The US Census Bureau thread - Page 113

pianowizard · #**2241** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Edit: Pittsburgh and Cleveland MSAs also grew.

What's more, Pittsburgh city proper's population dropped less than previously feared, and remained over 300k, 302,971 to be exact.

LAsam · #**2242** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by proghousehead

Shocked LA didnt cross 4 MM. so close/

Does the census include the homeless population as well?

proghousehead · #**2243** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:14 PM**

Can someone pull the numbers for Jersey City and Newark. Wondering how close the former got to surpassing the latter.

Yuri · #**2244** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:15 PM**

I thought Detroit would lose less. MSA counties, however, went ok. Even Wayne County did fine despite Detroit.

And Pittsburgh MSA growing between census for the first time since 1950-1960. That's massive. Buffalo for the first time since 1960-1970.

That's even more impressive considering the US growth plunged.

streetscaper · #**2245** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:20 PM**

Yuri, would do you think about NYC's growth? Impressive, huh?

proghousehead · #**2246** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:21 PM**

Are more detailed Asian demographs available? Such as counts by Indian, Chinese, Korean, etc.

James Bond Agent 007 · #**2247** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:22 PM**

I just realized St Louis managed to stay above 300K with 301,578, a loss of only 5.5%.

Can't seem to find anywhere on the Census website where I can get KC data without having to download zip files and so some analysis on them.

Camelback · #**2248** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by proghousehead

Shocked LA didnt cross 4 MM. so close/

I'm shocked as well, I thought it crossed 4 million years ago?

It still not that close though. It's over 100,000 away.

Being 100k away is close for cities like Dallas or Phoenix, but LA's growth seems to have stalled out. 3.7 million in 2000 and 3.9 million in 2020 is fairly slow growth.

pianowizard · #**2249** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:23 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by proghousehead

Can someone pull the numbers for Jersey City and Newark. Wondering how close the former got to surpassing the latter.

Jersey City:
Population, Census, April 1, 2020 = 292,449
Population, Census, April 1, 2010 = 247,597

Newark:
Population, Census, April 1, 2020 = 311,549
Population, Census, April 1, 2010 = 277,140

Steely Dan · #**2250** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:24 PM**

not only was the CB wrong about the city of chicago shrinking, they were also wrong about the Chicagoland MSA shrinking as well!!!!

Chicagoland MSA 2010 actual: 9,461,105

Chicagoland MSA 2020 estimate: 9,406,638 (-0.6%)

Chicagoland MSA 2020 actual: 9,618,502

2010 - 2020 MSA growth: 157,397 (+1.7%)

and roughly half of that MSA growth was in just cook county (+80,866), which the CB also estimated to shrink.

and roughly a third of that MSA growth was in just the city of chicago (+50,790), which the CB also estimated to shrink.

so once again the CB knows fuck-all about estimating chicago and its land.

proghousehead · #**2251** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:26 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by pianowizard

Jersey City:
Population, Census, April 1, 2020 = 292,449
Population, Census, April 1, 2010 = 247,597

Newark:
Population, Census, April 1, 2020 = 311,549
Population, Census, April 1, 2010 = 277,140

Interesting. Very close. Thanks.

The North One · #**2252** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by yuriandrade

I thought Detroit would lose less. MSA counties, however, went ok. Even Wayne County did fine despite Detroit.

And Pittsburgh MSA growing between census for the first time since 1950-1960. That's massive. Buffalo for the first time since 1960-1970.

That's even more impressive considering the US growth plunged.

Detroit proper is the hardest city in the US to count, this is expected. This count is without a doubt lower than real population. A lot of new residents also keep official addresses outside the city due to insurance rates which makes it worse. The main source of immigrant growth (Middle Eastern and Latino) are especially distrustful of the census so they just don't do it. Pandemic ruined in-person counting and counting events which are essential to cities with height minority populations.

It's also worth noting the bulk of this loss in the decade is very old, it's mostly if not entirely due to the tax foreclosure crisis that peaked at around 2011. There are next to zero tax foreclosures in the city today.

Where are the metro numbers?

Camelback · #**2253** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:29 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

not only was the CB wrong about the city of chicago shrinking, they were also wrong about the Chicagoland MSA shrinking as well!!!!

Chicagoland MSA 2010 actual: 9,461,105

Chicagoland MSA 2020 estimate: 9,406,638

Chicagoland MSA 2020 actual: 9,618,502

2010 - 2020 MSA growth: 157,397 (+1.7%)

so once again the CB knows fuck-all about estimating chicago or its land.

Good to see Chicago and the MSA growing!

It would be really really strange if the 3rd largest city and Metro were to actually shrink during a period where the US added 22.7 million people to the overall population.

pianowizard · #**2254** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:33 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

not only was the CB wrong about the city of chicago shrinking, they were also wrong about the Chicagoland MSA shrinking as well!!!!

Chicagoland MSA 2010 actual: 9,461,105

Chicagoland MSA 2020 estimate: 9,406,638

Chicagoland MSA 2020 actual: 9,618,502

2010 - 2020 MSA growth: 157,397 (+1.7%)

Yep, the earlier prediction that Chicago would become a megacity by 2030 could still come true after all.

sopas ej · #**2255** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by proghousehead

Shocked LA didnt cross 4 MM. so close/

However, Los Angeles County is officially over 10 million people (10,014,009).

Source: https://californianewstimes.com/cali...census/480488/

LAsam · #**2256** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Camelback

I'm shocked as well, I thought it crossed 4 million years ago?

It still not that close though. It's over 100,000 away.

Being 100k away is close for cities like Dallas or Phoenix, but LA's growth seems to have stalled out. 3.7 million in 2000 and 3.9 million in 2020 is fairly slow growth.

Will be interesting to see metro area growth, relative to city growth. Based on the county-by-county map that was posted earlier, Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties all had bigger growth than LA county.

LAsam · #**2257** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by sopas ej

However, Los Angeles County is officially over 10 million people (10,014,009).

Source: https://californianewstimes.com/cali...census/480488/

Yeah, I wonder if LA city's growth has been restricted due to lack of housing supply, rather than a lack of demand... driving people into surrounding cities and counties.

Camelback · #**2258** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by sopas ej

However, Los Angeles County is officially over 10 million people (10,014,009).

Source: https://californianewstimes.com/cali...census/480488/

So LA city is roughly 40% of LA County.

That's similar to Phoenix city : Maricopa County.
Phoenix 1.6 million : Maricopa County 4.5 million
35%

DCReid · #**2259** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by LAsam

Yeah, I wonder if LA city's growth has been restricted due to lack of housing supply, rather than a lack of demand... driving people into surrounding cities and counties.

Probably, especially considering prices. I believe LA average house prices are in the range of $750K for a resale compared with $500K for San Bernardino/Riverside for a new house.

Camelback · #**2260** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 7:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by LAsam

Yeah, I wonder if LA city's growth has been restricted due to lack of housing supply, rather than a lack of demand... driving people into surrounding cities and counties.

Low housing supply (for whatever reasons) --> higher prices, priced out first timers, move to the outer areas. Makes sense to me.

If LA would build a a thousand 50 story towers, I have no doubt that they wouldn't all sell out. the reason it's not done is restrictive zoning and most importantly it would drag down home values all across the area.

LA would become more affordable, but homeowners (especially recent homeowners) would be upside down.