Canadian Airport Thread II

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Thanks for sharing. If construction were to commence in 2026, I wonder how many years it’ll take to complete? Can probably open up the two piers in phases.

I can confirm this, its multi billion and 5-10 years build out.

[thenoflyzone]

About time this is announced. YYZ should have built at least 1 of those piers (properly, not the half-assed attempt they have now) years ago!

YYZ and YUL are playing catchup, but at least we now know construction will start at both airports in the near future.

[IRT_BMT_IND]

I said this on UT, but the proposed YYZ expansion (assuming the renderings reflect the actual plans) seems pretty well laid out and will address two big operational problems with T1, by having international domestic swing gates and putting the preclearance area on its own floor (like the Z pier at FRA), rather than using linear separation and using movable walls and doors (this also means the different parts of the airport will feel less walled off from each other). So flights bound for both the US and other parts of the world can load at the same time from adjacent gates, with precleared passengers kept separated on a dedicated floor. Or a 777 can arrive from YVR, deplane passengers into the domestic area, and then load international passengers to HND without having to tow the plane across the terminal.

The downside to this kind of design will be lots of walking for connecting passenger (if the GTAA is smart they will build walkways under the apron between the piers) and the internal layout of the terminal will likely be diabolically complex (if you've been through FRA you'll get what I mean).

[fanofYOW]

We'll hear about YOW's terminal expansion plans this year as well. Obviously not to the same degree as YYZ or YUL but still pretty exciting.

https://obj.ca/airport-ceo-expansion...emand-leisure/

"We currently have studies underway to plan for expansion. This will be a multi-year effort that will impact our operations for years to come.” He added, “Expect to hear more on our expansion plan in 12 to 18 months.”

[Calfan12]

The simpleflying article about Condor Airlines summer season (S25) flight ✈️ cuts. Yep Edmonton YEG/ Halifax YHZ are the only 2 cuts for their Canada schedule. https://simpleflying.com/condor-reji...s-canada-cuts/

[casper]

Originally Posted by IRT_BMT_IND

I said this on UT, but the proposed YYZ expansion (assuming the renderings reflect the actual plans) seems pretty well laid out and will address two big operational problems with T1, by having international domestic swing gates and putting the preclearance area on its own floor (like the Z pier at FRA), rather than using linear separation and using movable walls and doors (this also means the different parts of the airport will feel less walled off from each other). So flights bound for both the US and other parts of the world can load at the same time from adjacent gates, with precleared passengers kept separated on a dedicated floor. Or a 777 can arrive from YVR, deplane passengers into the domestic area, and then load international passengers to HND without having to tow the plane across the terminal.

The downside to this kind of design will be lots of walking for connecting passenger (if the GTAA is smart they will build walkways under the apron between the piers) and the internal layout of the terminal will likely be diabolically complex (if you've been through FRA you'll get what I mean).

Well there is already lots of walking with YYZ, especially going from domestic to international. I was through their last month connecting between AC and TAP Air Portugal and I see in addition to losts of walking some T1 international now involves a bus ride out to the infield terminal.

I do like the plans.

[LO 044]

I think the plans look good as well. I'm also wondering if construction of Pier G will conflict with any of the aircraft gates on the east side of Pier F. If that is the case, perhaps YYZ will build Pier H first. Then aircraft from the east side of Pier F can be accommodated in the interim at Pier H. In the mean time, the expansion can be finalized with the construction of Pier G. Interesting next couple of years.

[Justanothermember]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it looks like Play is pulling out of Hamilton.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250106-ogns25cxld

All that's left for passenger service at YHM of significance is WS to YYC. It's amazing how far YHM has fallen in terms of passenger service. I guess their best bet is to focus on cargo.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it looks like Play is pulling out of Hamilton.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250106-ogns25cxld

All that's left for passenger service at YHM of significance is WS to YYC. It's amazing how far YHM has fallen in terms of passenger service. I guess their best bet is to focus on cargo.

