say boat and not ship...most ship builders are already in China).
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 3:23 AM
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Not going to comment much on the tanker, but I will say any protectionism on defense contracts from our government is going to have a terrible backlash from the EU and other markets. Outside of large body planes, US defense contractors provide most of Europe (and most of our other "friends" in the world) with its advanced defense products. If the U.S. shuts out EADS on this deal, expect to see some reciprocal protectionism coming from the EU - and possibly a little heat on our military bases there.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 3:49 AM
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To play devils advocate (and believe me I'm so pro Mobile tanker I can't express it enough) the anti-tanker blog linked above mentioned a news bit that is a bit striking if true. The French were set to announce they too had bought Mobile assembled tankers (damn....even more money for us) at the England Air show during the July 14-20th event. A lot of our local leaders will be there. Santa Rosa County, FL reps will be there to try to get offshute business or whatever even if the tanker falls thru. (Congrats to them for committing to economic development)

But with the GAO decision, the French won't be making that announcement now. And that hurts to me and all us locals. Even a harder loss for us than you thought probably. But I have to admit the anti-tanker people make a good point....the fact that the French were ready to announce this with no bidding process is proof they didn't allow Boeing or anyone else to compete. So you could say that AirBus has no argument here. But you and I know it'll be different when applied to the US.
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I really think the reason why the guy got fired was all those damn potholes in the roads of the Brookley Complex!! These roads have more bumps than my ex-girlfriends a** !
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 4:06 AM
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^ I missed out on scoring a Junior Miss chick again this year (20 years straight)...so I'm taking it out on you guys with pessimism!
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 4:19 AM
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To play devils advocate (and believe me I'm so pro Mobile tanker I can't express it enough) the anti-tanker blog linked above mentioned a news bit that is a bit striking if true. The French were set to announce they too had bought Mobile assembled tankers (damn....even more money for us) at the England Air show during the July 14-20th event. A lot of our local leaders will be there. Santa Rosa County, FL reps will be there to try to get offshute business or whatever even if the tanker falls thru. (Congrats to them for committing to economic development)

But with the GAO decision, the French won't be making that announcement now. And that hurts to me and all us locals. Even a harder loss for us than you thought probably. But I have to admit the anti-tanker people make a good point....the fact that the French were ready to announce this with no bidding process is proof they didn't allow Boeing or anyone else to compete. So you could say that AirBus has no argument here. But you and I know it'll be different when applied to the US.
That's one big ugh.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 1:51 PM
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It's all just SAD! The competition in this country has dropped severely over the past several years, as consumers stopped spending a lot of money on "luxeries" Foriegn players aren't bad for our market, they actually help raise the competition. Look at the automobile industry. Name all the FORIEGN cars you can, then name all the domestic ones...see! And it's not flailing...well, not THAT bad
Anyways, I just think that it's this damn "Anti-Terrorism/Extra-Nationalism" attitude that going to cause a LOT of grief for this country.
However, I'm not mad, or upset that Boeing "won"
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 2:11 PM
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What's all this I have heard about a new restaurant in the Gayfers building, anyone?
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 8:53 PM
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Boeing to pay $3 million fine for exceeding limits on purchases from foreign supplier

NEW YORK (Associated Press) - Boeing has agreed to pay a $3 million fine for exceeding value limits on the purchases of parts from foreign suppliers for its military products.

Boeing spokesman Tim Neale says the Chicago-based company discovered the violations and reported them to the State Department.

The airplane manufacturer violated manufacturing license agreements required under federal regulations governing international arms sales.

The suppliers were in Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, Israel, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria.

Neale says Boeing has been working closely with the State Department to tighten its procedures. Boeing also agreed to report its progress to the State Department over the next three years.



Why doesn't Boeing get criticized for using foreign parts, but NG does?

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Old Posted Jul 1, 2008, 10:10 PM
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Please note that none of the suppliers were from FRANCE. Over at the Free Republic site, I learned that NG/EADS will supply our "warfighters" with tankers that have a WHITE SURRENDER FLAG already fluttering from the fueling boom.

Muskavon, I enjoyed your thoughtful post at 1:10 very much.
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