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Old Posted Jan 30, 2023, 8:48 PM
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https://twitter.com/JoeyColeman/stat...G8tO_pG3Pw5zsw

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Hamilton City Staff and New Horizons Development Group have reached a settlement agreement at 310 Frances Ave in Stoney Creek.
The Ontario Land Tribunal hearings are cancelled.
OLT will hear from City and NH on Friday.
No details being released. #yhmcc #HamOnt
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That's great news.

Hopefully details come out soon. I wonder if they traded some height for less restrictive activity space requirements?
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That's great news.

Hopefully details come out soon. I wonder if they traded some height for less restrictive activity space requirements?
I suspect it's more to do with parking and a few floors lopped off. There are a lot of overflow parking issues in this area already, I imagine the city is wary of this making that problem worse. Increasing parking a bit and lopping off a few floors would increase the parking ratio pretty substantially.

The amenity space issue is a dated provision which isn't a real problem that I would hope the city wouldn't be pushing against.

We'll have to see.
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‘We got screwed by city’ on Stoney Creek skyscrapers, opponent says
Proposed settlement averts OLT hearing on disputed zoning variances

https://www.thespec.com/local-stoney...=&utm_content=

A proposal for three residential towers near the lakeshore in Stoney Creek has changed yet again from this one unveiled in September.

A ratepayers’ association opposing a controversial plan for three skyscrapers near the lakeshore in Stoney Creek says it feels “sandbagged” by an agreement in principle that settles the city’s own dispute with the developer.

“We think we basically got screwed by the city,” Viv Saunders of the Lakewood Beach Community Council said after highlights of the proposed deal were presented to the Ontario Land Tribunal (OLT) on Feb. 3.

The proposed settlement cancelled five days of OLT hearings that were scheduled to begin on Jan. 30 to consider New Horizon’s Dec. 20, 2021 appeal of the city’s refusal to approve seven minor zoning variances.

Saunders said she only learned of the deal’s existence four days earlier, even though her council had been granted party status and the city had been directed to work with her.

A fourth version of New Horizon Development Group’s plan for a two-hectare vacant property at 310 Frances Ave. calls for condominium towers of 34, 44 and 37 storeys — although the site’s zoning doesn’t set a height limit.

“I am dumbfounded,” Saunders said, because witness statements submitted to the tribunal by a city planner and outside traffic engineer contracted by the city “were adamant” the seven zoning variances didn’t meet the test of being minor.

“There was no way that we would have had any indicator that they were going to settle on something that is more intrusive than (New Horizon) originally applied for.”

New Horizon lawyer David Bronskill told OLT vice-chair Steven Cooke at the Feb. 3 session that Saunders hadn’t been provided all of the settlement’s details because of how it evolved rather because of any intentional slight.

Cooke agreed to his request for a single hearing date, scheduled for May 25, to allow for “opinion evidence” supporting the settlement and cross-examination by the community council.

“In fairness, they should have the opportunity to digest where we’re at with the settlement before being put on the spot,” Bronskill said, adding that the extra time will allow more precise wording on the settlement.

New Horizon planning consultant Sarah Knoll told the online session the deal consolidates the zoning variances into four groupings: location of buildings, amenity areas for residential units, landscaped open space and parking.

She said the initial phase will build a 34-story tower by the southern part of the property as part of an overall requirement for a minimum of 585 residential units.

As outlined by Knoll, the agreement increases landscaped space to a minimum 45 per cent from an initial 36 per cent — still below a bylaw requirement of 50 per cent — by including planting strips, stairs and windscreens.

Amenity space per unit is boosted to 17 square metres from an initial 9.8 — also below the 18 required for one-bedroom units and 53 for two-bedroom ones — by including terraces and balconies, normally excluded.

Parking will be provided at 1.25 spaces per unit for the initial 34-story tower and 1.1 spots for the other two buildings — all below a required 1.5.

Knoll said the plan also sets aside space for a five-storey parking garage if parking demand is greater than the 1.1 spots per unit in subsequent phases. If not, the area will add to the open space.