That’s too bad. I heard it was a popular route. Two easy airports to navigate as well.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it looks like Play is pulling out of Hamilton.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250106-ogns25cxld

All that's left for passenger service at YHM of significance is WS to YYC. It's amazing how far YHM has fallen in terms of passenger service. I guess their best bet is to focus on cargo.

Unfortunately that was to be expected with Play's change in business strategy from the ULCC equivalent of FI to being mainly a point-to-point leisure carrier.

YHM's best bet for attracting new air service should be targeting PD for twice daily service to YOW. That'd open up all of eastern Canada and some transborder to YHM.

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Unfortunately that was to be expected with Play's change in business strategy from the ULCC equivalent of FI to being mainly a point-to-point leisure carrier.

YHM's best bet for attracting new air service should be targeting PD for twice daily service to YOW. That'd open up all of eastern Canada and some transborder to YHM.

Not sure if Porter wants to be in a third airport in the GTHA area. Makes more sense for them just to keep frequencies up in Toronto where business demand is high and just a much larger market.
They would need a big incentive from the airport to start flying from Hamilton.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Not sure if Porter wants to be in a third airport in the GTHA area. Makes more sense for them just to keep frequencies up in Toronto where business demand is high and just a much larger market.
They would need a big incentive from the airport to start flying from Hamilton.

Being a spoke though is a much different thing than being a base or hub. YXU and YKF would also greatly benefit from a twice daily YOW DH4 feeder service. Last summer's DH4 schedule, and this winter's too, there's over three lines worth of flying slack in the fleet. That's plenty of slack to operate all three twice daily...and room for more still like a daily YQG turn.

[IRT_BMT_IND]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Unfortunately that was to be expected with Play's change in business strategy from the ULCC equivalent of FI to being mainly a point-to-point leisure carrier.

YHM's best bet for attracting new air service should be targeting PD for twice daily service to YOW. That'd open up all of eastern Canada and some transborder to YHM.

YHM is just too far from most of the GTA and is just too hard to get to. Being on the wrong side of the 403 chokepoint through Hamilton mountain is really the Achilles heel. From parts of Peel and York region if traffic is bad it can be 2 hours to YHM by car if one doesn't shell out for the 407. Maybe if Canada ever gets Ryanair style LCCs they will use Hamilton much like Ryanair uses "Frankfurt"/Hahn airport (and they could sell tickets on chartered coaches to downtown Toronto that cost as much as the flight).

YHM is also competing with Buffalo airport for traffic originating in the Hamilton/Niagara/Haldimand area.

[Calfan12]

VIRGIN ATLANTIC NS25 NETWORK CHANGES – 29DEC24

London Heathrow – Toronto eff 30MAR25 Planned 1 daily service resumption unchanged, 787-9 replaces initially filed A330-300/-900neo (Virgin last served Canada with London Heathrow – Vancouver May 2012 – Oct 2014, Toronto last served from London Gatwick Jun – Oct 2001)

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250101-vsns25

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by IRT_BMT_IND

YHM is just too far from most of the GTA and is just too hard to get to. Being on the wrong side of the 403 chokepoint through Hamilton mountain is really the Achilles heel. From parts of Peel and York region if traffic is bad it can be 2 hours to YHM by car if one doesn't shell out for the 407. Maybe if Canada ever gets Ryanair style LCCs they will use Hamilton much like Ryanair uses "Frankfurt"/Hahn airport (and they could sell tickets on chartered coaches to downtown Toronto that cost as much as the flight).

YHM is also competing with Buffalo airport for traffic originating in the Hamilton/Niagara/Haldimand area.

This isn't a big issue for the local market, its actually large. Hamilton is 600,000 people, Brantford is 110,000, Niagara region 460,000. You have a region of 1.1 Million without the GTA. For these people Hamilton should make more sense than YYZ. The issue is its just to close to Toronto for airlines to send real resources or invest. There is a reason Porter has never mentioned Hamilton as a potential. They could have a plane there for Ottawa or they can add another daily into Toronto where they would make more money.

They should be throwing incentives at WestJet if they want to have a new Airline and add routes to Winnipeg, Halifax, Montreal (when new terminal opens), Edmonton and St Johns. Realistically WestJet won't do it without big incentives either now days.

