Quote:
Originally Posted by trueviking
yeah migs...you will find out that rail yard developments are decades long projects...that great plan that you see will not be what is built in regina....it will change many times before it is all built out....there was a plan like that for the forks 20 years ago too...things develop organically....the parking lots you are referring to are slated to become high density residential development...the forks is working on that currently.
|
You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if the plans will change.
Quote:
suggesting that simply replacing two museums with a football stadium shows a lack of understanding
|
The only person who doesn't have an understanding is you as its quite obvious you are missing key parts to what this project entails.
Quote:
....those museums when completed will bring hundreds of people every day, throughout the day to the site
|
Personally I see both as good infill projects, which is why I like the idea we are implementing both. Truth is that the stadium will include a sports bar/restaurants as well as a
Sk Sports hall of fame/museum and a Roughriders store (remember how many millions of dollars per year are generated by the sales of roughrider merch). Those three things together with residential, commercial, and development and the public squares, most people will come to understand that the area will attract hundreds of people per day even on days that don't have events at the stadium.
Quote:
that is the consistent type of activity that spurs development....stadiums that have an influx of 35000 people (20 000 cars) 10-20 times a year do not...they simply do not have the sustained activity to support other business....and the intensity of that activity for short periods most often has a detrimental effect on the surroundings....google earth almost every major urban football stadium in north america and see what the surroundings look like....that is not the case with museums that may bring as many people overall, but not in short 3 hour long bursts.
|
That is where you are continuously missing the boat, not only will this be a covered multipurpose facility, it will also include a museum that will house the Sk Sports Hall of fame as well as a Roughrider/football museum that will attract hundreds of people on a daily basis (also a rumoured CFL-themed sports bar). So in reality, our facility will not only enjoy the benefits you state that come with a cultural theme (museum), they will also include the half million people annually that would attend events the stadium itself.
Quote:
the baseball stadium you point to in winnipeg is a very good example...it was sold as a key piece of downtown redevelopment, bringing 7000 people downtown 50-60 times a year, yet not a single business has grown from that catalyst....it is a dead zone for 300 days a year and disconnects the exchange district from the forks.
|
Is that baseball stadium a multipurpose covered facility that can host alot more events other than baseball? I believe it was you who said that arenas can work in downtown cores, our facility will serve a similar purpose in that it can host pretty much any event, even moreso than the MTS Centre in Winnipeg.
Quote:
the things youngregina says sound great and are the arguments that are often made to governments, but the reality is that it almost never ends up that way....this is not the first 'multi-use' stadium ever built....there are many precedents to use as evidence of what to expect.
|
You choose to look at the glass as 1/8th empty, we choose to look at it as almost full. There are projects such as the one in Columbus that have been proven successful, its all about coming up with a good plan that suits an areas need. What you guys had planned for Winnipeg's domed stadium obviously didn't work out, our feasibility study stated the opposite in regards to our plan.
Quote:
im not saying this is the wrong location, all i am saying is that the argument that a stadium is a catalyst for urban development is a flawed one and should not be used to justify this project...there may be many more reasons to support it but that isnt one.
|
You see this is where your argument once again falls off the rails, the multipurpose facility is one one aspect of this project. Remember this facility will
be attached to Regina's biggest tourist attraction and will also include future development similar to that of the forks in Winnipeg. Most logical people understand that a multipurpose facility will attract upwards of half a million people annually on events days, not including the many that will be attracted to the area for reasons stated above. Thankfully the most powerful people in Sk share this vision.
Quote:
you can keep calling a cow a duck but in the end it will still moo.
|
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its usually a duck. Its obvious to most people what your purpose is in this thread.