City lawyer Patrick MacDonald told the session he had nothing to add to Knoll’s presentation.

Coun. Jeff Beattie, who represents the area, said he was left out of the loop on the settlement and was still awaiting details from staff as of 5 p.m. on Feb. 3.

“I’m not pleased with the process at all. I do not want this to be the process moving forward,” he said, noting that councillors have asked staff for an explanation on how such settlements are approved on the city’s end.

“I’m finding it very much an impediment to the way I want to do business, which is being very open and forthright and proactive with the community.”

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[Stoney Creek] 310 Frances Ave | ? | 48fl, 54fl, 59fl | Proposal -> [Stoney Creek] 310 Frances Ave | ? | 44fl, 37fl, 34fl | Approved
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Is this taller than Landmark Place? Was kind of curious what the OLT would rule.
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Hamilton councillors reviewing settlement authority for Ontario Land Tribunal appeals
‘The optics are that the tail was wagging the dog,’ councillor says of staff deal on Stoney Creek skyscrapers

https://www.thespec.com/local-stoney...l-appeals.html

The city is reviewing who should have authority to settle development disputes that are headed to the Ontario Land Tribunal (OLT) in the wake of a controversial deal struck by city staff to approve three skyscrapers near the lakeshore in Stoney Creek.

Councillors emerged from a closed Feb. 8 council session to unanimously direct the city’s solicitor to “review the process and instruction summary” for staff on OLT appeals and report back to the planning committee.

The move came after a deal between the city and New Horizon Development Group averted a week of tribunal hearings on three proposed residential towers at 310 Frances Ave. that had been set to begin on Jan. 30.

Jeff Beattie, the area’s councillor, pushed for the review after being caught off guard by the settlement, also criticized by ratepayers group Lakewood Beach Community Council, which had been granted party status at the hearings and said it felt “screwed by the city.”

Beattie said it’s important for councillors to review the city’s decision-making process now because many contentious development proposals across Hamilton will be going to the land tribunal for adjudication.

“I can say clearly we’re not satisfied because of the outcome that’s happened here, so there’s going to be some changes moving forward,” he said after the council session.

“I’ve heard this feedback from the community: What it looks like is that council was not in control of this. The optics are that the tail was wagging the dog.”

City solicitor Lisa Shields told councillors that staff presently has delegated authority to settle planning disputes and only involves the applicant in discussions, informing other parties once a deal is reached.

The city is reviewing who should have authority to settle development disputes that are headed to the Ontario Land Tribunal (OLT) in the wake of a controversial deal struck by city staff to approve three skyscrapers near the lakeshore in Stoney Creek.

Councillors emerged from a closed Feb. 8 council session to unanimously direct the city’s solicitor to “review the process and instruction summary” for staff on OLT appeals and report back to the planning committee.

The move came after a deal between the city and New Horizon Development Group averted a week of tribunal hearings on three proposed residential towers at 310 Frances Ave. that had been set to begin on Jan. 30.

Jeff Beattie, the area’s councillor, pushed for the review after being caught off guard by the settlement, also criticized by ratepayers group Lakewood Beach Community Council, which had been granted party status at the hearings and said it felt “screwed by the city.”

Beattie said it’s important for councillors to review the city’s decision-making process now because many contentious development proposals across Hamilton will be going to the land tribunal for adjudication.

“I can say clearly we’re not satisfied because of the outcome that’s happened here, so there’s going to be some changes moving forward,” he said after the council session.

“I’ve heard this feedback from the community: What it looks like is that council was not in control of this. The optics are that the tail was wagging the dog.”

City solicitor Lisa Shields told councillors that staff presently has delegated authority to settle planning disputes and only involves the applicant in discussions, informing other parties once a deal is reached.

“On a go-forward basis, my recommendation to this body will be that under the delegated authority, that we would advise all parties and participants that the city will be engaging into settlement discussions,” she said.

“Once a settlement has been reached, we’ll also let them know that as well.”

