LeBreton Flats 2.0 (RendezVous LeBreton) | Cancelled

[J.OT13]

The Montreal forum was re-developed into a mall/entertainment complex which includes shops, restaurants and a cinema.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Forum

Maple Leaf Gardens was re-purposed into a Loblaws and a athletic centre for Ryerson, including a 2,800 seat arena which sits on the top floors.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_Gardens


http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2011/10/...e-leaf-gardens

[acottawa]

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[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

The Montreal forum was re-developed into a mall/entertainment complex which includes shops, restaurants and a cinema.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Forum

I have gone to movies there. They did a good job of playing homage to the old Forum and even have some of the old seats in the lobby of the theatre, which can be seen on the right side of the second picture above (larger image below).


Montreal Forum interior
Sylvain Pastor [CC BY-SA 3.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)], from Wikimedia Commons

[dougvdh]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

The Montreal forum was re-developed into a mall/entertainment complex which includes shops, restaurants and a cinema.


Maple Leaf Gardens was re-purposed into a Loblaws and a athletic centre for Ryerson, including a 2,800 seat arena which sits on the top floors.

Of course, both of those buildings were urban, making it a completely different game. CTC is going to require something more unique and 'destination' oriented.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by dougvdh

Of course, both of those buildings were urban, making it a completely different game. CTC is going to require something more unique and 'destination' oriented.

That, and both buildings had history, which made preservation important, and they were smaller with square footprints, which made them easier to repurpose.

Here are 7 examples of other stadiums and arenas around the world given a new life. Whether or not these are realistic for the Corel Centre is another matter.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...posed-stadiums

[McKellarDweller]

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[roger1818]

Originally Posted by dougvdh

Of course, both of those buildings were urban, making it a completely different game. CTC is going to require something more unique and 'destination' oriented.

True, but it did answer the original question.

I've said this before, but personally I think it would make a good indoor water or amusement park. A water park would probably be a better fit (literally, since they don't need as much space and all of the tubes could start at the upper levels and flow to a central pool), but we are probably getting too many of those. Either way, being indoors means that it could be open year round, which would be a huge plus. The concessions could remain and the washrooms could become change rooms (for a water park).

[McC]

IIRC the CTC is due soon for a new roof and new HVAC system soon, which presents an interesting opportunity for a fairly drastic re-purposing, like the indoor water park idea or something like the Biodome (another stadium conversion), that would need a very different climate control system.

[acottawa]

It is hard to see any type of conversion being cheaper than knocking it down and building something suitable for the new use.

[J.OT13]

Watching the live feed of the NCC Board Meeting. Seeman and Kristmanson look pretty chipper. Board met for 12 hours yesterday. Long session on LeBreton, amongst other things. So should be positive?

Also discussed today is the film studio in Neapean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS0xlnSfaNc

Jon Willing form Postmedia and Joanne Chianello of CBC are live tweeting.

https://twitter.com/JonathanWilling?...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://twitter.com/jchianello

[kevinbottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Maple Leaf Gardens was re-purposed into a Loblaws and a athletic centre for Ryerson, including a 2,800 seat arena which sits on the top floors.

How could I have forgotten about Maple Leaf Gardens? I was still in Toronto at that time.

There's something about the forum conversion I don't like but I can't put my finger on it.

[JHikka]

Internal issues with RendezVous group. Seems like process on the arena is grinding to a halt.

[Lakeofthewood]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

How could I have forgotten about Maple Leaf Gardens? I was still in Toronto at that time.

There's something about the forum conversion I don't like but I can't put my finger on it.

Just feels cheaply done imo. Something about the flooring in the main area there screams Walmart, which I don't think is a good look for a building that they were trying to pay respect to

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Lakeofthewood

Just feels cheaply done imo. Something about the flooring in the main area there screams Walmart, which I don't think is a good look for a building that they were trying to pay respect to

I think they were trying to make it look like ice.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Internal issues with RendezVous group. Seems like process on the arena is grinding to a halt.

Is that a euphemism for “no money”?

[Kitchissippi]

or "mo' money" aka "I'm not signing if there's no taxpayers subsidy"

[rocketphish]

'Unresolved issues' inside RendezVous partnership on LeBreton Flats redevelopment, NCC board told

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 22, 2018

RendezVous LeBreton Group, the Ottawa Senators-led consortium trying to nail down the development rights for a historic redevelopment of LeBreton Flats, has advised the National Capital Commission of “unresolved issues” within the private organization, the federal land agency tasked with stick-handling the deal said Thursday.

