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Old Posted Mar 7, 2019, 5:23 PM
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^ I keep hearing this for like. Every. Single. Industry.

So then, what the hell do people in Chicago do, exactly? We have oodles of jobs downtown which are only growing, but then that same line pops up over and over again "most of the jobs in this industry are on the coasts"

So I take it in Chicago people are just sitting at desks getting paid to stare at computers?
The majority of people in their industry don't know where all the jobs are. They just know about areas that have a lot of jobs in their industry. I work in tech and most people still don't have a clue that there's a lot of tech jobs in areas like Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, San Diego, LA, Toronto, Montreal, etc. They mostly think that the Bay Area, NYC, and Seattle..And maybe Boston and DC are the only areas with a lot of tech jobs.

Frankly most people aren't in a position to know. They just regurgitate information they read in an article once or what's the accepted information. Every industry has a "promised land" or 2. A lot of people are clueless about these things, truly, even in their own industries outside of these areas.

Chicago being a closed network can be true, but a lot of jobs can definitely be found online if you know anything about finding jobs online.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2019, 8:42 PM
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^ I keep hearing this for like. Every. Single. Industry.

So then, what the hell do people in Chicago do, exactly? We have oodles of jobs downtown which are only growing, but then that same line pops up over and over again "most of the jobs in this industry are on the coasts"

So I take it in Chicago people are just sitting at desks getting paid to stare at computers?
When you search on job listing websites for opportunities based on my skill set, California and the Boston-Washington corridor dominate in the number of listings. Chicago is the third largest market with Lake County having the highest concentration of jobs. St. Louis and Indianapolis are decent markets as well.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2019, 9:38 PM
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When you search on job listing websites for opportunities based on my skill set, California and the Boston-Washington corridor dominate in the number of listings. Chicago is the third largest market with Lake County having the highest concentration of jobs. St. Louis and Indianapolis are decent markets as well.
Healthcare/biotech? Express Scripts in St. Louis and Eli Lilly in Indy.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2019, 11:18 PM
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Healthcare/biotech? Express Scripts in St. Louis and Eli Lilly in Indy.
Yes, and the ag biotechs: Monsanto/Bayer in St. Louis and Dow AgroSciences in Indy.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2019, 10:25 PM
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... but then that same line pops up over and over again "most of the jobs in this industry are on the coasts"

So I take it in Chicago people are just sitting at desks getting paid to stare at computers?
Informed speculation on my part, but I have a friend who was recruiter for Google. She said they had like 30,000 unfilled openings. That's what I remember. I could be off by an order of magnitude. It was over drinks. The point was, they were hiring literally as fast as they could. If there are 3000 similar jobs open in Chicago at the same time, that's a lot! Even 300 is a lot of openings in one field any one location. But if you've got a 45,000 foot view, 1000 jobs outside of Silicon Valley might look like a rounding error in Silicon Valley.
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^ Yes, Chicago has an unusually closed high-skill employment environment. People who move here with no connections often have trouble finding a job, but if you're a postdoc (woohoo, now I'm not the only UC postdoc on here!) it's easy to meet the "right" people.
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That's what it seems like to me. In silicon valley its super easy to get hired and here ive had more trouble.
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^ Yes, Chicago has an unusually closed high-skill employment environment. People who move here with no connections often have trouble finding a job, but if you're a postdoc (woohoo, now I'm not the only UC postdoc on here!) it's easy to meet the "right" people.
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What is the definition of a millenial?

In 2017 there were 745,593 people aged 20-34.

In 2012 there were 732,368 people aged 20-34.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2019, 5:55 PM
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What is the definition of a millenial?

In 2017 there were 745,593 people aged 20-34.

In 2012 there were 732,368 people aged 20-34.
Typically I've seen it referred to as anyone born from 1980 to 2000, sometimes cut off at 1995 or some other year in the late 90's.

Your statistics are a rational way to look at it, what is the number of young people living in the city. The fretting over millenials moving out comes from the fact that a higher percentage of any generation tend to live in the suburbs the older that generation gets. Millenials are moving to the burbs now that they get older, they are just doing it at a much slower rate than previous generations.

However, as your stats show, the number of people under the age of 34 continues to grow meaning that, even as Millenials trickle out, Gen Z is more than taking their place.
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Typically I've seen it referred to as anyone born from 1980 to 2000, sometimes cut off at 1995 or some other year in the late 90's.

Your statistics are a rational way to look at it, what is the number of young people living in the city. The fretting over millenials moving out comes from the fact that a higher percentage of any generation tend to live in the suburbs the older that generation gets. Millenials are moving to the burbs now that they get older, they are just doing it at a much slower rate than previous generations.