Councillors also voted to make public a previously confidential 2018 “instructions matrix” for staff on OLT appeals of decisions made by the city’s committee of adjustment on applications for minor zoning variances.

New Horizon’s application for seven variances had been turned down by the committee of adjustment and opposed by the city in December 2021, prompting the builder’s OLT appeal.

The instructions matrix states that in cases where an application is opposed by both the city and committee of adjustment, “staff attend as expert witnesses for the assigned solicitor” with instructions to “oppose the appeal.”

Beattie said it’s unclear how the Frances Avenue settlement fit those instructions, but “it’s really important that we, as a new council, put our stamp on” the process to ensure it has the public’s confidence.

“Right now I would suggest that the public doesn’t appear to be very confident with us,” he said.

Lakewood Beach Community Council representative Viv Saunders said she doesn’t believe staff followed the current instructions matrix but welcomes the review.

She said she expects settlement talks to become more common because developers can appeal to the OLT if a municipality doesn’t decide on their application within 120 days of it being deemed complete.

“It’s great news that they’re actually looking at the process, taking it seriously and going to make it more transparent so that everyone has an awareness,” Saunders said.

The OLT has scheduled a one-day hearing on May 25 for a formal presentation of the Frances Avenue settlement.

Details of New Horizon’s latest plan presented at a Feb. 3 OLT online session indicated the development will have condominium towers of 34, 44 and 37 storeys and be given relief on bylaw requirements for parking, open space and amenity space.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2023, 1:27 AM
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Beattie made promises he can't keep to the Lakewood Beach Community Council. Now he's in for a rude awakening when he finds out he can't deny applications based on NIMBYism.
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Seems to be a lesson learned. Protracted development process, and general indecision will end up in the OLT.
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Skyscraper deal ‘dark day’ for Stoney Creek, councillor says
Beattie vows to seek changes to city staff’s authority to settle disputes

https://www.thespec.com/local-stoney...llor-says.html

The city’s settlement of an Ontario Land Tribunal dispute over a developer’s plan to build three skyscrapers near the lakeshore in Stoney Creek is being called "a dark day" by the area’s councillor.The city’s settlement of an Ontario Land Tribunal dispute over a developer’s plan to build three skyscrapers near the lakeshore in Stoney Creek is being called "a dark day" by the area’s councillor.

The city’s settlement of an Ontario Land Tribunal dispute over a developer’s plan to build three skyscrapers near the lakeshore in Stoney Creek is being called “a dark day” by the area’s councillor.

Jeff Beattie said the deal outlined at a May 25 tribunal hearing has shaken his confidence in delegating authority to planning staff to resolve tribunal appeals and he hopes to convince his council colleagues that changes are needed.

He said he was elected last fall on a promise of “trying to do things differently” and accepts that some people will see the outcome as a failure on his part even if the plan had been before the city since 2018 and already appealed to the tribunal.

“I’m very disappointed that the worst-case scenario has come true. The only options that I have available to me now are going to be how to mitigate the impact of this on the community,” Beattie said.

“I know that there was an expectation that a new councillor was going to be able come in and somehow salvage what the community wanted to see in this and make the changes necessary to make this development into something that was more palatable,” he said.

“For me to come in after five years and try to change something in five months proved to be more than I was able to do.”

A revised plan presented by New Horizon Development Group to the tribunal on May 25, calls for 1,390 “residential apartment units” in towers of 34, 44 and 37 storeys on a two-hectare lot at the corner of Green Road and Frances Avenue.

It earmarks 600 square metres for commercial space — down from 1,220 in a previous plan rejected by the city.

The 34-storey tower will be built first and provide 1.25 parking spaces per unit — below the zoning’s 1.5 requirement — while subsequent towers will have 1.1 spaces per unit, with land set aside for a parking garage should demand be higher.

Although the area has no bus service, New Horizon said it will encourage the towers’ residents to use other forms of transportation by giving them a “welcome packet” with information on local and regional transit schedules and bike lanes.

