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Old Posted Oct 7, 2013, 1:22 AM
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Pretty sure it will be the Cumberland McDonald's that is getting rebuilt, they've been planning that for a long time and all the other ones have been updated recently.

The expanding taco chain might be Taco Del Mar. They've been expanding quite rapidly in Canada. Definitely can't be Taco Bell, I tried that for the first time in Vancouver last week (I was curious) and it's just terrible.
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The expanding taco chain might be Taco Del Mar. They've been expanding quite rapidly in Canada. Definitely can't be Taco Bell, I tried that for the first time in Vancouver last week (I was curious) and it's just terrible.
Taco Bell isn't bad... it's just not good. It fits a specific demographic that isn't over serviced in Thunder Bay right now - that being late night after-bar party goers (Even with 4 McDonald's, 2 Wendy's, and BK... they're all burgers and fries though)

Both restaurants (Taco del Mar and Taco Bell) aren't usually built as stand-alone restaurants. Taco Bell is usually found in the same building as KFC while Taco del Mar is built alongside Subway. Subway/Taco del Mar tends to take up twice as much of a footprint than the usual subway. I can't think of a Subway location in the city that has room for that sort of expansion. All the stand alone Taco Bells that I'm aware of closed their doors years ago (Including the one that is now the Arby's on Red River Rd) due to either franchise or location viability issues. I'm not saying that neither could be built on their own, it's just somewhat unusual based upon what I've seen.

It would be nice if it were going to be Taco Ball and that meant that the 3 KFC locations in the city were going to be completely renovated/rebuilt. One of the things that TBay could use is a drive-thru KFC/Taco Bell. It could also use a BK in either the Intercity or County Fair area but that's beside the point.

It'd also be nice to have a 5 Guys in TBay but I digress...
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2013, 10:41 PM
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Taco Bell failed epically here, what has changed since then? The Red River Road location last 3 weeks before it was closed, they got 20 customers on opening day and they advertised quite a bit. On the other hand, there are a couple new Subway locations being built...
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I am thinking the Subway on Waterloo could also have one of these taco franchises. The two came up in the same conversation. There is definitely enough room for both at that location. That area is slightly under-serviced as far as eating spots are concerned. Not for long though, with Hortons there and Robins up the road, KFC nearby, Denny's going in, Subway, and now maybe one of these taco places.

Forgot to mention that bidding closed for work to the north entrance into Victoriaville. I was down there the other day for the first time in a long time, and the courthouse has completely changed that side of Victoriaville. I think the courthouse was a hole in the ground when I last ventured to that spot.
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In a sense the failing of Taco Bell can be seen as progress. The city needs something along the lines of a Chipotle Mexican Grill - it serves a mid market demographic, maybe on the corner of arthur and the expressway where attracting the more affluent crowd (fast food meals here can run $20)
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I remember a Mexican food vendor at a couple events-- I think they had plans to eventually move up to a full restaurant the way Thai Kitchen did. No indication as to timeframe.
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Taco Bell failed epically here, what has changed since then?
The university-aged population has grown substantially over the last 10 years. Thunder Bay as a whole has matured and stabilized dramatically over the last decade. 10 years ago the former Crest site on Red River was a dirt lot, the BK on Memorial was closing, the movie theatres were shut down, much of the population was holding tight to the hope that the mills would come back stronger than ever, there was no medical school, the new knowledge based economy was just a catch-phrase that some people hoped would represent the future.... just to name a few things.

Many of the former franchise restaurants in Thunder Bay failed more from poor ownership than a market that could not support them: Perkins, Burger King, East Side Mario's, Humpty's just to name a few.

Thunder Bay today is turning (Or already has turned) that corner.

A new fast food restaurant would have a much better chance for survival today than 10 years ago, that's all that I'm saying, provided the franchisees aren't complete idiots. Not all the new franchises to the city have failed, after all: Pita Pit and Mongo's are surviving still.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2013, 7:06 PM
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Many other fast food franchises could thrive in Thunder Bay. Taco Bell is not one of them. Both locations died a quick death (Red River Road and the one in Silvercity Cinema) and left a bad taste with the locals here. Only way could see one that would a slim chance of surviving would be to have it in or near the university where students from out of town might frequent it and it could build up from there.

I think a different fast food 'Mexican' restaurant besides Taco Bell could survive and compete with Taco Time.

I agree with super39 that a more sit down mid level 'Mexican' restaurant could thrive here.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2013, 9:55 PM
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There seems to be no end to the expansion of the fast food industry. It seems one or two outlets are always moving in at once. I guess no body cooks anymore, or has time to cook, or knows how to, or all of the above. Never surprises me when another chain comes to town, or when an existing chain opens another location. There has been an explosion in the number of food trucks in town this year too. I see a new one every week.

