The Great Canadian Transit Thread

[Innsertnamehere]

Toronto's transit system is great at serving the city of Toronto, but if you live outside of Toronto there may as well be no transit. (other than GO lines) Toronto transit is good in the City of Toronto, but unfortunately 2/3rds of the city do not live there. Peel, York, and Durham are all extremely transit deprived for their locations.

also, I completely agree that streetcars are way better than Buses and I would never wish for them to to be removed. What I meant is that streetcars should in no way be considered a form of RT, as they run just as slowly as buses.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

I really hope Vancouver goes through with their downtown streetcar network. In my opinion, they at least need to bring the Olympic line back online and put it in revenue service. Getting to Granville Island can be a bit of a hastle on Transit, but with that, it makes things so much easier.

Yeah, me too, in fact I could have used it yesterday getting off at Olympic Village Skytrain station and going to Granville Island! My girlfriend who is from Japan even asked me what the new station platform / rail was for, and she couldn't believe it when I said they built it only for the Olympics and since then it has sat vacant!

Anyways, Skytrain is one of the best aspects of metro-Vancouver and it is amazing that our system competes with cities up to 3 times our size

[caltrane74]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Toronto's transit system is great at serving the city of Toronto, but if you live outside of Toronto there may as well be no transit. (other than GO lines) Toronto transit is good in the City of Toronto, but unfortunately 2/3rds of the city do not live there. Peel, York, and Durham are all extremely transit deprived for their locations.

also, I completely agree that streetcars are way better than Buses and I would never wish for them to to be removed. What I meant is that streetcars should in no way be considered a form of RT, as they run just as slowly as buses.

You may be right about the speed of Streetcars and buses, but I know that if there are upgrades on Streetcar lines, cities will almost always try to get some portion of the line into a ROW (right of way) - Such as in Toronto with the St. Clair Line. This is possible for other routes in the future, i would have to assume.

Another thing is some people, maybe the snobs, will never ride on a bus, but will use a streetcar. So you open the pool of ridership up with you bring in higher order transit, which Streetcars are, at least in relation to buses. lol!

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

I doubt the "no more" option will win.

That remains to be seen but I hope you're right. The referendum is stupid, but its what the people want. But its a small price to pay than the alternative....ugh!

Originally Posted by nname

If you are comparing the metro area, then Mississauga and Richmond Hill won't care about how much km the Toronto Subway have either. Its all similar...

I'm not sure about Richmond Hill but Mississauga does not pay for Toronto's subway the same way South of Fraser pays for Skytrain. Just saying...

Originally Posted by caltrane74

A True, but probably not a 100% fair statement.


Bus

Wikipedia
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TTC_T6H_5307N_Bus_2284.jpg

Streetcar

http://www.railforthevalley.com/latest-n...cities-%C2%A6-light-rail-transit-or-lrt/

Amen!!!! Streetcars ftw!!! I remember when I was in that big Toronto meet back in 2006, I insisted we ride the streetcar. They bring so much character to Toronto! And you should have seen me in Stockholm with some forumers riding a streetcar there...I was like a kid in a candy store

[queetz@home]

Double post

[nname]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

I'm not sure about Richmond Hill but Mississauga does not pay for Toronto's subway the same way South of Fraser pays for Skytrain. Just saying...

Well, some of Toronto's line/extension is built fully with provincial fund. I'm sure they all paid for it one form or the other.

Its not like SoF does not receive any transit service... By the way, you forgot the one project that received by far the biggest share of regional money from TransLink - the Golden Ears Bridge. Well, its not SkyTrain, but it is built from the same pool of money whether you like the project or not. By your logic, maybe we shouldn't pay for anything in Canada that have no use to us?

[Chadillaccc]

I'm making montages of skylines in our respective provinces (except I had to combine Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and also combined the Atlantic Provinces)... it's amazing how many skylines we have in this country. My montage of Alberta has 6 skylines... BC, and Ontario have 9 (but both have at least 12 skylines), Quebec has 9 as well, Man/Sask has 6, and the Atlantic provinces will probably be about 9 (haven't done that yet)... pretty cool! I might combine the territories (Yellowknife, Iqaluit, Hay River) with Man/Sask to make it 9 though...

[ccw219]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

I really hope Vancouver goes through with their downtown streetcar network. In my opinion, they at least need to bring the Olympic line back online and put it in revenue service. Getting to Granville Island can be a bit of a hastle on Transit, but with that, it makes things so much easier.

