Demographics of Europe

[Crawford]

Wow, Madrid and Barcelona had crazy growth before the economic collapse. I had no idea it was that big an increase.

With their low birthrates, Spain must have been taking in an amazingly huge number of immigrants in a short time period.

[New Brisavoine]

At the 1991 census, there were only 845,977 foreign-born people living in Spain. At the 2001 census, the number of foreign-born people had already reached 2,172,201, and by the 2011 census there were 6,307,277 foreign-born people living in Spain.

Meanwhile, the Spanish-born population of Spain, which was 38,026,291 at the 1991 census, rose to 38,675,170 people at the 2001 census, and 40,508,639 people at the 2011 census. Note that the Spanish-born population includes the children of immigrants born on Spanish soil, so it's quite likely that the Spanish-born population born of Spanish parents remained stagnant between 1991 and 2011.

In terms of percentages, 2.2% of the population of Spain were foreign-born in 1991, a figure which rose to 5.3% in 2001, and 13.5% in 2011.

The number of foreign-born people in Spain is now decreasing due to the crisis. The Spanish statistical office estimates that on Jan. 1, 2013, there were 6,157,730 foreign-born people living in Spain, down from 6,307,277 at the Nov. 1, 2011 census. The number of Spanish-born people has gone from 40,508,639 people at the Nov. 1, 2011 census to 40,546,584 on Jan. 1, 2013. The percentage of foreign-born people went from 13.5% at the Nov. 1, 2011 census to 13.2% on Jan. 1, 2013.

[New Brisavoine]

A comparison of foreign-born people in Spain and Metropolitan France since the beginning of the 1980s. Metropolitan France is the European part of France. I include the people born in Overseas France and living in Metropolitan France as "foreign-born".

Metropolitan France:
- 1981 census: 6,028,948 people born outside of Metropolitan France (11.1% of Metropolitan France's population)
- 1990 census: 6,224,160 (11.0% of Metropolitan France's population)
- 1999 census: 6,221,404 (10.6% of Metropolitan France's population)
- 2009 census: 7,485,807 (12.0% of Metropolitan France's population)

Spain:
- 1981 census: 647,856 people born outside of Spain (1.7% of Spain's population)
- 1991 census: 845,977 (2.2% of Spain's population)
- 2001 census: 2,172,201 (5.3% of Spain's population)
- 2011 census: 6,307,277 (13.5% of Spain's population)

[Minato Ku]

France foreign and overseas born population was pretty much stagnant during those three last decades with even a decrease in the 1990's due to the death of old immigrants, a low migration rate and an undercount in the 1999 census.
We had a moderate growth in the 2000's but it is lower than the growth that Spain, Italy or UK have seen.

We are not in the case of Spain or Italy which went from very few immigrants to a big immigrant population.

[Urbanguy]

Spain (foreign born top 30) 2011

1 Marruecos (Morocco): 772,126
2 Rumanía (Romania): 750,901
3 Ecuador: 474,075
4 Colombia: 374,642
5 Reino Unido (UK): 317,950
6 Argentina: 272,198
7 Alemania (Germany): 209,982
8 Francia: 209,144
9 Perú: 198,547
10 Bolivia: 190,997
11 China: 164,368
12 Venezuela: 155,153
13 República Dominicana: 146,613
14 Bulgaria: 144,571
15 Portugal: 128,639
16 Brasil: 120,436
17 Cuba: 116,852
18 Italia: 93,961
19 Ucrania (Ukraine): 81,304
20 Uruguay: 80,571
21 Paraguay: 79,850
22 Polonia (Poland): 71,524
23 Pakistán: 68,279
24 Rusia (Russia): 66,478
25 Suiza (Switzerland): 63,191
26 Chile: 62,626
27 Argelia (Algeria): 59,201
28 Senegal: 55,748
29 México: 47,609
30 Países Bajos (Netherlands): 47,004

Italy (foreign citizenship) 2011

1 Romania: 968,576
2 Albania: 482,627
3 Morocco: 452,424
4 China: 209,934
5 Ukraine: 200,730
6 Philippines: 134,154
7 Moldova: 130,948
8 India: 121,036
9 Poland: 109,018
10 Tunisia: 106,291
11 Peru: 98,603
12 Ecuador: 91,625
13 Egypt: 90,365
14 Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, the: 89,900
15 Bangladesh: 82,451
16 Sri Lanka: 81,094
17 Senegal: 80,989
18 Pakistan: 75,720
19 Nigeria: 53,613
20 Serbia: 52,954
21 Bulgaria: 51,134
22 Ghana: 46,890
23 Brazil: 46,690
24 Germany: 42,531
25 France: 33,400
26 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 31,972
27 Russia: 30,504
28 United Kingdom: 29,560
29 Algeria: 25,935
30 Dominican Republic: 24,529

