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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 6:49 PM
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Start adding up the additional costs for property taxes, income taxes, capital gain taxes, structural modifications for building code, etc. and the Tennant cost differential between secondary suite and regular multi-residence apartment is almost nil. E.g. if a secondary suite is $500 per month and equivalent apartment is $750 per month, the additional costs imposed on the homeowner will increase secondary suite to about $700-$750 per month.
Imposed? I don't think you're being intentional, but there's already a significant amount of dummies who actually believe Naheed Nenshi's going to expropriate your basement and force you to turn it into a secondary suite. Legalizing is just giving people the option. The concerns you cite are valid to homeowners considering the option, not really to the electorate at large.
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Imposed? I don't think you're being intentional, but there's already a significant amount of dummies who actually believe Naheed Nenshi's going to expropriate your basement and force you to turn it into a secondary suite. Legalizing is just giving people the option. The concerns you cite are valid to homeowners considering the option, not really to the electorate at large.
@Cage.

Exactly. Look, if secondary suites cost a lot to build, operate and pay taxes for, then they cost a lot to build, operate and pay taxes for. If they aren't an affordable housing solution, then they aren't an affordable housing solution. So what? Remove regulatory restrictions and let the market figure out the price. I am okay with that. Secondary suites aren't some magical fairy trick that somehow don't obey the laws of the market. And so what if they aren't any cheaper than apartments, they are still increasing the total housing stock, which is the fundamental problem. Calgary seems to have huge problems with affordable housing mostly due to rapid growth that development can't catch up with. Allowing secondary suites allows a lot of units to be built with very little effort and in very little time, and I think that is a good thing.

Unless you are suggesting some revisions to the tax code? If so, could you explain, that would be great. But if someone is renting out part of their home to someone else, I expect them to pay more in taxes.

I know you are criticizing Nenshi's proposal- but what is your alternative?
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Do you think this will hold true for Calgary on Monday?

From CNN - candidates with more facebook fans win big...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...h-more-facebook-fans-win-big-on-tuesday/

In Calgary - Nenshi currently with: 6962, Higgins: 1510, McIver: 3092
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:09 PM
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:11 PM
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:12 PM
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The ultimate goal of Nenshi's Better Idea #1 was to have safe, affordable, legal housing for all Calgarians. However better idea #1 falls apart on detailed examination.

Safety runs in direct competition with the other two reasons for BI#1, increase the safety factor and affordability decreases, the landlord/homeowner must increase rent to cover their additional costs. Legal contrasts with safety as its cheaper to remain illegal secondary suite.

Legal housing would require more than just removing the redtape barriers. Current illegal secondary suite landlords will not convert to legal suites if the costs are too high, no matter how much the administrative burden is reduced. Similarly, new secondary suite homeowners will not go the legal route if costs are too high.

Affordability is where BI#1 really falls apart, for all the reasons I have highlighted above. Everything BI#1 increases the cost of secondary suites, to the point where costs for secondary suites would be equivalent to regular apartments. This really points to Nenshi's weak spot, he is very intelligent policy wonk but cannot cost out his proposal or minimize the unintended consequences. Result is that Mayor Nenshi will get a great secondary suite policy framework enacted that will do nothing to improve affordable housing, increase public safety, or provide a tangible benefit to Calgarians.
Right now secondary suite owners have no incentive to comply with the Alberta Building code, which doesn't really account for a secondary suite and treats it more like a duplex. There is close to 0% compliance with the current rules, because it is almost impossible to get proper zoning for a suite.

If you have a framework to approve secondary suites, people will start building compliant suites. A limited number of people have tried to get permits under current rules even because they want to play by the rules, only to be turned down by the city.

I would guess the largest class of suites would be those right now that if the zoning was changed would be 'near compliance', with no 30 minute firewall and no separate HVAC. I am not an expert on this but I remember reading that to renovate an existing non-compliant suite into a compliant one was estimated at $10 - $15k.