New Horizon made other changes to a previous plan, increasing the development’s amenity space to 17 square metres per residential unit, which is still below zoning requirements and includes balconies that are usually excluded from the calculation.

It’s also boosted outdoor landscaped space to 45 per cent — up from an original 36 but below the zoning’s 50 per cent — by including features normally excluded, like utility structures, stairs, and bicycle parking and repair stations.

Viv Saunders, who had been representing the Lakewood Beach Community Council at the tribunal, said the ratepayers group decided to withdraw its party status the day before the settlement hearing because it was “disgusted” by the deal.

“It’s a huge slap in the face to the community and to council,” she said of the settlement, which reversed the city’s position on key issues in dispute, including parking, amenity space, landscaped areas and commercial space.

Saunders said it’s “disheartening” city staff settled the appeal despite a prior position that the plan doesn’t meet the intent of the vacant lot’s mixed-use commercial zoning and that changes to bylaw provisions weren’t minor.

Worse, she said, is that the city has offered no rationale for its reversal or support of additional variances, including allowing visitors to use the commercial space’s 22 parking spots.

“All of the witness statements that the city did provide to the OLT to this point led everybody to believe they were going to continue to fight it. They had a strong case,” Saunders said. “They made it worse for the neighbourhood.”

In sworn evidence as an expert witness at the May 25 tribunal hearing, New Horizon planning consultant Sarah Knoll said in her opinion the zoning variances meet four tests for being considered minor by the city’s urban official plan.

They also conform to the province’s growth plan, “providing much-needed housing,” she told tribunal member Kurtis Smith.

“The minor variances facilitate a compact form on lands zoned and designated for intensification,” Knoll said.

City lawyer Patrick MacDonald said he didn’t need to call any witnesses because the city supports the revised variances and resulting changes to the development’s site plan.

He agreed to work with New Horizon to provide a draft order of the settlement agreement to the tribunal by June 9 for final approval.

“I don’t have instructions to agree to any order or finalization of the variances or site plan until we dust those off,” MacDonald said.
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Thought I read something about a new bus line going up north and south service road coming online this year or next?
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Looks like this project has been approved:

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Three tall towers of 34, 37, and 44 storeys with up to 1,390 residential units. #yhmcc
More on TPR: https://www.thepublicrecord.ca/2023/...-stoney-creek/
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These towers are going to look so dumb in that location..
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Would have been better downtown, but they won't be any different than the high-rises along the 401 (and next to low density housing) within the GTA.
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Now it will be interesting if they sell. Huge number of units in each tower.
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Now it will be interesting if they sell. Huge number of units in each tower.
All the "waterfront" QEW builds in Grimsby seem to be successful; at least I would assume so otherwise the construction there would have hit pause.

This is a leap in scale by comparison, but people seem interested in this kind of thing. And since it will be phased, if the market sours the builder can always delay the future towers.
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Even Grimsby is seeing some pretty significant development. Site servicing construction is underway for this one right now:

https://urbantoronto.ca/database/pro...terfront.51533



It's got about the same amount of units as 310 Frances, though not quite as dense.
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Even Grimsby is seeing some pretty significant development. Site servicing construction is underway for this one right now:

https://urbantoronto.ca/database/pro...terfront.51533

It's got about the same amount of units as 310 Frances, though not quite as dense.
It's unfortunate that there is a parking lot and what seems to be no retail facing the water. My partner and I made a specific trip out that way to go to a nice waterfront dinner spot, and would continue to if this had some. It was quite busy too. Lang on the Water was the name of the restaurant.
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That's an older rendering I believe - the latest plan here has a public street with townhouses along it lining the water with only parallel street parking.

There is surface parking along the service road but that is because of a setback requirement from MTO.

Agreed retail on the water would be nice - but the new retail street to the west is turning out pretty well overall.
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Waterfronts obviously sell. This one has for a long time. The problem is no one wants to plan around that because it'll be a herculean task after decades of neglect. We just dig our heels in and try to turn it away. This might break the resolve of city/public opinion on the matter, though.
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