[hollywoodcory]

YYC has finally updated their monthly stats. They dropped September-November in one go.

September 2024:

Domestic: 1,179,194 -1.5%
Transborder: 365,548 +6.6%
International: 199,273 +5.8%
September 2024 Total: 1,744,015 +0.9%

October 2024:

Domestic: 1,152,354 +1.8%
Transborder: 313,788 -3.2%
International: 178,160 +6.2%
October 2024 Total: 1,644,302 +1.2%

November 2024:
Domestic: 924,763 +2.8%
Transborder: 273,512 -0.1%
International: 188,611 +15.2%
November 2024 Total: 1,386,886 +3.8%

2024 YTD: 17,416,494 +2.06%

After months of down domestic numbers, they are slowly showing improvements with US traffic slowing. Non-US international continues to be up.

If trends hold, will probably finish 2024 with about 18.9 M.

[Dominion301]

YHZ's November 2024 traffic:

Sector / 2019 / 2023 / 2024 / % Change vs 23 / vs 19
Dom: 237,345 / 201,335 / 233,079 / +15.8% / -1.8%
TB: 19,265 / 14,633 / 19,773 / +35.1% / +2.6%
Int'l: 2,281 / 7,521 / 11,246 / +49.5% / +393.0%
TTL: 258,891 / 223,489 / 264,098 / +18.2% / +2.0%

Year-to-Date:

Sector / 2019 / 2023 / 2024 / % Change vs 23 / vs 19
Dom: 3,264,028 / 2,863,148 / 2,996,022 / +4.6% / -8.2%
TB: 339,767 / 182,011 / 290,973 / +59.9% / -14.4%
Int'l: 300,003 / 296,425 / 421,424 / +42.2% / +40.5%
TTL: 3,903,798 / 3,341,584 / 3,708,419 / +11.0% / -5.0%

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

YYC has finally updated their monthly stats. They dropped September-November in one go.

September 2024:

Domestic: 1,179,194 -1.5%
Transborder: 365,548 +6.6%
International: 199,273 +5.8%
September 2024 Total: 1,744,015 +0.9%

October 2024:

Domestic: 1,152,354 +1.8%
Transborder: 313,788 -3.2%
International: 178,160 +6.2%
October 2024 Total: 1,644,302 +1.2%

November 2024:
Domestic: 924,763 +2.8%
Transborder: 273,512 -0.1%
International: 188,611 +15.2%
November 2024 Total: 1,386,886 +3.8%

2024 YTD: 17,416,494 +2.06%

After months of down domestic numbers, they are slowly showing improvements with US traffic slowing. Non-US international continues to be up.

If trends hold, will probably finish 2024 with about 18.9 M.

Nice,thanks for the update . Calgary YYC is doing ok ✅ .
https://www.yyc.com/portals/0/WebsiteStats-November.pdf

[Calfan12]

JETBLUE NS25 BOSTON – VANCOUVER AIRCRAFT CHANGES

JetBlue Airways in Northern summer 2025 season schedules aircraft changes on Boston – Vancouver route. The seasonal service in 2025, scheduled from 12JUN25 to 02SEP25, is scheduled with Airbus A220-300, instead of A320.

B6049 BOS1630 – 1935YVR 223 D
B6050 YVR240 – 0500+1BOS 223 D

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250107-b6ns25bosyvr

[Calfan12]

AIR CANADA NS25 A220 DOMESTIC NETWORK ADDITIONS

Air Canada in Northern summer 2025 season intends to expand Airbus A220-operating routes within Canada, based on schedule listing as of 05JAN25. Further changes to planned A220 domestic additions remain highly possible.

Calgary – Ottawa 02SEP25 – 25OCT25 1 daily (A220 last operated this route until Oct 2023)
Calgary – Vancouver 01MAY25 – 25OCT25 1 daily (A220 last operated this route until Oct 2023)
Montreal – Kelowna 07JUN25 – 30AUG25 1 weekly (A220 last operated this route until Apr 2023)
Montreal – Victoria 06JUN25 – 01SEP25 5 weekly

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250107-acns25220ca