However, as your stats show, the number of people under the age of 34 continues to grow meaning that, even as Millenials trickle out, Gen Z is more than taking their place.
Thanks, wasn't sure what the years are for millenials.

Looking at ages 35-39 in 2012, there were 199,982 people in that group.

In 2017, there were 203,462 in that age group.

I'm not sure where the info is coming from that Chicago is losing millenials.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2019, 11:16 PM
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Thanks, wasn't sure what the years are for millenials.

Looking at ages 35-39 in 2012, there were 199,982 people in that group.

In 2017, there were 203,462 in that age group.

I'm not sure where the info is coming from that Chicago is losing millenials.
Shitty data/analysis, like that WBEZ article that claimed that the middle class is almost literally gone in Chicago because they used a definition of middle class that I don't think anybody actually uses.
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Shitty data/analysis, like that WBEZ article that claimed that the middle class is almost literally gone in Chicago because they used a definition of middle class that I don't think anybody actually uses.
Yeah, that one was terrible. Very disappointed that BEZ would publish trash like that.
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Following explosive growth, HealthJoy announces $12.5M funding and plans to double headcount

https://www.builtinchicago.org/2019/...llion-series-b

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HealthJoy, a Chicago-based healthtech startup, just raised a $12.5 million Series B to tidy up your health benefits.

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The funding will be used to double headcount. Headcount is currently at 121 employees, and the goal is to push that number to 250 this year.

“Right now our number one goal is to scale the company,” said CEO Justin Holland. “We are doubling our employee count over the next year to stay in front of demand. We are looking for passionate team members who are looking to use their skills to make a difference in people's lives.”

Holland said the company will grow across the board, including on its engineering, customer success, sales and operations teams. HealthJoy will also build out an entirely new development team in Chicago. Holland said the company doubled the size of its office in the beginning of the year to accommodate the planned growth.

Those new hires will join will help HealthJoy accelerate its already rapid growth. According to TechCrunch, the company grew by 610 percent last year and currently has around 200,000 users. The goal for this year is to grow by 250 percent. HealthJoy’s platform is designed to be used by companies of all sizes, from 100 employees to over 50,000.
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CME, datacenters, rival trading firms, suburban dimwitted politicians..who knew...
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CME, datacenters, rival trading firms, suburban dimwitted politicians..who knew...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...usinessweek-v2
There's a movie coming out next week called "The Hummingbird Project," starring Jesse Eisenberg, and based on the super-straight fiber-optic cable company the story mentions.
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There's a movie coming out next week called "The Hummingbird Project," starring Jesse Eisenberg, and based on the super-straight fiber-optic cable company the story mentions.
This looks intriguing. . . my company had a low latency network between Chicago and New York which was the fastest route for like a month. . . then Spread came in essentially killed it. . . we sold off that asset to Zayo back in 2012 and Spread - then a +$300m company - sold for like $127m to Zayo 5 years later. . .

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A snippet from Bisnow:

Financial tech startup Tegus opened its new Chicago office and technology space last week inside 120 South LaSalle, which JLL leases on behalf of ownership Slate Office REIT. During the ribbon-cutting alongside Mayor Rahm Emanuel and World Business Chicago CEO Andrea Zopp, Tegus co-founder Thomas Elnick said the company plans to triple its headcount by the end of the year. Colliers’ Joe Stevens and Tony Karmin represented Tegus, and JLL’s Craig Coupe and Mason Taylor represented Slate.

Read more at: https://www.bisnow.com/chicago/news/...medium=Browser
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Markets work great for a lot of things. I love markets. But this oversimplification is absurd. Free markets don't mean I can throw my garbage in the street. And markets aren't efficient if they are only profitable because the owner is freeloading, extorting or taking advantage of unpriced externalities. If a community invests in public spaces and institutions over decades, the *most profitable* use of some land in that historic neighborhood may still be a drive through vape shop. It's profitable because it's an unearned increment made possible because value exists due to generations of public investments and the long-term enterprise of a community and institutions. Sure, simply extracting profit from previous investments may indeed be profitable, but that certainly doesn't mean it's good for a community.