A local developer is looking to put multi-residential units at the corner of Hilldale and Wardrope again. I don't know the scope of the possible project, but there is something under consideration. A plan in the past did not go ahead after a combination of neighbours complaining, the city demanding too much, and the developer eventually losing interest.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 2:30 AM
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I introduced a Torontonian to Taco Time last summer and he said it was "epic" compared to Taco Bell. Taco Time uses actual meat and cheese (both sight and taste confirm that you're eating real food) whereas Taco Bell is using some sort of bizarre beef, bean and cheese whiz slurry to make the same staple menu item: the beef and cheese burrito. For people used to Taco Time, Taco Bell is almost literally shit. Taco Del Mar, on the other hand, is a much stronger competitor to Taco Time, and offers a more unique menu than Taco Bell. Chipotle is a different class of fast food and probably wouldn't impact Taco Time as much as Taco Del Mar would.

After having been in both Winnipeg and Vancouver, I think that the high rate of new restaurants opening isn't because we're "forgetting how to cook", but because we've simply been under served for so long. We have a very low diversity of retail options here. I managed to feed myself in either city entirely by going to restaurants (local and chain) that I had never been to before, without going to any of them twice, and that's a total of three weeks out of town, eating at least 2 meals a day. We're missing out on a lot. That's just food options. Even outside of Thunder Bay, Northwestern Ontario as a whole seems to have more options for grocers, gas stations and fast food than we do in the city these days.
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sorry but after having taco time once and being disappointed to have a cheese and beef burrito for half the price of a pack of beef not to mention it be microwaved in front of me. i have been put off ever since so it is exciting to have another option coming

im pretty sure the pizza location going into the northwood mall will be a little ceasers as i am friends with someone at the subway and his boss mentioned it would be after she had to give the ok. i am also thinking they are going to wait until spring to start the timmies as they smoothed over the hole and removed the equipment from the former sunny's gas bar
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Apparently the construction of The Club Condos has ground to a halt again. I heard this news this morning within the industry. TBNewswatch later put out a story indicating the same thing. I can't say for certain what the reason is, but I know they have had financing problems in the past. The job is also lacking a real strong and steady general to keep things rolling along. With one waterfront condo 100% sold, and the other 75% sold, one has to wonder if some of those waiting to get into The Club went to the waterfront condos after getting frustrated with the lack of progress.

Whatever the reason is for this apparent stall in construction, it must have hit suddenly. The developers just appeared before council to increase the number of units in the building. I think the project will still go, but someone needs to be brought in who can get this done (both in terms of finances and the actual construction). Obviously the current arrangement isn't working.

The union representing mill workers in Ear Falls has reached an agreement with Eacom Timber, the owner of the sawmill. This will essentially allow the operation to re-fire in the spring of 2014. Eacom originally wanted to have the mill up and running this fall, but I don't think lumber prices are as favourable as the company was hoping. It also usually takes quite a few months longer to get a mill going than most companies hope more often than not as well. About 300 mill and woodlands jobs will be restored in the community as a result. Its good new if you are Ear Falls, but probably not so good if you are Red Lake. This will surely further complicate the labour situation in that community as workers stay closer to home in Ear Falls instead of commuting north. Red Lake has essentially 0% unemployment due to the mining boom there.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2013, 2:11 AM
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sorry but after having taco time once and being disappointed to have a cheese and beef burrito for half the price of a pack of beef not to mention it be microwaved in front of me.
Still better than what passes for beef and cheese at Taco Bell... It's a meat, bean and cheese whiz slurry that sits in a warming bucket all day.
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The long vacant restaurant area at the front of the Airlane Hotel is re-opening. It will be known as Club79. It has been closed for as long as I can remember now, and I don't even remember anymore what was in there when it was last open.

Just up Arthur St., work has begun on the expansion of Mr. Chinese. The building is being expanded on the north side. Judging by the look of the site, the owners will probably almost be doubling the size of the building. They definitely need the room.

Construction is imminent on a new gate house building at Kakabeka Falls Provincial Park. It will include an archway over the entrance. It is not a huge building and thus isn't a major project, but worth mentioning anyways. I am guessing the province is hoping this will force more people to pay for parking at the park. I don't think many of the people who visit shell out the $5 or so it costs to visit for a couple hours.
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Construction of The Vue Condos and Delta Hotel thunder bay waterfront


Hey everyone. I've been following these forums for years but never bothered to post pics before but here goes my first attempt.

I've noticed some people asking for updates regarding the construction of the condos and hotel at the waterfront (Prince Arthur's Landing), so here you go! Taken by myself today Oct 12 2013. Hopefully it is ok to post a large number of pics so here are all the angles where all three towers will be so you can enjoy the size and magnitude of this project.
Also I made a quick blog of all the pics if you want to view them there also.


