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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 5:28 PM
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Just announced on the Tom Young show....the casino's going to Magnetic Hill.
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 5:49 PM
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Yep, I heard that rumour around work this afternoon too. Not everything "Tommy Tongue" says is true, but the people I heard it from heard it on the CBC.

It may not be downtown, but at least it's in Moncton, if the rumours are true.

Nothing like 3rd hand gossip, huh?
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 6:09 PM
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Government announces preferred proponent in destination casino project (08/05/08)

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May 8, 2008

FREDERICTON (CNB) - The province announced today that as a result of the request for proposals (RFP) issued on Nov. 8, 2007, a preferred proponent has been selected to construct, equip and operate a destination casino in New Brunswick.

The preferred proponent, Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Ltd., proposes to design, build and own a destination casino in the Moncton region, which will create 400 full-time equivalent jobs and cost about $90 million. There will be 770 full-time job equivalents created during construction.

The entire project will be funded by the private sector, and there will be no government funds involved in the design, construction, equipping or operation of the facility.

Four proposals were submitted in response to the RFP. Evaluation of the proposals was carried out by five evaluation teams, comprised of process and financial consultants from KPMG LLP, industry experts HLT Advisory Inc., and select government officials.

KPMG LLP is also acting as the fairness monitor throughout the entire process.

The preferred proponent was selected through a rigorous evaluation process. Evaluations considered completeness of the bids, the proponent's experience and technical expertise, its financial capacity, the business case presented in its submission, and the merits of the economic benefits generated by the casino complex, including the ancillary facilities.

The selection of the preferred proponent was presented to government, and the identity of the preferred proponent was not known by government until after the recommendation was approved.

"We are very pleased that four proposals were received, and with the quality of the preferred proponent's proposal," said Finance Minister Victor Boudreau. "The preferred proponent has put forth an exciting project which will be a great attraction for the Moncton region and for New Brunswick as a whole. We also look forward to the economic benefits that this will bring to the province, which will continue to make our province the place to be in offering both tourists and residents of New Brunswick a range of diverse activities and attractions to enjoy."

The proponent's team members are Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Ltd., Navegante Group Inc., Clairvest Group Inc., and 2050631 Ontario Inc.

Sonco is a Maritime-based real estate and casino development company; Clairvest is a publicly traded merchant bank/private equity investment fund with holdings in a number of casino facilities; Navegante Group is a U.S.-based casino operator with a great deal of experience in its field; and 2050631 is an Ontario company comprised of investment companies and shareholders.

The project will include a resort hotel with 128 rooms, as well as a multi-purpose entertainment/conference and convention centre facility with theatre seating for 1,500 and a banquet-style capacity for 1,400. The facility is expected to open no later than Dec. 31, 2010.

In the weeks ahead, the provincial government will finalize a service provider agreement with the proponent. Additional details of the proposal will be made public upon signing of the agreement. Protocols established under the RFP require all proponents to respect the confidentiality provisions of the RFP until an agreement is finalized. All proponents, therefore, have been asked not to discuss any of the details of their proposals.

The RFP for a destination casino, and the ancillary services attached to it, was released as part of a responsible gaming policy announced by the province on Nov. 8, 2007.

Four pillars of the policy are video lottery terminal (VLT) reform; enhancement of responsible gaming initiatives; strengthening charitable gaming policies; and the RFP for a destination casino to help boost tourism and offer new entertainment choices for New Brunswickers.

VLT sites in the province will be cut by more than 50 per cent, from 625 to 300, while the number of machines will be cut by nearly 25 per cent, from 2,650 to 2,000. The transformation of the VLT program will begin in October 2008 when the removal of VLTs from dining establishments will begin. The reform of the VLT program is expected to be complete by April 2010.

Funding for responsible gaming initiatives and research programs was doubled to $1.5 million annually.

Charitable gaming programs are being enhanced, including allowing Texas Hold 'Em tournaments by charities, after rules and regulations were developed.

Lastly, the RFP was issued for the construction, equipping and operation of a destination casino by a private third party.

08/05/08

MEDIA CONTACT: Marc Belliveau, communications, Finance, 506-453-4138.

08/05/08
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 6:10 PM
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Casino/convention center outside Downtown core.... really outrageous...

Another suburban project : shame.

I leave the boat... enough is enough.

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If they do put it at Magnetic hill maybe it will be like this:

www.foxwoods.com

and that will leave more room downtown to build a 'metro center' type facility.

Is it confirmed that it's out there? When is it supposed to be completed by?
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If they do put it at Magnetic hill maybe it will be like this:

www.foxwoods.com

and that will leave more room downtown to build a 'metro center' type facility.

Is it confirmed that it's out there? When is it supposed to be completed by?

Haha, like Foxwoods. Keep dreaming!
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 7:57 PM
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 7:58 PM
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Haha, like Foxwoods. Keep dreaming!
Why not...on a smaller scale...?
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 8:05 PM
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Why not...on a smaller scale...?
A 128-room hotel will provide a small suburban 5-story building....

Wow... a casino in a potato field...

Anyway I`m too furious and biased to see some advantages to it.
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 8:32 PM
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Why not...on a smaller scale...?
I thought you were talking on the same scale lol.

