Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3 - Page 114

EpicPonyTime · #1 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Most supportive CFL market. Vancouver is a much larger football market than Regina. A Raiders ex game would do well here.

Vancouver's a larger football market than Regina because it's a bigger city. In terms of per capita support, I just don't see it.

JHikka · #2 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 2:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

Wouldn't BC Place or Commonwealth make more sense as they are closer to Oakland have much larger stadiums and Saskatchewan is the most diehard CFL market and most hostile to NFL compared to other CFL markets.

BC Place is being used by the Whitecaps on the 17th and by the Lions on the 24th of August.

Commonwealth is being used by the Eskimos on the 9th and 23rd of August.

Mosaic is open for just over three weeks in August between the 1st and 24th. I'm presuming Mosaic is being proactive in looking for dates to fill for the stadium. They have a track record of looking for different events to fill the schedule (outdoor hockey, international soccer, and now an NFL preseason game).

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Originally Posted by logan5

Most supportive CFL market. Vancouver is a much larger football market than Regina. A Raiders ex game would do well here.

Yes, but the difference isn't that large for NFL interest, at least proportionally:

Angus Reid Sports Preference Poll, 2018

thurmas · #3 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 3:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

BC Place is being used by the Whitecaps on the 17th and by the Lions on the 24th of August.

Commonwealth is being used by the Eskimos on the 9th and 23rd of August.

Mosaic is open for just over three weeks in August between the 1st and 24th. I'm presuming Mosaic is being proactive in looking for dates to fill for the stadium. They have a track record of looking for different events to fill the schedule (outdoor hockey, international soccer, and now an NFL preseason game).

Yes, but the difference isn't that large for NFL interest, at least proportionally:

Angus Reid Sports Preference Poll, 2018

I have a very hard time believing BC has more CFL fans than Manitoba as a % of the respective provinces.

Chadillaccc · #4 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 6:31 PM**

The City of Calgary just approved both our new NHL arena and our new multi-sport fieldhouse.

EpicPonyTime · #5 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

The City of Calgary just approved both our new NHL arena and our new multi-sport fieldhouse.

The fieldhouse doesn't include any developments for the Stamps, correct?

This definitely came out of the blue, I hadn't heard anything about negotiations. Hopefully they didn't cave on the Flames' demands.

Chadillaccc · #6 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 6:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by EpicPonyTime

The fieldhouse doesn't include any developments for the Stamps, correct?

This definitely came out of the blue, I hadn't heard anything about negotiations. Hopefully they didn't cave on the Flames' demands.

Nope, you're correct. But I should correct myself, the arena hasn't been approved, but the progression of negotiations with Flames ownership has been approved. So it shouldn't be long.

esquire · #7 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 7:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Nope, you're correct. But I should correct myself, the arena hasn't been approved, but the progression of negotiations with Flames ownership has been approved. So it shouldn't be long.

So which proposal are we talking about here? I've lost track of what was on the table.

MacLac · #8 Posted **Mar 5, 2019, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Nope, you're correct. But I should correct myself, the arena hasn't been approved, but the progression of negotiations with Flames ownership has been approved. So it shouldn't be long.

"Progression of negotiations with Flames ownership has been approved." Huh, what does this even mean? Ownership group has said they are NOT interested in any more city morphed "proposals." This goes back last year. This is just another "hair brained" proposal the city is so desparately trying to entice the group with....means nothing and never will.

osmo · #9 Posted **Mar 6, 2019, 12:15 AM**

RE: Oakland.

