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Old Posted Sep 9, 2021, 1:41 PM
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Glad to know it peaked your interest, whether readers agree / disagree I'm happy to know it's sparking something. I know they may seem like oddball leftist ideas to many, so I thought I'd throw in some sources for anyone interested out there so they can formulate their own opinion:

I highly suggest chapter 11, it goes into unforgiving detail about the history of affordable housing in Canada: Policy Options for a Canadian Rental Housing Strategy

A basic rundown of what the different levels of government are responsible for on the housing front

Suburbanization of Poverty (Wealthiest blue sections are mostly clustered along transit routes seeing intensive development, newer maps of the same style for all major Canadian cities are available from a recent book but this one is free)

Being from the early 2000s they are not the most up-to-date, but they are still considered foundational readings providing concepts that help understand current phenomena.
Thanks! I'll give them a look!
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2021, 1:44 PM
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This is quite interesting.
Often there's a lot of focus on say LEED certification but not on embodied carbon. While a new LEED building will have better operating characteristics than an old building, it's not a clear win on net if you're tearing down an old building; analysis is needed as well as assumptions about the future life cycle of buildings. I wonder what this sort of calculation would have looked like for the Ralston Building or Shannon Park, and if it was done, or if there was just a desire to start from a blank slate.
I think so as well! LEED definitely has a place. and incorporates some embodied carbon elements. Embodied carbon generally reflects renovations as preferable to new build, and wood structural plans over concrete (similar to LEED's points being biased to densification, active transit, recycled materials etc...). I'd love to know the embodied carbon of new developments as then we can start weighing pros and cons of taller/dense vs more carbon intensive lifestyles, like of suburban development. This is my eyes is where the conversation gets really interesting!

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So, how did the public hearing go?
It went well! My push was for 3D modeling. Of the 4 asks from DoH, mine was the only one council has the power to change and seemed well received. I now have meetings scheduled with councilors to present this modeling tech and talk about next steps getting it required/making it a productive part of the public engagement process. Totally a success from my pov.


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Right, sorry. My bad, as the kids say.
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Having never heard this term before, I looked it up:
So essentially any new development is "bad" and will be decried by those inclined to wrap themselves in the climate change flag. It matters little if it is a large development like this, or a new house made of sticks. New = bad. An ideal thing for anti-development types like Cameron and her ilk to trumpet.

But the calculation of it is highly theoretical and complex, to the point where I would question if whatever results are trotted out actually mean anything.

Of course if your objective is to have Western society devolve back to living in caves (or as in this case, in run-down rotting wood frame Victorians), it is right up your alley.
I don't quite understand your tone in this reply. No one has implied we ought to live in rotting buildings hahah. Embodied carbon is well researched and measurable. New developments contribute to it, some more than others. Ignoring it's contribution to a project is like ignoring traffic impacts, or servicing requirements. It's another significant impact, like operational carbon, which ought to be accounted for. I'm glad you looked into it and I'm happy to talk more!

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I can't tell if you were being sarcastic or not, but at least know I was genuinely trying to help.

My second comment that you quoted was just referring to the fact that I appreciate your putting both projects on the same rendering, which I had not seen in the past. Not sure why it was included in your post is all.
Happy you liked them! I think they help better inform the way the block is changing ,that was my whole point in making them. Also, no sarcasm! I honestly felt bad that I caused confusion over such a simple oversight.

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Has the Rouvalis group given any indication of when they intend to get this project underway?

Hadrian? Bueller? Anyone....?
Not yet, and I don't think they will build both phases. Personally, I think the Robie Street Prominade is a "get approved-then sell" kind of deal. I don't think Rouvalis group is going to build it themselves - a Willow Tree in the making. There are a few elements that don't quite add up, like Zzap not having ever built something of this scale, or the parkade going down 6 stories through bedrock. That's just my opinion though.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2021, 2:16 PM
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Happy you liked them! I think they help better inform the way the block is changing ,that was my whole point in making them.
I really appreciate your sharing this with the forum. IMHO it's a huge contribution and really adds to the quality of information for those of us who may not be directly involved but are very curious nonetheless.

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Also, no sarcasm! I honestly felt bad that I caused confusion over such a simple oversight.
I'm sorry I implied as I did. I've encountered unexpected reactions when I was trying to be helpful in the past, but should have known it wasn't your intention.

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Not yet, and I don't think they will build both phases. Personally, I think the Robie Street Prominade is a "get approved-then sell" kind of deal. I don't think Rouvalis group is going to build it themselves - a Willow Tree in the making. There are a few elements that don't quite add up, like Zzap not having ever built something of this scale, or the parkade going down 6 stories through bedrock. That's just my opinion though.
Very interesting!
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2021, 4:23 PM
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I made the error, because I couldn't tell where one photo started and the other ended.
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No question. Council for the most part hates any change or progress, and loves to block development as we have seen for decades. Then they turn around and wonder why there's a housing crisis... brilliant!
Yep, happens everywhere. In Charlottetown we ended up with Halifax's former CAO, Peter Kelley, and he is putting the stops on several affordable housing initiatives that were approved by council. It doesn’t surprise me that when council finally approves a project, the city administrator finds a back door to squash it. He has the developers pissed at him.

