Pattullo Bridge Discussion: Upgrades/Replacement | U/C

[finalcoolman]

(taken from a Translink report)

Pattullo Bridge
Replacement Project

Capital Cost = $9.00 M

Ann. Debt Service = $808 K

Ann. Net Operating
Costs = $0 K

Definition Phase
Completion Date = Dec
2010

The Pattullo Bridge is an aging structure that is in need of significant
rehabilitation within the next 5 to 7 years. The current structure does
not provide adequate capacity to meet the current demand and the
relatively high traffic volumes are putting additional strain on the structure and creating concerns with respect to traffic safety.

Given the current condition of the 70‐year old bridge, and the
estimated cost to undertake the necessary rehabilitation within the
next 5 to 7 years, the replacement of the existing structure was
considered the most prudent action. Prolonging the schedule to
replace the aging bridge increases the likelihood that TransLink will
incur significant rehabilitation expenditures to maintain the existing structure. TransLink proposes to replace the existing bridge with a
new structure and avoid the rehabilitation expenses. The replacement
of the Pattullo Bridge will be advanced in phases.

This project is to advance the Project Definition Phase, which is a
continuation of the current functional design work being undertaken,
and will include the development of a preliminary design, the
environmental assessment process, a refined traffic and revenue
modelling (most likely to an investment grade forecast), the
determination of the most appropriate delivery model, and public
consultation. The Project Definition Phase ends with the completion of
a Request for Qualifications (RFQ) document to design and construct
the new facility.

The Procurement Phase will commence with the issuance of the RFQ
following Board approval (anticipated in April 2011). The
Procurement Phase will include all work necessary to prepare and
issue Requests for Proposals to a shortlist of candidates and will
include the evaluation of proposals and contract award to the
successful bidder. The project will be constructed during the
Implementation Phase through a future capital project proposal.

[Metro-One]

I am getting giddy!

This has been a great time to live in Metro-Vancouver, I think I am the one who loves bridges the most on this entire forum (I love them just as much as towers).

In the last few years i have enjoyed watching the construction of:

The C-Line North Arm Bridge
The Golden Ears Bridge
The Pitt River Bridge
& The CM Overpass

Currently I am closely watching the new Port Mann Bridge.

It is nice to know that as the Port Mann is nearing completion it is likely that there will be new elevations, alignments and construction to gaze upon as this new bridge gets underway.
I just hope they build this bridge with a tunneled connector in mind to the #1.

[Hitmonlee]

So how many lanes will the new bridge be?

[vanman]

It's way too early in the process to know, but I'm hoping at the very minimum 6 total.

A new Patullo bridge could really drastically change the character of New West for the better.

[Zassk]

Since the Stormont Connector is certainly dead...

Ideally, the new Patullo bridge would connect directly to NFPR on the north side and SFPR on the south side.

Ideally, NFPR would become a freeway connector from Patullo to Hwy 1.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by finalcoolman

Pattullo Bridge Replacement Project

Capital Cost = $9.00 M

That's either a typo or the best bargain we're going to see in our lifetime!

Is it really supposed to be 900M?

[Millennium2002]

That would be a nice bargain for a bridge xD but on the other hand I doubt it'll survive long =O
they probably put the wrong symbol (period instead of comma) and to be fair the two are close together on the keyboard.

[red-paladin]

Capital Cost = $9.00 M
Ann. Debt Service = $808 K
Ann. Net Operating
Costs = $0 K

I think they mean what's spent so far on this phase.
A real bridge costs a hell of a lot more and doesn't have $0 operating costs.

I think it's going to be 6 lanes.

And the Stormont Connector is not dead. Burnaby already bought the right of way on Newcombe for it.

[Hitmonlee]

Originally Posted by Zassk

Since the Stormont Connector is certainly dead...

Ideally, the new Patullo bridge would connect directly to NFPR on the north side and SFPR on the south side.

Ideally, NFPR would become a freeway connector from Patullo to Hwy 1.

Looking at this article, how would the Patullo connect to the NFPR? If the NFPR is indicated by the highlighted purple area then it won't even reach the Patullo

[twoNeurons]

That's just the part of the NFPR that Gateway is going to expand. You'll note that the purple line doesn't seems to touch New Westminster at all.

The Patullo isn't part of Gateway.

