Vancouver Construction Crane Count

[jollyburger]

There's two cranes over in Moodyville but it looks like one is almost completed (Morrison on the Park?) and the second was one of those tinier cranes operated from the ground,

[Metro-One]

Well a direct comparison is impossible anyways.

For example, Toronto itself is akin to Vancouver, Burnaby and New West being a single city.

Also, what does Toronto mean? Do those stats include Mississauga and other burbs?

And all the crane data from every city is likely to be hobby / volunteer based with varying levels of accuracy and definitions for the city in question.

So in the end it is just a fun imperfect gauge.

For example, many of the graphics shown didn’t even include Vancouver at all but showed Calgary and Seattle.

So take it for what it is.

[Changing City]

It's possible that the Rider Levett Bucknall crane count is the source. That includes Calgary and Toronto, but not Vancouver (as the company don't have an office here).

[madog222]

^ Yes, it's from RLB.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

There's two cranes over in Moodyville but it looks like one is almost completed (Morrison on the Park?) and the second was one of those tinier cranes operated from the ground,

That self-erecting crane should be the one at 365 Residence.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by vanman

I find it hard to believe that Vancouver has nearly as many cranes up as Toronto. Maybe he's comparing metro Vancouver to Toronto proper?

The numbers are pretty similar mostly because of the size of projects in Toronto. 2 cranes will be building a 70 storey tower with 700 units while 2 cranes in vancouver will be building a 5 floor block with 175 units.

Just look at the Richmond Centre development, 7 cranes for 1,200 units. That's two towers worth of units in Toronto.

[interchange42]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Well a direct comparison is impossible anyways.

For example, Toronto itself is akin to Vancouver, Burnaby and New West being a single city.

Also, what does Toronto mean? Do those stats include Mississauga and other burbs?

And all the crane data from every city is likely to be hobby / volunteer based with varying levels of accuracy and definitions for the city in question.

So in the end it is just a fun imperfect gauge.

For example, many of the graphics shown didn’t even include Vancouver at all but showed Calgary and Seattle.

So take it for what it is.

Hi there, one of UrbanToronto's admins chiming in here!

I run the crane count for the our area on UT, and I have those same questions regarding the RLB list. They never state what constitutes Toronto, or Calgary for that matter (like, is Airdire counted for example, or is that too far north of Calgary?) while with so many satellite cities/burbs around Toronto, I have no idea which ones they add in to their counts and which they omit. I think they add some in as their count is always slightly higher than ours, but not actually higher enough to capture all the cranes in just Mississauga for example, which is likely the most obvious one to include if you're adding just one municipality. Right now we count 346 cranes in the part of the GTA that we track, with 217 of those in the City of Toronto proper. We have no way of be sure that the count is absolutely up-to-date on all cranes of course, but I'm willing to bet that we are within 10 of being correct at any given time... (out of 346, I'm confident we are not too far off the actual "God only knows" number). Anyway, if you want to see how we track it, the thread is here:

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/cranes-in-the-gta-first-3-posts-regularly-updated.32227/

Anyway, I'll end by saying that the reason I popped in this evening was that I was just talking cranes with a colleague here and the RLB thing came up, I told him it was a scam, went looking for proof, and was really glad to find this thread. We may just do an article in the coming weeks about how incomplete the RLB Index is, but not until we've had time to do a lot more research. Anyway, thanks for starting the research off with a bang Vancouver crane-ites! Cheers!

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[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by interchange42

Anyway, I'll end by saying that the reason I popped in this evening was that I was just talking cranes with a colleague here and the RLB thing came up, I told him it was a scam, went looking for proof, and was really glad to find this thread. We may just do an article in the coming weeks about how incomplete the RLB Index is, but not until we've had time to do a lot more research. Anyway, thanks for starting the research off with a bang Vancouver crane-ites! Cheers!

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The include this breakdown which might help figure out which area of Toronto they are grabbing data from:

[interchange42]

Thanks for that… but, it doesn't really shed any light. We track each project by its thread, not its use (anyone can click the links to see what uses each project includes). What constitutes mixed-use for RLB versus any of the defined ones, that chart doesn't tell us. (It might be totally different from what we would consider mixed-use. While they show 139 residential projects for Toronto with cranes, very few of those would be residential only; nearly all would include ground level retail, many would include a level of office space in the podium, several would include daycare centres, libraries, or community centres, etc.)