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The Vue Condominiums and Delta Hotel construction site


I was out taking photos today and ventured to the waterfront to take some up to date photos of the progress with the Vue Condominiums and Delta Hotel construction. I took the photos on October 12 2013.

This is the south wall of condo building 1 (south side facing fort william) The footprint of the underground garage is much larger than the building footprints and there is large areas all around the building that is part of the underground garage and will act as a base for garen and patio areas for the residents to enjoy. The area between each building and the hotel will have trees and park like settings with flower gardens etc built right over the underground garage. Parts of the front of the buildings will seem much taller than they really are as sections of the front of the underground parking structure is almost an entire floor above ground. Due to the slope in the landscape the back side of the buildings facing water street will appear almost at grade level.

Following are more photos from various angles of the entire underground structure and where the individual buildings are going up.






















Below is the section (everything this side of the concrete wall in the parking garage) where the hotel will be. There is a wall that divides the hotel underground garage from the two condos.















Below is the area that will feature patio and garden areas with landscaping between condo buildings 1 and 2. The first condo on the left has the first floor almost in place and to the right of the gap with no main floor will be the garden areas and the 2nd tower will go to the right of that, along with another garden area, then finally the tower for the Delta Hotel to the right of that again. It should be fairly pleasant to the eye when completed and will totally transform the park even further once this portion is complete. Hopefully the developper will be putting up the market/commercial space pavillion up soon. That is the gravel lot with chain link fencing next to the water garden pavillion and splash pad. I'd love it if they had a lounge or bar/pub located in there.

The underground parking has a seperating wall between the HOTEL footprint the the condos. The concrete wall at the far back is where the footprint for the Hotel ends so everything on this site is the Hotel. Keep in mind the underground parking structure is also going to be much wider than the hotel itself. Just like the condos. The progress has really taken off quickly for the hotel portion as just weeks ago they were only pumping water out where the poured colum footings are now done. They are now starting to put up the perimeter walls for the hotel underground garage and the colums will soon go up to allow main floor slabs to go on.

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Site of the McKeown Commons Retail Centre on McKeown Avenue.


Site of new 6 floor Student Residence for Canadore College on College Drive. Stupid sun in the frame ruins the picture


New Nipissing University Athletics Centre.


Pictures by me.
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The new Nipissing Athletics Building looks more like a factory than anything. Can't say L.U. did any better with theirs though, as it is officially known as 'The Hangar', and the name suits the look. I guess the industrial look is popular for these facilities.

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While on the topic of athletic centres, a new gym is opening in downtown P.A. It will be located on the main floor of the former Army Surplus/Outdoors store at Park and Cumberland that is currently being completely renovated. I think it will be called "The Gym on Park' or something like that. I will have to get pictures of the exterior of the building, it has been completely altered. The new look is interesting, definitely something different for T-Bay.

Some renovations are going to start up on the LRCA office at Oliver and Golf Links shortly. Mostly smaller repairs to keep the building functioning, no major re-construction or anything. Consider the LRCA's plans for a new building shelved for a good long time now. I don't think they really needed it that badly anyways. There are better uses for the money in my opinion.

Site work has commenced on the new Resolute sawmill in Sapawe. I guess the plan is to flatten it out a bit and remove some rock before beginning construction on the mill. Another positive sign for a recovering forestry industry in NWO.

A small billboard went up at Fort William Rd. and the Harbour recently advertising a new retail centre, and it includes a rendering of the building now. There was a sign there before advertising 16 000 sq. ft., but it was short on details. The new sign provides a few more details, and is being listed by a local realtor now.

Keep forgetting to mention it, Pinewood Ford is getting a bit of a facelift. I guess with most other city dealerships either fixing their fronts up recently, or building new, Pinewood figured they had better keep up. Not like they can't afford it with the number of new pickup trucks driving around this town.
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"The Gym on Park Ave", I think they're planning a grand opening thing in the coming weeks. There are a lot of gyms in this city, now, it's kind of exploded in the past year and a half.
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"The Gym on Park Ave", I think they're planning a grand opening thing in the coming weeks. There are a lot of gyms in this city, now, it's kind of exploded in the past year and a half.
I believe all the new gyms are a product of the changing labour market locally. Gone are many of the blue collar mill jobs, and in their place have come more office-type and professional jobs. These people are probably more likely to hit the gym since they don't get adequate physical exercise at their workplace. I can't see this downtown gym being an immediate hit with the Thunder Bay market. I think they will have a couple rough years to start. Once more people in with mid- and high-end incomes move into places like Superior Lofts and at the Vue Condos (and probably other developments to come in the area), they gym will do well. When one considers the dispersion of gyms in the city, that area is under-served once an immigration of new residents occurs.