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Old Posted May 15, 2022, 7:40 PM
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Work is beginning on the house phase for this one. Curious to see how this one plays out.
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Old Posted May 15, 2022, 7:41 PM
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In Charlottetown we ended up with Halifax's former CAO, Peter Kelley, and he is putting the stops on several affordable housing initiatives that were approved by council.
Peter Kelly was the mayor of the Town of Bedford and then was elected mayor of HRM when amalgamation happened in the 90's. It always felt to me like he ran the city like a small town. I believe he left Halifax after some kind of alleged concert funding scandal, but don't remember the details. TBH I think his tenure coincided with a low point for the city, and it's hard to point to much from that period aside from the sewage treatment plants, one of which was inappropriately placed downtown and will be a bit of an albatross for construction happening now. We could debate how much of a role he played versus the wider economic and political factors.
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Peter Kelly was the mayor of the Town of Bedford and then was elected mayor of HRM when amalgamation happened in the 90's. It always felt to me like he ran the city like a small town. I believe he left Halifax after some kind of alleged concert funding scandal, but don't remember the details. TBH I think his tenure coincided with a low point for the city, and it's hard to point to much from that period aside from the sewage treatment plants, one of which was inappropriately placed downtown and will be a bit of an albatross for construction happening now. We could debate how much of a role he played versus the wider economic and political factors.
Actually he was the Councillor from Bedford after amalgamation. He was very anti-HRM for the first few years, until he decided to run for mayor. How he was elected to run a city he disdained is a mystery to me but may help explain why his tenure didn't end well.
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Kelly won in a landslide over Walter Fitzgerald in 2000, won re-election with a huge majority in 2004 after facing no credible opposition, and had a similar but closer win in 2008. He did not re-offer in 2012 after the concert shenanigans and Bousquet's media campaign against him.

It is interesting in retrospect to look back at the concert business. Compared to the sums that HRM is pissing away these days it was insignificant, but HRM has learned that to do that nowadays they need to wallpaper it over with motions passed at Council and PR blitzes to fool citizens into thinking what they are doing is worthwhile. Kelly just tried doing it quietly all behind closed doors.
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Old Posted May 17, 2022, 12:38 PM
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Work is beginning on the house phase for this one. Curious to see how this one plays out.
Do you have any details? Have they moved any of the houses yet?
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Old Posted May 17, 2022, 1:31 PM
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A couple of the houses on the Carleton side (the heritage ones that aren’t moving, but being fixed up, and whose rear yards will accommodate the houses to be moved) look like something is underway—they actually look rough, all boarded up, broken windows, almost looking ready for demolition. But I assume the developer is acting in good faith and this is merely the first step in preparing them for the development.
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Thanks! Sounds promising, though yeah I can see the gut reaction to them being boarded up as though they have found a loophole that will allow demolition (which would be a bad PR move).

I don't recall the details of what they will do with the interiors of the houses, i.e. will they be fixed up as extra residential units, used for retail, small offices, or public spaces for the building tenants?

Any way, I'm glad they are saving them.
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I don't recall the details of what they will do with the interiors of the houses, i.e. will they be fixed up as extra residential units, used for retail, small offices, or public spaces for the building tenants?
The smaller development will consist of >30 residential units which will feed off of the amenities of the larger development once it's complete. This section is called McCoy Gardens
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Old Posted May 17, 2022, 4:35 PM
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Thanks! I didn't have the time to look it up, but I didn't remember that the historic houses were going to make up a smaller residential development.

Looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Hopefully there will be pics up as I'm not in that part of the city very often...
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Looks like one of the Carlton Street houses collapsed while it was being moved for this. I'm a little confused because it doesn't appear to be one of the houses that was supposed to be moved, but anyway, it's gone. I have to be honest, I'm a little nervous about something like this happening to the Elmwood when they move it.
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My question is why were they moving it with a crane?
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Good question. I don't think I've ever seen one moved like that before. Seems like it would be more difficult to control than just jacking it up and backing a flatbed under it.
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My question is why were they moving it with a crane?
Perhaps "collapsed while moving" is the new "burned in a mysterious fire" for a structure you wanted to tear down but were prevented from doing by heritage rules.
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Good question. I don't think I've ever seen one moved like that before. Seems like it would be more difficult to control than just jacking it up and backing a flatbed under it.
The structure had to be separated from the foundation and lifted off to be set on the flatbed for the move. I understand Leil has done lots of these transfers over the years and had never lost one before. It's always a risk with structures this old which have been modified (and potentially compromised) over the decades.

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