Mark Kristmanson, CEO of the NCC, told the agency’s board of directors there has been progress on consultations with the Algonquin community, land-use regulations and decontamination — but RendezVous appears to have internal strife.

The NCC received notification from RendezVous on Nov. 8 that the partners — the Senators and Trinity Developments — apparently have some disagreements.

The motion on the table at the NCC on Thursday asked for support to proceed with the next steps “either within the established solicitation process or within a new process.”

The NCC’s board of directors received an update on the project during a public meeting after they were briefed in a closed session on Wednesday night.

RendezVous’s main partners are Senators owner Eugene Melnyk and Trinity Developments founder and executive chairman John Ruddy.

The NCC named RendezVous the preferred proponent in November 2016 after a two-consortium competition for the redevelopment. The other pitch was from Devcore Canderel DLS Group, which was told its proposal would not be considered.

Last January, the NCC announced it reached an agreement in principle with RendezVous.

RendezVous wants to build an 18,000-seat NHL arena surrounded by a mixed-use community of multi-residential and commercial building. A Sensplex and an abilities centre are also included in RendezVous’s plans.

More to come.

[email protected]
twitter.com/JonathanWilling

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...ncc-board-told

[rocketphish]

NCC gives ‘dysfunctional’ RendezVous LeBreton partners January do-or-die deadline

By: Craig Lord, OBJ
Published: Nov 22, 2018 12:25pm EST

“Unresolved issues” within the consortium tapped to redevelop LeBreton Flats have pushed the National Capital Commission’s board to set a January ultimatum for RendezVous LeBreton: “Get your act together” or the NCC will move on.

The NCC board of directors passed a proposal during its meeting on Thursday to put the partners behind preferred proponent RendezVous LeBreton – comprised of John Ruddy’s Trinity Development Group and Senators Sports and Entertainment with team owner Eugene Melnyk – under a January deadline to unite on the project or else the Crown corporation will restart the process.

Negotiations between the NCC and RendezVous LeBreton – the commission’s preferred proponent to redevelop the long-vacant swath of land west of the downtown core with residential units, public spaces and a new arena for the Ottawa Senators – have been ongoing since November 2016. Last January the NCC announced it had established an agreement in principle to transfer the land to the development group.

RendezVous informed the NCC on Nov. 8 that “unresolved issues” in the partnership have prevented the group from moving forward on a master development agreement that was slated for completion in June 2019.

Details about the exact nature of the partners’ issues were not disclosed at the board meeting, but in a media scrum following the session NCC chief executive Mark Kristmanson said the two parties could not agree on proposed changes to the group’s corporate structure. Mayor Jim Watson said in that press conference that he’s seen signs of a strained relationship between Ruddy and Melnyk in his interactions with the men.

“It has been a challenging relationship that I have witnessed. My hope is that they come together and get their act together and bring forward a corporate governance structure that makes sense and is workable so that we can break ground on this project and not be constantly mediating between the two partners,” he said.

“We cannot have a dysfunctional partnership construct and build this site over the next 10 to 20 years. It has to be workable.”

If these issues are not resolved by the NCC’s January board meeting, the federal landowner can opt to end its current negotiations with RendezVous and begin the process anew. Whether that means a new request for proposals, a redefined agreement with one or both of the groups within RendezVous LeBreton or an unknown option remains to be seen.

Kristmanson declined to give details about what would come next should the group fail to meet the January deadline, but did note that the NCC was no longer in any negotiations with the other group that proposed a vision for LeBreton Flats, Devcore Canderel DLS.

https://obj.ca/article/ncc-gives-dys...r-die-deadline

[J.OT13]

Doesn't seem to be a money thing. According to Chianello, based on the Kristmanson's response;

"There’s apparently a different corporate structure that the two sides can’t agree on. “There’s been a changing cast of characters,” says Kristmanson."

https://twitter.com/jchianello/statu...50476325191681

[daud]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Doesn't seem to be a money thing. According to Chianello, based on the Kristmanson's response;

"There’s apparently a different corporate structure that the two sides can’t agree on. “There’s been a changing cast of characters,” says Kristmanson."

https://twitter.com/jchianello/statu...50476325191681

ultimately its money. how it should be shared. Corporate structure revolves around percentages of ownership-and what entails said ownership-real estate etc..

I believe an attempt was made by Melnyk to bring on some limited partners to address some financial component and that fell through-probably multiple attempts.

He needs to sell this team and get out of this game. He's not poor but he doesn't seem to have liquidity to pull this off and seems unwilling to liquidate other assets to do it. Pure speculation but, that is how I perceive things.