It's obvious that their trying to turn Mag Hill into a big entertainment destination.

Unfortunately your downtown is going to suffer because of it.
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WOW this is absolutely outrageous! I cannot believe after all the support for a nice urban casino they selected an effing suburban POS. This is THE single worst decision Ive heard in regards to Moncton in a very long time. I mean yes Im happy about the jobs and the development in general...however Im still pissed when I think of what it could have been...this is basically resulting in further drawing people away from downtown, and making it even more difficult to draw new business there. The government is obviously only looking at it from a dollars and cents point of view and not from a location point of view, or a Moncton point of view.
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 9:25 PM
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The story is being covered by a few national news sources like The Globe and Mail.

Moncton home to New Brunswick's first casino
The Canadian Press

May 8, 2008 at 1:47 PM EDT

FREDERICTON — New Brunswick's first casino will be built near the Magnetic Hill tourist site in Moncton.

The provincial government confirms Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Ltd. will build the gaming facility, a 128-room hotel and an entertainment venue that will seat 1,500.

A separate banquet hall will have room for 1,400.

The total cost of the privately financed project is pegged at $90-million, and the project will create 400 full-time jobs.

There were four companies competing for the project.

A number of committees were formed to make the decision for the Liberal government to avoid any appearance of political interference.
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 9:31 PM
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The story is being covered by a few national news sources like The Globe and Mail.

Moncton home to New Brunswick's first casino
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This is basically a good project so the location make me mad...

I hope we are ready to some more " for lease " in the core.
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 9:55 PM
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This is basically a good project so the location make me mad...

I hope we are ready to some more " for lease " in the core.
Exactly, this easily could have been such a boon for downtown moncton its not even funny...but no, as usual nobody cares about downtown...just money...its cheaper to build on the edge of town by the highway, so thats what they do. Oh well, at the end of the day this is a 90 million dollar development creating 400 permanent full time jobs and it will help further develop moncton as a top tourist destination in NB...really nothing to scoff at, but its just maddening to think what it COULD have been.
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This definitely sucks for you guys, but I can't say I'm surprised in the least. Moncton has always been about sprawling suburbia, and I had a gut feeling that the casino would end up near Magnetic Hill somehow.

I really don't get the appeal of a non-downtown convention centre though, that seems incredibly lame. If I'm planning a conference, and comparing Atlantic Canada convention centres, all the other major cities have downtown or waterfront locations, so unless I'm enamored by VLTs, Moncton might be a tough sell (don't get upset at me for that comment, obviously there are other reasons to choose Moncton, I'm just ignoring them in this case in order to make my displeasure at a suburban development seem more dramatic).

Oh well, at least we have a final decision now, so things can move on from there.
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 10:24 PM
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This definitely sucks for you guys, but I can't say I'm surprised in the least. Moncton has always been about sprawling suburbia, and I had a gut feeling that the casino would end up near Magnetic Hill somehow.

I really don't get the appeal of a non-downtown convention centre though, that seems incredibly lame. If I'm planning a conference, and comparing Atlantic Canada convention centres, all the other major cities have downtown or waterfront locations, so unless I'm enamored by VLTs, Moncton might be a tough sell (don't get upset at me for that comment, obviously there are other reasons to choose Moncton, I'm just ignoring them in this case in order to make my displeasure at a suburban development seem more dramatic).

Oh well, at least we have a final decision now, so things can move on from there.
Good points kwajo

However in regards to the convention center, I doubt this will be the cities main convention center, from what I can tell this will just be part of the casino/hotel development. Im assuming the city will still be looking to build a downtown convention center, much larger than that. We should hear the cities reaction from this soon I would imagine...
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This definitely sucks for you guys, but I can't say I'm surprised in the least. Moncton has always been about sprawling suburbia, and I had a gut feeling that the casino would end up near Magnetic Hill somehow.

I really don't get the appeal of a non-downtown convention centre though, that seems incredibly lame. If I'm planning a conference, and comparing Atlantic Canada convention centres, all the other major cities have downtown or waterfront locations, so unless I'm enamored by VLTs, Moncton might be a tough sell (don't get upset at me for that comment, obviously there are other reasons to choose Moncton, I'm just ignoring them in this case in order to make my displeasure at a suburban development seem more dramatic).

Oh well, at least we have a final decision now, so things can move on from there.
Agree with all the way. That could kill downtown convention center or at least make it irrevelant. Sad day for Downtown... I would prefer it Uptown Dieppe... the next downtown of Moncton area (ironicly). Sorry but I `m really disappointed.

This time its the province the problem not the city though.

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Why does Moncton want to turn into one big suburb?
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Good points kwajo

However in regards to the convention center, I doubt this will be the cities main convention center, from what I can tell this will just be part of the casino/hotel development. Im assuming the city will still be looking to build a downtown convention center, much larger than that. We should hear the cities reaction from this soon I would imagine...
I don't doubt that there will still be some people and businesses pushing for a downtown convention centre, but the placement of the casino/hotel/convention centre at Magnetic Hill will make it more difficult to justify capital for the one downtown, or at least delay the development significantly.

Your main option - I would guess - would be to now focus on a new arena downtown and pair a hotel/convention centre with that.
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