As for the NFPR, you need to find a way through New West... which will likely mean one of two things must happen:

- The road would have to be rammed through anyhow
- The road would have to be in a trench or box along front street.

The first one is politically and realistically not doable.
The second costs a lot of money.

[Hitmonlee]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

That's just the part of the NFPR that Gateway is going to expand. You'll note that the purple line doesn't seems to touch New Westminster at all.

The Patullo isn't part of Gateway.

As for the NFPR, you need to find a way through New West... which will likely mean one of two things must happen:

- The road would have to be rammed through anyhow
- The road would have to be in a trench or box along front street.

The first one is politically and realistically not doable.
The second costs a lot of money.

O ok. Yeah I noticed that after the purple part ends (Gateway expansion) the marked line keeps going through New West only its gray. So the NFPR will be going through New West all the way to the Queensborough bridge? Does the expansion through New West have a time frame?

[s211]

Originally Posted by Hitmonlee

So how many lanes will the new bridge be?

If it were in Vancouver proper, it would end up with fewer lanes than before.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

It is nice to know that as the Port Mann is nearing completion it is likely that there will be new elevations, alignments and construction to gaze upon as this new bridge gets underway.
I just hope they build this bridge with a tunneled connector in mind to the #1.

Could you explain what you mean by that, Metro? I thought the new Port Mann went directly onto the #1 on the North side. Do you mean the south (Guildford) side? (I like tunnels, they make the surface of the earth more habitable.) . . . . . OR HAVE I GOOFED??? DO YOU MEAN ANOTHER BRIDGE??? Sorry, I'm a bit disoriented, living at this distance.

[Zassk]

Ok, maybe the Stormont isn't dead, strictly speaking. But I have always wondered why the alternative isn't mentioned much. Specifically, building a short arterial connector from the Patullo bridgehead to Brunette Ave. interchange. (i.e. the NFPR route)

It would be shorter than Stormont.
It would cost much less.
It would not travel through any neighbourhoods.
It would travel over/beside rail yards.

With the existence of the SFPR, it is less important to build a NFPR route through New West to Queensborough. All of that former Queensborough traffic could go over the new Patullo and take SFPR to points west/south.

My proposed NFPR connector, with Stormont shown for comparison:

[officedweller]

That could be what is planned long term - because a tunnel does not make a good truck / goods movement route due to prohibitions on explosives and combustibles transport.
We heard in the Gateway thread that improvements to the Brunette interchange have been postponed because of a new Blue Mountain Road interchange that will improve access to the NFPR and TCH.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Could you explain what you mean by that, Metro? I thought the new Port Mann went directly onto the #1 on the North side. Do you mean the south (Guildford) side? (I like tunnels, they make the surface of the earth more habitable.) . . . . . OR HAVE I GOOFED??? DO YOU MEAN ANOTHER BRIDGE??? Sorry, I'm a bit disoriented, living at this distance.

This is the Patullo Bridge thread... (which is not the #1).

[jsbertram]

Just an idea for the new Pattullo bridge alignment ...





the RED line is the new tunnel from Gaglardi @ Trans Canada highway to McBride @ 8th Ave

the YELLOW line is the improved McBride Blvd.

the GREEN line is the new Pattullo bridge.

[Zassk]

^ The Stormont connector (if ever built) will go straight up Newcombe Street from McBride, so it isn't likely to meet up with Gaglardi, and isn't likely to need a tunnel. If you look at the pic I posted, I drew the Stormont right along Newcombe.

The Newcombe route seems very expensive and disruptive to me given the clear alternate path available.

[finalcoolman]

Sorry guys, that was taken from a Translink report. That 9 million dollar pricetag you see is NOT for the bridge, lol. It's just for the 'Definition Phase' stage which will be completed at the end of this year, December 2010.

[Alex Mackinnon]

I doubt it would get done unless it was cut and cover or at least in a trench then. The Stormont connector would probably be atleast similar to Lougheed Hwy in ROW requirements, so I doubt Burnaby would be too thrilled about having that run through a residential neighbourhood.

[Zassk]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

I doubt Burnaby would be too thrilled about having that run through a residential neighbourhood.

But Burnaby already bought the right of way themselves...

Will it be the Derek Corrigan Memorial Freeway?