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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 2:56 AM
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The seaplanes create a significant noise problem on the other side of Burrard inlet too. Sometimes it feels like they're within 50 feet of my condo doing some Tom Cruise style fly-by.

They've even started pulling up to the pier near Lonsdale.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 2:58 AM
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noise and jet fuel fumes adds soul to the the neighbourhood?
Absolutely. Too bad you can't see why.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 5:19 AM
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Absolutely. Too bad you can't see why.
Well, there are plenty of new condos being built near the future Capsan Way station in Richmond for people who can't get enough of that good stuff.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 5:47 AM
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Well, there are plenty of new condos being built near the future Capsan Way station in Richmond for people who can't get enough of that good stuff.
Thankfully, you can still get some of it in the heart of the city too. Thankfully, the heart is still beating.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 5:54 AM
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Is this silly dispute really just over the extra $9.50/$12-whatever fee? Or was there some other reason I missed?
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 6:14 PM
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Is this silly dispute really just over the extra $9.50/$12-whatever fee? Or was there some other reason I missed?
Apparently yes.
Your looking at 2 rich parties with gobs of money having an ego/pissing contest. It's going to be up to the City to make the call by giving an ultimatum.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 8:01 PM
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Seriously? An ugly couple of shacks, noise and jet fuel fumes adds soul to the the neighbourhood? Not really.
I'd take that over the sterile, blandness of Coal Harbour. Give me Main St., Gastown/Railtown, even International Village over Coal Harbour.

There's a solution already at hand to the ugly shacks - it's called the new Convention Centre Sea Plane Terminal.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2012, 5:31 AM
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Apparently yes.
Your looking at 2 rich parties with gobs of money having an ego/pissing contest. It's going to be up to the City to make the call by giving an ultimatum.
Or try to use the court system to achieve that. News report said Vancouver's new float plane terminal will sue PavCo to have 'temporary' landing docks turfed.

Source: The Province
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2012, 4:20 AM
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Trevor Linden's Club 16/She's Fit will open April 16th. Although I don't agree this should've been at seawall level at least this won't be an empty void.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 3:40 AM
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The cactus club folks must be spending millions on renovations, hope it pays off for them.



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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 7:55 AM
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That Cactus Club has been under construction for over a year. I really wonder what they're doing and why it's taking so long.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 1:48 PM
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Construction only really started a couple of months ago, They originally started ages ago but stopped to concentrate on the English Bay location.

Strange how there's been no further talk of the Harbour Green restaurant, perhaps the old seaplane terminal is holding that up as well.
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The cactus club folks must be spending millions on renovations, hope it pays off for them.

I think this tarped area will be their outdoor patio space.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 8:17 PM
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I think this tarped area will be their outdoor patio space.
Actually, if I call correctly, I believe the plans indicated that area will technically be glass-enclosed; the fact that the tarping is unnecessarily high seems to support that possibility. The tarped area on the east and south sides of the building is definitely all outdoor patio space.
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who wants to put money on what will happen 1st ...... the crappy sea plane terminal closing or the cactus club opening?

I got $50 on the Cactus
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I'd take that over the sterile, blandness of Coal Harbour. Give me Main St., Gastown/Railtown, even International Village over Coal Harbour.

There's a solution already at hand to the ugly shacks - it's called the new Convention Centre Sea Plane Terminal.
Well you're entitled to your opinion but as a resident of Coal Harbour, I like it just fine. I've lived in Gastown and while it does have a funky, unique beat going on there, I was happy to escape.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2012, 1:05 AM
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Actually, if I call correctly, I believe the plans indicated that area will technically be glass-enclosed; the fact that the tarping is unnecessarily high seems to support that possibility. The tarped area on the east and south sides of the building is definitely all outdoor patio space.
Ahh, could be - sort of an all weather space that can be opened up if necessary?
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jlousa posted a link to the plans on page 107, but it doesn't work anymore.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2012, 1:48 AM
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It looks like PavCo is continuing to throw its own tenant under the bus:

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PavCo challenges Vancouver float-plane terminal over safety concerns

VANCOUVER— From Monday's Globe and Mail

Published Sunday, Apr. 22, 2012 7:45PM EDT


A new float-plane terminal in Vancouver’s downtown harbour “has never been safe or functional for float-plane operations,” B.C. Pavilion Corp. alleges in court documents filed as part of a lawsuit relating to the facility.