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Supposedly FWFN is looking at developing quite a number of hew homes on reserve lands. Some investments are starting to be made into reserve infrastructure. The settlement funds paid to the band by both the feds and province are probably being used for the benefit of the whole reserve, which is nice to see. I think they have a winner in their new chief as well.
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Made time to go out and get some pictures around town this evening. I ran out of light before I got everywhere I wanted to get, so I will have to get pictures of more another time. Anyhow, here is a little photo update of some developments taking place (some old ones I have posted pictures of before but showing more progress now, and a few new ones). Hope you enjoy!

First, the two new hotels at Carrick and the Harbour. Landscaping is underway on the Marriott (first picture) and the exterior is pretty well complete otherwise. There is still drywall to be finished, mill-work to be done and the place has to be furnished on the inside before it opens. The exterior ICF walls at the Days Inn are up (second and third pictures) and interior framing is underway. The roof will be going on the building in not too long now.







Genivar's new office in Innova is pretty well closed in, and some brick work is underway on the rear of the building.





The twin sister building to the Genivar office, the new Fort William Clinic on Golf Links is getting close to completion. The first floor still needs to be finished though, and landscaping work remains outside. The brick is all up, and the result is a pretty solid looking building. Its not going to win any awards, but I think it looks alright.





The skeleton of the new Pro Building at the hospital is up, stair cases are in, and now the rush is on to get the building closed in before winter. The building, located on the edge of a hill, is visible from much of Fort William. First picture is a ways away approaching the building from the west on Oliver near the Expressway.









Almost across the street from the new Pro Building, footings and the foundation for the new Nanabijou Day Care at L.U. are almost in place. The building itself is being partly per-assembled off site.





Next we go to downtown P.A. First is the former Army Surplus/Outdoor store building at the corner of Park and Cumberland. I posted about a new gym opening there the other day. Pictures are below, including the original look of the building first. I also noticed that a large, new tattoo parlour is opening in the former Jack's location across the road. Looks as though reno's are going on inside first though. Looks as though something might be going on in the building next to the soon to be gym as well.

Park and Cumberland before:


And after...




A block down, a sign is up advertising that the Superior Lofts are 50% sold. Not much has happened on the outside of the building yet, but I could see new steel stud framing going in upstairs, and lots of building materials piled in the building next to the former Kilroys that is part of this project as well. I think there was some issues with permits on this job, which has slowed things up a bit. Those issues have been resolved as far as I know.







The north core felt really alive when I was done there this evening, more so than I can recall in a very long time. The streets were packed with people and cars. I can't wait to see what happens down there once all these condos are finished. I really have a good feeling about the area.

Next, to the south core and the courthouse. The exterior is mostly complete, there are little things left to finish here and there. I could still see ladders set up several stories up, but most of the offices also looked complete in the upper stories. The lower floors are far from complete. I couldn't help but notice how eerily quiet the south core was compared to the north core. I suppose the city's goal of having the south core as the administrative business area and the north core as the playground is coming to fruition if my observations mean anything.









North entrance to Victoriaville is fenced off now for a facelift, which is beside the courthouse.



New parking lot across the road from the front of the courthouse, next to Patterson Park and The Elks. I took a picture of The Elks building while I was down there because I believe its time is limited now.





Development on Waterloo, north of Victoria Ave. One building is pretty well up. Almost the entire block is staked out and it looks like footings are being prepared. More to come here yet. For sure a Subway, rumoured that a Denny's will be here, and some offices.







Finally, (because of the dark) some of the work being done on the Northwood Mall. It looks like a new entrance for No Frills, and a new storefront to the right (for the pizza joint, whichever one is setting up there).



There is a lot on the go right now in T-Bay. When you think about it, there is still quite a bit more to come as well, including:
-the next phase of the CEISS project which is just getting underway and is another large building by T-Bay standards
-3 mid-rises at the waterfront just getting underway
-new LCBO soon
-expansion of the health clinic on Simpson
-very likely new residence facilities at Con College (which I received an email to participate in the planning of as a Con College alumni just recently, which indicates its still on the radar), L.U. (for international students) and DFC, the rental market is not conducive to attracting and retaining students in T-Bay, and all three organizations know this all too well
-possible new multi-storey Aboriginal centre at L.U.
-Hampton Inn at the airport is still on the books as far as I know
-new lots at the airport, which I can't see sitting vacant for too long
-new fire halls and ambulance bases
-multiplex is downtown P.A. is probably going to happen since the city is moving the planning process along and has the money sitting there ready to go, all things which higher level gov't like to see before committing their own funds

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