Once you have compliant suites in existence, they will also garner higher rents, which is good for everyone. Renters will be covered by the landlords tenants act, be able to get insurance, etc. Landlords get more money. Banks will approve higher mortgages to more marginal buyers.

Just because it won't cover 100% of suites, it still moves things forward. Even incentivizing 25% would be more than 10,000 legal units.

If not enough become same, put in incentives to convert, but my god the current situation is untenable.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:20 PM
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Do you think this will hold true for Calgary on Monday?

From CNN - candidates with more facebook fans win big...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...h-more-facebook-fans-win-big-on-tuesday/

In Calgary - Nenshi currently with: 6962, Higgins: 1510, McIver: 3092
If this is true we might also see a new president in the US in 2012. Facebook did a poll and the results were Ron Paul (85%, 1,008 Votes) Obama (15%, 182 Votes)
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:23 PM
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Thought this was cool:

Connelly talked about crowd sourcing, but Nenshi has actually used it in his campaign.

Check out this:

http://www.chaordix.com/blog/2010/10/13/crowdsourced-nenshi-video/
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:30 PM
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I don't get mad at people like Michael Jordan, because they are so dedicated to their goals. Lakritz's response was just petty and pessimistic. She is the kind of person who wants us to hate motivated people because they make us lazy people feel bad.
To be fair, 99% of tabloid/celebrity journalism is founded on this very principle, so I don't think she was too far out from the common person's beliefs.

OT, but what the hell. At least it's more productive than trying to *snort* *giggle* discuss a Facebook *chuckle* poll seriously *guffaw*.

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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 7:39 PM
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Hahahaha! Oh Ramsay!
I thought my lack of picture would throw everyone off.

Found this gem of a comment on Ric's site:

"In regards to the airport tunnel, it really is money that will benefit very few Calgarians. In 18 years here in Calgary I have only used the airport once myself, had to pick up people there only twice. It will not make a large difference to the traffic flow there."

The one thing I like about Ric's site is that they don't appear to delete comments, or at least they have deleted any of mine. Mind you, I haven't been that rude.
     
     
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Right now secondary suite owners have no incentive to comply with the Alberta Building code, which doesn't really account for a secondary suite and treats it more like a duplex. There is close to 0% compliance with the current rules, because it is almost impossible to get proper zoning for a suite.

If you have a framework to approve secondary suites, people will start building compliant suites. A limited number of people have tried to get permits under current rules even because they want to play by the rules, only to be turned down by the city.

I would guess the largest class of suites would be those right now that if the zoning was changed would be 'near compliance', with no 30 minute firewall and no separate HVAC. I am not an expert on this but I remember reading that to renovate an existing non-compliant suite into a compliant one was estimated at $10 - $15k.

Once you have compliant suites in existence, they will also garner higher rents, which is good for everyone. Renters will be covered by the landlords tenants act, be able to get insurance, etc. Landlords get more money. Banks will approve higher mortgages to more marginal buyers.

Just because it won't cover 100% of suites, it still moves things forward. Even incentivizing 25% would be more than 10,000 legal units.

If not enough become same, put in incentives to convert, but my god the current situation is untenable.

Alberta already has relaxed codes for secondary suites as opposed to duplexes. In my opinion, people really SHOULDN'T be allowed to rent out suites that don't meet these really minimum fire safety requirements, e.g. a safe egress window, a separate entrance, minimal fire break (all it requires is 1/2" drywall?), etc.. As for the separate HVAC, if you've ever lived in one of these suits, you know that having your own way to control the temperature of the unit really shouldn't be optional. Besides, does it take much more than a baseboard heater and a bathroom fan to meet this requirement?
     
     
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I know you are criticizing Nenshi's proposal- but what is your alternative?

First alternative, determine the critical goal, the goal that must be met, between safety, legality, and affordability.