And the risk of contact between airplanes and docks in parts of the terminal, known as the Vancouver Harbour Flight Centre, “may cause property damage and personal injury,” PavCo said in its April 13 response to a claim filed against it in the Supreme Court of B.C.

The allegations, which have not been proved in court, echo safety concerns that float-plane companies have previously raised about VHFC, a $22-million facility at the north end of the new convention centre.

The privately financed terminal was supposed to be a spiffy new home for float-plane operators that whisk an estimated 300,000 passengers a year between Victoria and Vancouver, as well as other destinations. But even before it opened last May, VHFC was bogged down in a controversy over fees, with float-plane companies balking at what they viewed as excessively high rents to use the facility. As that dispute dragged on, would-be tenants also raised safety concerns, which VHFC characterized as a ploy to avoid having to move in to the new facility.

Currently, the new VHFC terminal and the makeshift facility it was to replace are both in business – with VHFC losing about $250,000 a month, while the biggest player in the business, Vancouver-based Harbour Air, continues to operate from the “temporary” facility.

The province last September commissioned a report to look into safety and design concerns at the terminal, but to date that report has not been released. In the meantime, two seaplane companies, Seair and Tofino Air, fly passengers to and from the facility daily.

“I’m going to let a court decide whether [the terminal] is safe and functional,” VHFC president Paul McElligott said last week. “We believe it’s safe and it is functional – it’s been operating since last May and there are float-plane companies operating out of it today. Now that it’s before the courts, I’ll let it get settled in that arena....”

The legal slugfest got underway last month, when VHFC sued PavCo, Harbour Air and two of its executives, and the Vancouver Commercial Seaplane Operators Association.

In its suit, VHFC said PavCo – which owns the water lot where the new terminal is located, and leases it to VHFC – had breached that lease and “failed to take steps to terminate the use of the temporary facility and has permitted it to be used in competition with the new facility.”

In a bid to woo companies to the new terminal, PavCo last year agreed to defer VHFC’s rent, allowing VHFC to lower the rates it charged to prospective tenants. Two tenants signed up after that reduction – which worked out to float-plane companies paying about $9.50 in costs instead of an earlier-proposed $12 per flight in and out of the harbour.

The dispute hit bumpy water before it wound up in court. Last November, a Harbour Air float plane partly sank while docked at VHFC as part of a safety test. The incident became controversial, with both sides suggesting the other was responsible in the mishap.

A draft report into that incident by aviation investigation firm R.J. Waldron and Co. and commissioned by PavCo, a copy of which was provided to The Globe and Mail, found none of the perceived safety concerns raised by Harbour Air – such as docks being too high and overly exposed to waves – were a factor.

Instead, the report found the primary cause for the sinking was inadequate checks by Harbour Air personnel for water on the plane’s pontoons and, in particular, a missed check on the night of Nov. 4 last year – the night before the plane was spotted, tail sinking in the water, at about 4:27 a.m.

Harbour Air CEO Greg McDougall, while conceding that human error contributed to the incident, has stated that the safety test gathered data that could highlight potential public safety concerns at the terminal.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nati...nal-over-safety-concerns/article2410480/
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2012, 2:45 AM
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Think it's more to defend itself in it's actions so far or lack of action in this case. Think if they beleived it was truly unsafe they would've been the ones to file a breach of lease. Will be interesting to see how this unfolds,at the very least the safety report will be made public, and hopefully the outcome leads to closure on the matter.
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