Winnipeg Jets - Page 114

nook · #**2261** Posted **May 7, 2011, 4:52 PM**

There's no way that this 25 million isn't from the taxpayers account. I know that if I were a Glendale citizen, I'd be pissed that the city was giving other millionaires that kind of money when they could be putting that 25 million dollars to other things. Goldwater WILL have an issue over this.

From Bettman's perspective, I understand that Phoenix has a greater potential to be a huge money making market than Winnipeg does, but this "potential" has been around for 15 years. At some point potential must turn into "never will".

Even if you manage to squeeze a sale through to Hulsizer, how long will he own that franchise if they continue to lose money? Less than 5 years, I bet. Bettman needs to do what's best for the league; either move the team to Winnipeg, or dissolve them all together. As a league, you're only as strong as your weakest link, and Phoenix is one hell of a weak link. Make the league stronger by doing one of those two things.

Joshy · #**2262** Posted **May 7, 2011, 5:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by wayward_prince

please do. Which part am I wrong about? Atlanta not coming to Winnipeg, or supporting the Vancouver Canucks farm team is a sad way to enjoy hockey?

Definately one of them. You will soon find out, like everyone else.

trueviking · #**2263** Posted **May 7, 2011, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by wayward_prince

please do. Which part am I wrong about? Atlanta not coming to Winnipeg, or supporting the Vancouver Canucks farm team is a sad way to enjoy hockey?

Don't worry WP. It's all good. The Phoenix thing had to happen. The coyotes were always plan B. Sit tight. The answers will come very quickly.

People will be surprised at Bettman's attitude. Atlanta is portable and will be moved. I'm not just speculating. It will be like ripping off a band-aid.

Matthew · #**2264** Posted **May 7, 2011, 10:28 PM**

The recession impacted Atlanta hard, but the Braves are different. I've been to several games over the years and it's a meeting place. I will arrive at the ballpark before the game and no one is sitting around me. Around the third or fourth inning, people aged 25-35 will slowly walk to the seats around me and look at their phones (planning their night), talk loudly on the phone, have a beer and talk to their friends.. and not watch any of the game. Around the sixth inning, they are gone. How much money did they spend for tickets near the on-deck-circle just to meet their friends to go somewhere else?

It looks to me like Winnipeg was used to threaten Glendale? Hockey is doing better in the states than it was a few years ago. Ratings are up. I think there is an effort to make the NHL a true major league sport and to do so, they need teams in large TV markets. As long as someone is trying to keep these teams in their large markets, I don't expect them to move. Winnipeg should try to buy a smaller market team that is struggling. Those are more likely to move.

Only The Lonely.. · #**2265** Posted **May 8, 2011, 3:03 AM**

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In telling you. It might kill our chances of getting an NHL team here, but just to be spiteful to Buttman wouldn't it be great if Hulsizer bowed out and True North decides it no longer wanted to pursue the Coyotes. I'm so sick of hearing about the Phoenix situation that would make me smile seeing Phoenix and the NHL stuck with what they have created.

I've been thinking this too..

We should just tell the nhl to puck off already.

The league will collapse sometime this decade anyhow, there's just too many overvalued teams doing too poorly.

rrskylar · #**2266** Posted **May 8, 2011, 5:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

Don't worry WP. It's all good. The Phoenix thing had to happen. The coyotes were always plan B. Sit tight. The answers will come very quickly.

People will be surprised at Bettman's attitude. Atlanta is portable and will be moved. I'm not just speculating. It will be like ripping off a band-aid.

The Thrashers must be in even worse shape financially than the Coyotes if the NHL is even considering keeping the Coyotes in the desert for yet another year with no owner in sight. It will be the third season that the NHL has actually owned the team in a market with NO fans support, corporate support or media interest, no chance of signing free agents (and it will probably lose a couple of it's top players to free agency). How the NHL BOG could even go along with Bettman on this is mind boggling.

wayward_prince · #**2267** Posted **May 9, 2011, 5:47 PM**

110 Million for the Atlanta Thrashers and 60 Million relocation fee? 60 Million? To relocate a dyeing team? I would think the NHL would be pleased to just move it-for free. I think Chipman won’t pay that kind of coin to relocate a team which only made the playoffs once in it’s history. The NHL does not deserve that money. It’s not Chipman’s job to pay for the time and money wasted in Phoenix.

rypinion · #**2268** Posted **May 9, 2011, 6:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by wayward_prince

110 Million for the Atlanta Thrashers and 60 Million relocation fee? 60 Million? To relocate a dyeing team? I would think the NHL would be pleased to just move it-for free. I think Chipman won’t pay that kind of coin to relocate a team which only made the playoffs once in it’s history. The NHL does not deserve that money. It’s not Chipman’s job to pay for the time and money wasted in Phoenix.

Where are these numbers coming from that you are commenting on?