To this end I would divorce affordable housing from the current argument. More to point, I would not consider affordable housing as an argument point for secondary suites.

First priority would be safety. As Mayor ( ) I would focus on safety aspect of secondary suites. This would encompass reduction in the redtape rezoning and development permit processes. I would remove development permits for suites that are all ready substantially compliant (e.g. second entrance, compliant windows, fireproof, etc). Secondly I would remove the requirements for rezoning and instead direct city administration to hand out rezoning permits based upon a preset number of secondary suites per comnunity (e.g. 5 secondary suites per block get zoned with no further community association involvement). Comunity association involvement would begin if there is desire for increased # of secondary suites. I would implement a low cost or no-cost initial safety inspection for homeowners to identify where their suites are deficient. Most controversially, the initial safety inspection would be fine and penalty free for all but the most serious and life threatening situations. For all other safety infractions the homeowner would be provided the time to remediate the deficiencies within a 6-12 month timeframe.

I would implement an enhanced process to track down illegal secondary suites and get the homeowners started on the process of taking their initial safety inspection and working towards compliant secondary suites. This process would inlcude a whistleblower line and review of classified ads (rentfaster) for illegal secodnary suites.

Finally I would work with Gov't of AB and City of Edmonton to alter current secondary suite safety requirements to only focus on those aspects that directly affect safety. Example is the requirement for second HVAC for the secondary suite, this aspect of safety regulations si not life threatening unless the temperature is below 15C, so focus on the landlord tennant situation over the requirement for second HVAC unit.

My plan would focus on making secondary suites safe and legal, improving the quality of housing in Calgary rather than quantity. Quantity aspects would be handled through other initiatives.
     
     
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Ok, since it is just before the weekend, here are my predictions (feel free to give your own):

Mayor
Nenshi- 36%
McIver- 34%
Higgins-26%
All others- 4%

Ward 1
Hodges- 40%
Harper- 30%
Scott- 20%
Vandenbrink- 5%
All others- 5%

Ward 2
Lowe- 80%
All others- 20%

Ward 3
Stevenson- 70%
Laroque- 15%
All others- 15%

Ward 4
Chu- 26%
Morgan- 25%
Northcott- 22%
All others- 27%

Ward 5
Jones- 80%
All others- 20%

Ward 6
Royer- 40%
Pootmans- 35%
Others- 25%

Ward 7
Farrell- 65%
Taylor- 25%
Others- 10%

Ward 8
Mar- 55%
Paskak- 50%
Others- 5%

Ward 9
Carra- 40%
Nixon, Pal, Chapman- 15%
All others- 15%

Ward 10
Chabot (ugh)- 65%
Dossa- 25%
All others- 10%

Ward 11
Pincott- 60%
Maxim- 35%
Frisch- 10%
All others- 5%

Ward 12
Keating- 45%
Brown- 25%
Crow- 35%
All others- 5%

Ward 13
Rodrych- 40%
(Ok, I don't think he is going to win, I just don't like DCU)
Colley-Urquhart- 35%
Jenkins- 25%

Ward 14
Fox-Mellway (ugh)- 40%
Kao- 30%
Dur- 25%
Demong- 5%
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A reasoned approach besides the quota of suites per 'main houses' - unless you attach a market value to them, you would likely loose a challenge on the constitutionality of it methinks.
     
     
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My plan would focus on making secondary suites safe and legal, improving the quality of housing in Calgary rather than quantity. Quantity aspects would be handled through other initiatives.
And this is different from Nenshi's policy how?
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 8:04 PM
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I think Ward 7 will be much closer between Farrell and Taylor
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 8:13 PM
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^ Fusili - I think you're pretty bang on with most of those predictions.

I really, really hope Harper can pull an upset in ward 1. But perhaps just a bit too much vote splitting there.

Agree, Ward 7 will be closer, also perhaps ward 11.
     
     
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I really want Harper and Pashak to pull upsets.
     
     
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