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[madog222]

I've made some changes to the doc; mainly trying to reduce the number of projects in the "Rest of Vancouver" sheet and making the divisions of Vancouver a bit more clear/logical. If anyone disagrees or has other suggestions please air your grievances.

-Mount Pleasant & False Creek is now Mount Pleasant & Strathcona and can include all cranes within those neighbourhoods, cranes in the DTES west of Main can go in the Downtown sheet.
-Broadway Corridor is now Broadway: Fairview & Kitsilano and can include all cranes within those neighbourhoods.
-New sheet: UBC & Endowment Lands.

[madog222]

The crane is finally down at Ofiswerks and a mobile crane set up at 110 W 4th (Abcellera) so the tower crane should be going up in the next day or two.

[LeftCoaster]

I see someone broke Broadway into Kits/Fairview and Mt Pleasant/Strathcona. Probably a good call given the upcoming activity there. The 'Rest of Van' is a bit of a cluster these days and could use some organization to help keep track of the project. I think it's accurate as of today, but it's hard to keep that one up to date given the haphazard nature of the projects in there. Might be worth further breaking that one up too given the amount of projects.

Thanks to everyone on the forum (and maybe even some lurkers) for all the help in keeping this thing up to date.

[madog222]

I've also been thinking 'Rest of Van' should be split up. Does anyone have a better suggestion than just doing an East & West split?

[Metro-One]

I'm guessing that soon Senakw could come close to rivaling Oakridge for crane counts?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I'm guessing that soon Senakw could come close to rivaling Oakridge for crane counts?

How can it compare? It's 15 towers plus a mall. Senakw is only 12?

[Metro-One]

"only" 12 towers... I believe at one point nearly all of them will be U/C at the same time?

And 12 to 15 towers is definitely in the same ball park to me as far as massive work sites with many cranes is considered.

[madog222]

Currently 9 towers are under construction at Oakridge, and that's including the 10 storey office building.

Senakw has 11 towers and going off this timeline I think we'll likely see the phase 1 cranes down before those for phase 4 go up, possibly also before phase 3.

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The Services Agreement occupancy

Phase 1 2026-2026
Phase 2 2027-2028
Phase 3 2029-2030
Phase 4 2032-2033

Also said Transit Hub would be triggered in Phase 2

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/senakw-services-agreement.pdf

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by madog222

Currently 9 towers are under construction at Oakridge, and that's including the 10 storey office building.

Senakw has 11 towers and going off this timeline I think we'll likely see the phase 1 cranes down before those for phase 4 go up, possibly also before phase 3.

And they have 12 cranes at Oakridge right now.

Phase 1 has shorter towers so you assume those will wrap up fairly quickly: 26, 32, 41

Phase 2 12 storey office, 22, 30, 53

Phase 3/4 45, 58, 52, 48

[madog222]

Rest of Van is now split into east & west. That leaves 19 projects in the East Van sheet, still a large amount but eh, what to do.

To rearrange the main list on the first sheet we need one of the columns unprotected. I did try PMing Galaxy on here about unlocking it but so far no reply, I guess I'll try the email linked to the doc sometime soon.

Count has been relatively steady around 220 recently.



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qNesUxkTzdbQmtpwCuQE7K5JpP0vUvd7DGyrArjVaRA/view#gid=0

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by madog222

Rest of Van is now split into east & west. That leaves 19 projects in the East Van sheet, still a large amount but eh, what to do.

To rearrange the main list on the first sheet we need one of the columns unprotected. I did try PMing Galaxy on here about unlocking it but so far no reply, I guess I'll try the email linked to the doc sometime soon.

Count has been relatively steady around 220 recently.



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qNesUxkTzdbQmtpwCuQE7K5JpP0vUvd7DGyrArjVaRA/view#gid=0

Sorry been so busy lately working a bunch of 18 hour work days! I can help make any changes just let me know!

Galaxy!