You have to wonder if tourism and travel data fell into the mix along with stadium availability. If the Raiders are moving to Vegas maybe there is data to support that a large proportion of Regina residents go to Vegas routinely for travel and thus it is an easy way to try and establish fan roots. I always remember Arizona and Vegas being popular vacation places for Regina folks.

someone123 · #10 Posted **Mar 12, 2019, 6:11 PM**

A short article came out today about the CFL ownership group in Halifax. They have committed $60M to the project, and the stadium is expected to cost around $130M. They say they will provide a "significant update" at the end of March:

https://3downnation.com/2019/03/12/h...ject-ambrosie/

blueandgoldguy · #11 Posted **Mar 12, 2019, 8:03 PM**

When they say they will invest $60 million to the project, I wonder if that is an actual $60 million investment in the stadium or is it $60 million towards the surrounding developments? That is, assuming they receive approval to develop the lands immediately around the stadium.

someone123 · #12 Posted **Mar 12, 2019, 8:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

When they say they will invest $60 million to the project, I wonder if that is an actual $60 million investment in the stadium or is it $60 million towards the surrounding developments? That is, assuming they receive approval to develop the lands immediately around the stadium.

My impression is that it might not all go to the stadium but I doubt they are just talking about financing for their own private plans. We will just have to wait and see to get the details.

Even if they kick in $20-30M for the stadium it dramatically changes the cost vs. benefit analysis for the city. The provincial government has said they might also contribute funding depending on the project. If the city were asked to spend $60-80M (maybe partly through TIF) to get a stadium, CFL team, and mixed-use area then it would be attractive.

Dr Awesomesauce · #13 Posted **Mar 13, 2019, 1:03 AM**

$130m sounds a tad low, doesn't it? THF was somewhere around $150m and that was several years ago.

Ah, I see now the ownership group had originally estimated a cost of around $190m. We shall see...

Oilkountry · #14 Posted **Mar 13, 2019, 7:27 PM**

Were not just taking about a new arena in Calgary were talking about a 1.5 billion dollar investment. I'm astonished by that. Nenshie must have fell and bumped his head or something how do you for from 1 side of the spectrum to another. "No public funds for an arena" to a 1.5 billion dollar project

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...ncluding-arena

esquire · #15 Posted **Mar 13, 2019, 7:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Were not just taking about a new arena in Calgary were talking about a 1.5 billion dollar investment. I'm astonished by that. Nenshie must have fell and bumped his head or something how do you for from 1 side of the spectrum to another. "No public funds for an arena" to a 1.5 billion dollar project

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...ncluding-arena

In fairness, the arena is one of four projects to be funded by the $1.5 billion in question.

I have to admit, I haven't been paying close attention. What is the funding model for the new arena?

Pavlov · #16 Posted **Mar 13, 2019, 7:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

In fairness, the arena is one of four projects to be funded by the $1.5 billion in question.

I have to admit, I haven't been paying close attention. What is the funding model for the new arena?

Still subject to negotiation.

MacLac · #17 Posted **Mar 13, 2019, 10:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

In fairness, the arena is one of four projects to be funded by the $1.5 billion in question.

I have to admit, I haven't been paying close attention. What is the funding model for the new arena?

There is none....because the owners don't want a new arena anymore....they called it off last year...team is moving.....

EpicPonyTime · #18 Posted **Mar 14, 2019, 12:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by MacLac

There is none....because the owners don't want a new arena anymore....they called it off last year...team is moving.....

Yeah, I'm sure the owners are desperate to move to a city where they don't have a hope of making nearly the same amount of money.

Chadillaccc · #19 Posted **Mar 14, 2019, 12:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by MacLac

There is none....because the owners don't want a new arena anymore....they called it off last year...team is moving.....

Where are you getting your information? The CSEC has been begging the city for money for years, and continues to. The city is only just finally warming up to the idea because it fits into the Entertainment District ARP now. The city is calling the shots, not the team. Where would it be at all economically feasible for them to move to?

WhipperSnapper · #20 Posted **Mar 18, 2019, 10:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Where are you getting your information? The CSEC has been begging the city for money for years, and continues to. The city is only just finally warming up to the idea because it fits into the Entertainment District ARP now. The city is calling the shots, not the team. Where would it be at all economically feasible for them to move to?

Entertainment District? I guess it fits the moniker. I wish the stadium site wasn't so isolated as far as downtown locations go. It's hemmed in by the river, the stampede and, the convention centre wall. The only connection to the urban fabric (future) is to the north. IMO, it would be better to swap the convention centre site with the stadium site for creating atmosphere down the road. I agree it's more practical to have the convention centre beside transit.