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Old Posted Nov 9, 2020, 3:53 AM
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The residents around Richmond Brighouse are very NIMBY, the City of Richmond is happy to oblige and this has been a constant thorn in the side for TL/CMBC. Many of the bus bays at Brighouse were actually located at Saba when the Canada Line opened; their opposition in 2010 was the reason some of the buses were moved to far-away bus bays on No. 3 Road and Cook Road.

In 2018 they raised ire again when the 410 and 401 were split and the 406 and 408 directed to terminate/layover on Saba Road. The significant noise improvements of Richmond's bus fleet (with the majority of buses at the time being brand new New Flyer XD40s) did not sway residents, who complained and forced CMBC to move the termini/layover of those routes several blocks north to Ackroyd Road. (Though these routes have since been moved into the new bus loop).

(the above chronicled in the following Richmond Council document: https://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/TransitCirculation_Brighouse_PWT_03201953094.pdf)

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The bus loop itself was historically planned and even termed as a "bus mall" due to the assumption that there would be an access point for buses on both sides. Sometime during the process, the City of Richmond decided to side with any number of concerned residents and mandated the loop design with no bus access from the east side (Buswell Street), presumably to prevent any likelihood of buses laying over on Buswell Street.

Although I am unfortunately unable to track down the specific minutes and documents, there are some references to the decisions in this report on development permits dated July 11, 2019: https://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/DP_Chairs_Buswell_CNCL_07221954224.pdf

This document and the previous one also make it clear that the operation plan of the bus loop is to accommodate only the six routes that have been moved there now (402, 404, 406, 408, 414, N10). One of the factors to TransLink having not moved more routes into the loop is actually that idling in the bus loop is not allowed. This is a rule that was likely among the requirements imposed by Richmond City Council after resident complaints. Meaning only terminating routes in the loop, and no through routes (like 403, 407, etc).

But ultimately, the biggest limitation is the loop design and lack of east-side access from Buswell Street. The need to accommodate five bus layover bays (for five daytime bus routes and one Night Bus) within the loop means that the remaining space allows for only two bus loading bays and two bus unloading bays.
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At the Panel meeting held on June 26, 2019, Architects ... provided a brief presentation, noting that:
  • Access to the Bus Mall loop is provided from No. 3 Road.
  • The Bus Mall includes two bus loading bays on the north side, two unloading bays on the south side, five bus layover bays, a Handy Dart bay and three parking stalls for temporary parking of maintenance vehicles.
  • A secondary public pedestrian and emergency vehicle access route are provided from the eastern end of the Bus Mall to Buswell Street secured with a statutory Right-of-Way.
The City of Richmond also appears to be interested in approving one change that will prevent buses from ever having that east side access, because residents nearby are concerned about - you guessed it - the glare from bus headlights.
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  • A 12 ft. high acoustic wall along the eastern end of the Bus Mall is proposed to mitigate noise and block headlight glare from the Bus Mall to the townhouses in the Emporio building to the north. There is a row of trees planted in front of the acoustic wall.
The fact that the 401, 410 and 416 are not moving in the loop tells me that the loop is definitely at capacity and cannot add further routes.

This also means that the future Richmond to Expo Line RapidBus route will be boarding on No. 3 Road instead of utilizing the new bus loop.

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Old Posted Nov 9, 2020, 9:03 AM
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I member reading that RCC wanted the bus bays spread out on the streets to make it more lively or an off-street bus loop made things to sterile or some weird reason.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 2:31 AM
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The fact that the 401, 410 and 416 are not moving in the loop tells me that the loop is definitely at capacity and cannot add further routes.

This also means that the future Richmond to Expo Line RapidBus route will be boarding on No. 3 Road instead of utilizing the new bus loop.
Hmm going to follow this up. I was thinking about it and remembered that the long term plan is to reroute the #402 bus (in the process its terminus will be moved from Brighouse to Bridgeport). That will effectively free space for the future RapidBus and it should allow it to use the loop.

SWATP also involves the redirection of routes 407 and 405, which will reduce bus volume on No. 3 Road. And the 401 and 410 will probably keep terminating where they are around No. 3 & Granville, as that enables a connection to Richmond City Hall, so they will not require the loop.

Everything kinda makes sense to me now!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 3:09 AM
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Rerouting 407 to go along Lansdowne Road won't hurt as people wishing to go to RC can hop on the 406 at Granville Avenue or the 401 at Westminster Highway.

I'm a bit concerned about the 405. Back in 2013, that bus saw little ridership. When I went back in spring 2019, I was surprised to see ~13 people on it. The first time I saw 20+ people on the 405 at RC at lunchtime, I had to make sure that I was seeing things right. That said, care should be taken with straightening the route for 405. (The current routing came from merging 405 and 421 back in the days, the latter of which actually went on Cambie Road.) Also, with the 408 slated to have the detour via King Road eliminated, people living on No. 5 Road between Blundell Road and Westminster Highway are going to have a hard time heading to RC because going down to take the 408 or up to take the 410 will be quite a detour...

Meh, I didn't know that transit planning in Richmond would actually be such a pain in the bullocks. We have an anti-transit city council, and people are too accustomed to radial (as opposed to gridlike) service.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 10:08 AM
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That new demand on 405 is probably due to the new developments (commercial and residential) near Garden City and Alderbridge. I'm ex-Kwantlen so I too have been able to observe the growth in demand.