Strongly agree, particularly in regards to that short Olympic line that was put in as a test. The full model that goes all of the way through Chinatown to English Bay also seems like an easy win.

However, as a priority over the Evergreen Line and needed LRT extensions in Surrey it's sadly hard to justify the costs...but we can still dream!

[Chadillaccc]

Impressive ridership growth numbers out of Calgary. We should be over 300 000 LRT riders per day by next year. Not bad at all. Now all they need to do is bury the line downtown.

Originally Posted by WIGS

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[caltrane74]

Tunnelling Machine for the New Streetcar/LRT line on Eglinton Was Launched!!

Happy Days Are Here Again


Glen Murray, Minister of Transportation and Minister of Infrastructure, flips the switch on the giant tunnelling machine that is finally beginning the big dig for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT, while Bruce McCuaig, left, president and CEO of Metrolinx watches.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/...rews_launch_giant_tunneling_machine.html

[ccw219]

Originally Posted by chadillaccc

impressive ridership growth numbers out of calgary. We should be over 300 000 lrt riders per day by next year. Not bad at all. Now all they need to do is bury the line downtown.

+1

[Morningrise]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Impressive ridership growth numbers out of Calgary. We should be over 300 000 LRT riders per day by next year. Not bad at all. Now all they need to do is bury the line downtown.

Calgary really is quite impressive with how successful the C-Train is, particularly given the fact that it's such a rich, sprawling, suburban, car-centric city. It's really too bad none of the other prairie cities have done so well at implementing rapid transit into their transportation networks.

Though I have to say the one thing that I find lacking with the C-Train is the development of dense urban centers around the stations (outside of downtown). If Calgary just had a decent amount of denser urban areas outside of its city center it would make the city so much more appealing, in my opinion

[armorand93]

Originally Posted by Morningrise

Calgary really is quite impressive with how successful the C-Train is, particularly given the fact that it's such a rich, sprawling, suburban, car-centric city. It's really too bad none of the other prairie cities have done so well at implementing rapid transit into their transportation networks.

Edmontons tried! Original pioneer of the LRT.

Winnipeg... not so much.

[Doady]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Toronto's transit system is great at serving the city of Toronto, but if you live outside of Toronto there may as well be no transit. (other than GO lines) Toronto transit is good in the City of Toronto, but unfortunately 2/3rds of the city do not live there. Peel, York, and Durham are all extremely transit deprived for their locations.

Even with 34.7 million annual revenue ridership for MiWay the New Mississauga Transit (46.8 riders per capita, higher than the Hamilton Street Railway), 18.4 million for Brampton Transit, 22.2 million for YRT, and so on, these systems might as well not exist?

I think that's very insensitive. It's because of people like you YRT keeps on cutting service. "There might as well be no transit, so cutting service is not a big deal". Etc.

There are bus routes in the 905 that as busy and heavily-used as those in the 416: Hurontario, Dundas, Yonge, Queen, Steeles, etc. To claim that these routes and the people using don't matter seems very elitist to me.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by armorand93

Edmontons tried! Original pioneer of the LRT.

Winnipeg... not so much.

Edmonton's system will be much better when the expansions are complete. They're already running 4 and 5 car trains to anticipate future growth

Winnipeg is growing at a decent rate again, they should seriously study LRT ASAP. Edmonton and Calgary both built the initial leg of their systems when they were like 500k people.

[Innsertnamehere]

Winnipeg just finished its first BRT line.. And it's something like 3km long. They seem to be going for the Ottawa model rather than the Calgary or Edmonton model.

[Chadillaccc]

Yeah, I posted pics of some of the Winnipeg BRT stations in the previous page. A transit way is the way to go. I dunno how Edmonton does it, but Calgary's Centre Street "BRT," if you can call it that, isn't really a good BRT. Centre Street is busy at all times with car and pedestrian traffic.

[Innsertnamehere]

speaking of BRT, the first section of the Viva Rapidway (BRT) on highway 7 is set to open in 3 weeks.

some pics: (Warning, large)

Originally Posted by MafaldaBoy

I walked around a bit along the new stretch of road; the landscaping and detailing is well done and helps to mitigate some of the enormity of the 8 lane "highway". Some new blue street signs instead of the usual York Region green have also gone up:

http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread....7)-(York-Region-U-C)?p=738459#post738459

[Chadillaccc]

Oh wow! Awesome What a great development!

[Chadillaccc]

Edmonton's new LRT line looks to be nearly finished all of the hard construction. Just a bit of work left for landscaping and whatnot.