Mininari · #**2269** Posted **May 9, 2011, 6:44 PM**

So, assuming that the Gongdale council passes the vote to keep the Coyotes in town for another season, what kind of timeline would we be looking at to hear something regarding Atlanta? Are we back to the idea of an announcement sometime between the Stanley Cup Final and the draft in June? Or sooner than that?

Time for me to stop doing a daily google news search on "Glendale Coyotes." That one is going back into the freezer for a year....keeping 'em nice and fresh for Quebec City maybe?

wayward_prince · #**2270** Posted **May 9, 2011, 7:11 PM**

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Where are these numbers coming from that you are commenting on?

from almost every newspaper on the continent that is reporting a possible relocation of the team.

dennis1 · #**2271** Posted **May 9, 2011, 8:45 PM**

I'm hearing many of the BOG want to avoid Winnipeg and Quebec City. And there will be little to no resistance if the Oilers choose to move.

ScrappyPeg · #**2272** Posted **May 9, 2011, 9:09 PM**

Who is saying anything about the Oilers moving out of Edmonton?

I'm having a hard time believing that the BOG would want to avoid a market that would require less 'prop up' money.

Big part of me really hopes Phoenix stays put - whatever will be will be after this fiasco.

Biff · #**2273** Posted **May 9, 2011, 9:26 PM**

The word from Bill Daly of the NHL is that if Glendale votes to approve $25 to cover losses for one more year, the NHL will absolutely keep the team in Phoenix for the 2011/2012 season. That is even if Hulziser drops out, they will be there for next year and try to find a new owner.

dennis1 · #**2274** Posted **May 10, 2011, 12:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by ScrappyPeg

Who is saying anything about the Oilers moving out of Edmonton?

I'm having a hard time believing that the BOG would want to avoid a market that would require less 'prop up' money.

Big part of me really hopes Phoenix stays put - whatever will be will be after this fiasco.

Katz threatened so last july. The NHL has not done nearly as much for the Canadian teams.

thurmas · #**2275** Posted **May 10, 2011, 3:22 PM**

one rumour that popped up today is glendale voting to cover $25 million in loses in a 10 year deal to keep the team. Also what the nhl might be doing is that they promised atlanta they can come here right away and with glendale keeping the coyotes for one or 2 more years then they move them to quebec once their new rink is up.

Mininari · #**2276** Posted **May 10, 2011, 3:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

...Also what the nhl might be doing is that they promised atlanta they can come here right away and with glendale keeping the coyotes for one or 2 more years then they move them to quebec once their new rink is up.

This is what I figured made the most sense all along, with the caveat that IF an ownership group can buy the Coyotes and keep them in Phoenix, then they would stay. The relocation fee for the Thrashers to Winnipeg (Rumoured at $60M) would be more than enough to appease the NHL for losses incurred by their tenure as owners of the Coyotes.

The Moose are out of the playoffs.
The Coyotes are out of the playoffs.
The Thrashers never made the playoffs.
Stanley Cup Final is a month away...
The stars are aligned to get something done NOW, but its going to be tight. I guess the good news is that if its going to happen, we should know SOON. No more month-to-month BS.

rrskylar · #**2277** Posted **May 10, 2011, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

one rumour that popped up today is glendale voting to cover $25 million in loses in a 10 year deal to keep the team. Also what the nhl might be doing is that they promised atlanta they can come here right away and with glendale keeping the coyotes for one or 2 more years then they move them to quebec once their new rink is up.

Why would they keep a team in Phoenix and play before 9K fans when they could move a team to the Colisée Pepsi in Quebec City and play before 15K with NHL ticket prices.

Mininari · #**2278** Posted **May 10, 2011, 4:14 PM**

My only guess is that it would generate another 10 years of revenue for Glendale to pay down their white elephant arena... and give them time to figure out a long-term plan for the area... not to mention that the present mayor and council will probably be enjoying their pensions by then too. Pass the buck to the next council, etc.

Otherwise, yeah... the Colisee is old, but that new arena is supposedly only a few years away... Quebecers would fill whatever Arena they're given, provided that they're watching NHL hockey again!

rrskylar · #**2279** Posted **May 10, 2011, 4:29 PM**

My guess is that the NHL will not put a team in QC until a new arena plan has been finalized, that is the leverage the NHL holds over QC. Once that is completed QC becomes the hammer for the NHL, the position Winnipeg now holds. The NHL loses the hammer when the Thrashers are relocated to Winnipeg, unless the COG votes no on funding another $25 million in losses for next year. With a no vote from the COG the NHL is in a shit load of trouble with two franchises to relocate.

thurmas · #**2280** Posted **May 10, 2011, 5:14 PM**

I am just trying to think in the nhl's bizzaro mindset but it's very hard to do so for a long period of time before your brain just explodes!