That area is also served by 430/407 on the west side and now the 301 on Alderbridge (which was my recommendation!) which offers superIor capacity on double decker buses. When SWATP moves 405, the 416 will take over the short segment of No. 4 Rd, and that should fully cover the 405's north segment.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 2:04 PM
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Good work!
Are you sure it’s just from Garden City Road @ Alderbridge Way though? When I saw 13 people on the 405, it was at Cook Road @ Garden City Road, and the bus was heading towards RC. Hence I thought No. 5 Road got densified. (I never got to check.)
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Buzzer Blog - TransLink first in North America to test copper coating on transit

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TransLink will be the first transit system in North America to pilot the use of bacteria and virus killing copper on high-touch transit surfaces. This industry-leading project is part of a study that will see various copper-based products and a protective coating called organosilane installed on SkyTrain and buses to test how effective these agents are at destroying viruses and bacteria on transit.

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There will be comprehensive testing as part of the initial four-week pilot phase:

* Products will be installed on two trolley buses on high-ridership routes and two SkyTrain cars on the Expo and Millennium Lines.
* Twice weekly the surfaces will be swabbed and tested to determine antimicrobial effectiveness of the products.
* At the end of one month, the surfaces will also be assessed for durability.

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TransLink first in North America to test copper coating on transit
What an odd phrase. Is it being concurrently tested in other continents, or do other continents already use this program?
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What an odd phrase. Is it being concurrently tested in other continents, or do other continents already use this program?
Also an option is that they just didn't want to have to look up if other agencies off-continent are doing it.
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Well, it's broader than just saying first in Canada.
     
     
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Well, it's broader than just saying first in Canada.
At least they didn't say "first in Vancouver"...
     
     
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R6 Rapidbus

Translink is preparing to launch the next Rapidbus on Scott road/120th St.
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Translink is preparing to launch the next Rapidbus on Scott road/120th St.
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Yeah Express691 brought that up a couple pages ago. It's a good thing "the upcoming R6 RapidBus public engagement" is 'coming soon' as they haven't done anything about the lack of a stop near Scottsdale Exchange.
     
     
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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translin...67iwLbMfx2yFdc86vkUVFoeb6GJhIFdVhyBGtokk

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One thing is for certain: the bus driver was trying to squeeze in some exercise during a sedentary job.

A customer service representative for TransLink commented on the Facebook post: “I apologise for your experience with our services this morning. In order for me to submit this feedback to be looked in to further, can you please provide your best contact number and email. I will also need to know the bus route number, your starting location and the scheduled arrival time of this service.”

But this was a response from the wrong TransLink — the public transit authority for Brisbane in Australia that carries the same name.
     
     
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Meh, I didn't know that transit planning in Richmond would actually be such a pain in the bullocks. We have an anti-transit city council, and people are too accustomed to radial (as opposed to gridlike) service.
Politics and local demand aside, the geography doesn't lend itself to a grid just yet - all the density and rapid transit is squished into a corner like Surrey's is. You'd need an extension south to Steveston or Riverport.
     
     
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Regarding the R6 not stopping at Scottsdale, there was this quote on a separate transit forum site:

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"The new R6 RapidBus route does not enter Scottsdale exchange to ensure fast and reliable travel times. The R6 will not loop behind the mall or go around the bus loop and will therefore be able to provide a more direct service. Customers can still connect to other local routes as the R6 will stop at the Scott Rd and 72nd stop, or other along the route that share the stop.
By not stopping in Scottsdale exchange the R6 RapidBus is able to stop on 72nd and Scott road whilst keeping to an 800M distance between stops. This means there is a shorter walking distance to access major destinations such as the Guru Nanak Gurdwara or the Scottsdale Centre mall."

The R6 would connect to every local route that stops at Scottsdale Exchange, but I still think having a single key transfer location is better than 3 separate areas (84th Ave for 329, Scott Rd @ 72nd Ave for 310, 311, 312, 316, 340, 364, 391, and 124th St for 322).
     
     
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Let’s see what people say. They’ve already requested that 368 go through Newton Exchange.
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Let’s see what people say. They’ve already requested that 368 go through Newton Exchange.
I don't mind the R6 not going into Scottsdale Exchange as long as there's a stop near it. Shifting the 75A Ave stop over by one stop would do it - and it's not written in stone that all the stops have to be 800m from each other.

It'll be easier to have the 368 stop at Newton Exchange if they ever get around to moving it as planned...
     
     
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On the topic of road tolls in Vancouver; apparently, that plan has fallen apart, because the City does not have the legal authority to implement road tolls:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-metro-core-mobility-pricing-kennedy-stewart

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Even if Vancouver City Council decides to push forward with a city staff proposal to implement road tolls within the Metro Core area, it does not have the real powers to do so.

On Thursday, during his annual speech to the Greater Vancouver Board of Trade (GVBOT), Mayor Kennedy Stewart addressed concerns raised with regards to the mobility pricing proposal for downtown Vancouver and Central Broadway by city staff as part of the municipal government’s new Climate Emergency Action Plan (CEAP).

“As it turns out, the City of Vancouver does not even have the legal authority to put something like this in place,” said Stewart, who suggested that any city council decision will instead lead to more study.

The legal authority lies with the provincial government, which previously indicated it is opposed to tolls, given its position on charging a fee for using the Port Mann and Golden Ears bridges.
     
     
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On the topic of road tolls in Vancouver; apparently, that plan has fallen apart, because the City does not have the legal authority to implement road tolls
Don't forget that the city may be able to persuade the provincial government to cooperate. The NDP is probably amenable to something like this that might cut down on car usage and reduce pollution and CO2 emissions, and they're a lot more city-friendly than the Liberals were.
     
     
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