If economics is the justification, it should implicitly address this extremely basic stuff first. But even more simply, if a person’s justification for doing something ugly is just that he has the “right” to do it, you shouldn't be his friend.
This is all over the place. The lowly vape shop isn't good enough, not enough of an investment for a historic neighborhood. Owners shouldn't be able to just coast along, buoyed by public investment around them.
But here at 800 Fulton Market we have the opposite. Instead of rehabbing an old run down warehouse, which can't support a large office use, instead of coasting along, the owner is tearing it down to build a large new building that is a good investment in the community. And the outcry from some is that the government should have stepped in to block the investment. Which may have had the effect of blocking any investment at all. Is the community better off with an abandoned historic building, or a new office tower and all the economic growth that comes with that?

Turning the city into a museum that can't grow would turn Chicago into SF, Portland, Seattle. A severe housing crisis, sky high cost of living, families pushed out, investment fleeing. That's not good for the community's long term health.
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But here at 800 Fulton Market we have the opposite. Instead of rehabbing an old run down warehouse, which can't support a large office use, instead of coasting along, the owner is tearing it down to build a large new building that is a good investment in the community. And the outcry from some is that the government should have stepped in to block the investment. Which may have had the effect of blocking any investment at all. Is the community better off with an abandoned historic building, or a new office tower and all the economic growth that comes with that?

Turning the city into a museum that can't grow would turn Chicago into SF, Portland, Seattle. A severe housing crisis, sky high cost of living, families pushed out, investment fleeing. That's not good for the community's long term health.
Of course--of course--making capricious rules or punitive regulations until investment becomes impossible is a bad idea. Likewise, letting a coal company dump do whatever it wants because the investment creates a large handful of jobs is a bad idea. Cleaning up a poorly regulated mine might potentially cost billions more than the income that was ever generated. A little coal profit isn't worth filling a trout stream full of mine tillings.

In the analogy above, the coal company was only profitable in the first place because it wasn't required to pay for the unpriced value it was destroying (perhaps a valley next to the mine). In this example, a person could have pointed to the proposed mine and said, "If we don't let the mine come in, is the community better off if the investment is not allowed to proceed? In this little parable, yes. They are losing more than they are gaining if the mine investment happens. Which might not be obvious if what you are losing is difficult to price! Or in cases where the benefits of an asset is distributed but competing benefits are concentrated.

In many historic preservation arguments, the stated premise from--let's non-judgmentally say free market fundamentalists--is that what should always be done is what's most profitable. On the opposing side, the often unstated premise of a preservationist is that there is lots of value present in a historic building--the benefits of having it are distributed and hard to price--and that letting it turn into a vape shop with a drive through is only profitable if you aren't properly tallying costs and benefits.

I don't always know which side of the fence I'm going to come down on. I spend a LOT of time arguing with my lefty friends who just want to foolishly and spitefully block anything that's going to generate profit for someone. But almost every time when someone says, "if it's more profitable to tear it down it should be torn down," that person isn't considering the unpriced values of the asset. In those cases, communities need to think of creative ways to share and maintain the prosperity created by unique legacy assets in a way that helps create the right incentives for the market.

Obviously, the city could invest-in or mothball important assets. This happens in Italy and Germany and I'm sure other places. It would be foolish to let a historic, 14th century cathedral fall over just because it didn't have a use today. It will be generating tourist dollars for centuries and generating income for the nearby businesses for just as long. So nearby businesses could team up, pay into a pot that could save the historic structure and ensure their prosperity for generations. There are well understood game theory issues--multipolar traps--that make these kinds of cabals unstable. So usually the best thing to do is to for government to step in. A special tax assessment in historic areas where the proceeds are used to make investments that markets often can't. If I'm a business owner, I pay a little more tax, but my assets are protected from depreciation because the valuable buildings on my block that contribute to the success and value of my business aren't being pillaged for a little short term profit. This is the exact same reason that we have an army.
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^^^ That's fine. But those "valuable historic buildings" only contribute if people find them valuable and economic to use. If they all sit vacant because people went elsewhere, that doesn't help your business. Now in a large vibrant economy there are many diverse uses, so ideally every building gets a loving owner and a productive use. But that doesn't always happen. Some uses require large office buildings that didn't exist prior to 1946.

Yes, some historic treasures that aren't economic can be preserved and held for later. I'm very glad the Uptown Theatre is finally being rehabbed, that is a very unique building. But let's be honest, no one is going to fly to Chicago from Italy to look at a run down 4 story brick warehouse.

I also disagree that we can equate tearing down a building on one person's private land with polluting the land of others or dumping garbage on the street. No more than we should block a development for being tall and casting a shadow, or bringing in crowds of people. If I create a very successful business next to yours, am I polluting you with my customers? Cities have zoning, and within that zoning, private owners set private uses.
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