France (France métropolitaine) 2009
1 Algeria: 721,274
2 Morocco: 663,502
3 Portugal: 584,334
4 Italy: 310,709
5 Spain: 251,870
6 Turkey: 242,229
7 Tunisia: 236,242
8 United Kingdom: 151,052
9 Germany: 126,429
10 Belgium: 107,761
11 Poland: 92,012
12 China: 82,935
13 Senegal: 77,973
14 Vietnam: 74,704
15 Serbia: 68,002
16 Côte d'Ivoire: 62,041
17 Cameroon: 61,676
18 Mali: 60,043
19 Romania: 59,567
20 Congo, Democratic Repbulic of (Zaïre): 55,607
21 Switzerland: 54,687
22 Congo: 54,293
23 Cambodia: 52,522
24 Russia: 45,660
25 Madagascar: 45,085
26 Haïti: 37,517
27 Sri Lanka: 36,540
28 Netherlands: 36,053
29 United States of America: 35,813
30 Lebanon: 35,711

Germany 2010

1 Turkey: 1,629,480
2 Italy: 517,546
3 Poland: 419,435
4 Greece: 276,685
5 Croatia: 220,199
6 Russian Federation: 191,270
7 Serbia ¹ (with or without Kosovo): 179,048
8 Austria: 175,244
9 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 152,444
10 Netherlands: 136,274
11 Romania: 126,536
12 Ukraine: 124,293
13 Portugal: 113,208
14 Kosovo ¹: 108,797
15 France: 108,675
16 Spain: 105,401
17 United States of America: 97,732
18 United Kingdom: 96,143
19 Former Serbia and Montenegro ¹: 93,013
20 Vietnam: 84,301
21 China: 81,331
22 Iraq: 81,272
23 Bulgaria: 74,869
24 Hungary: 68,892
25 Macedonia: 65,998
26 Morocco: 63,570
27 Thailand: 56,153
28 Iran: 51,885
29 Afghanistan: 51,305
30 Kazakhstan: 51,007

Netherlands (foreign background) 2012
1 Turkey: 197,107
2 Suriname: 183,752
3 Morocco: 168,214
4 Indonesia: 114,558
5 Germany: 108,290
6 Netherlands Antilles (old): 79,673
7 Poland: 77,642
8 Yugoslavia (old): 50,559
9 United Kingdom: 43,918
10 China: 41,533
11 Iraq: 40,710
12 Belgium: 38,876
13 Soviet Union (old): 37,126
14 Afghanistan: 32,579
15 Iran: 27,012
16 Somalia: 24,638
17 United States of America: 21,042
18 Italy: 20,750
19 France: 20,071
20 Spain: 19,957
21 Bulgaria: 17,464
22 India: 16,500
23 Portugal: 14,868
24 Ghana: 13,550
25 Romania: 12,989
26 Vietnam: 12,247
27 Thailand: 12,188
28 Egypt: 12,031
29 Brazil: 11,929
30 Cape Verde: 11,754

Sweden 2011
1 Finland: 166,723
2 Iraq: 125,499
3 Poland: 72,865
4 Yugoslavia, Federal Republic of: 70,050
5 Iran (Islamic Republic of): 63,828
6 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 56,290
7 Germany: 48,442
8 Denmark: 44,951
9 Turkey: 43,909
10 Norway: 43,058
11 Somalia: 40,165
12 Thailand: 33,613
13 Chile: 28,385
14 China (excluding Hong Kong): 25,657
15 Lebanon: 24,394
16 Syrian Arab Republic: 22,357
17 United Kingdom: 21,883
18 Romania: 21,016
19 India: 18,622
20 United States of America: 17,755
21 Afghanistan: 17,489
22 Russian Federation: 16,412
23 Hungary: 15,441
24 Viet Nam: 15,175
25 Ethiopia: 14,314
26 Greece: 12,062
27 Eritrea: 11,994
28 Colombia: 10,823
29 Pakistan: 10,539
30 Korea, Republic of Korea: 10,499

Switzerland 2011
1 Germany: 329,971
2 Italy: 241,022
3 Portugal: 187,409
4 France: 138,411
5 Turkey: 76,906
6 Kosovo: 59,473
7 Austria: 59,249
8 Serbia: 59,189
9 Spain: 57,229
10 Macedonia: 53,527
11 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 52,379
12 UK: 43,747
13 United States: 34,906
14 Brazil: 33,382
15 Sri Lanka: 29,649
16 Poland: 24,033
17 Netherlands: 22,058
18 Croatia: 19,814
19 Thailand: 18,197
20 Russia: 17,509
21 India: 17,370
22 Hungary: 15,950
23 Morocco: 15,926
24 China: 15,392
25 Belgium: 14,787
26 Romania: 13,518
27 Czech Republic: 12,957
28 Philippines: 12,214
29 Slovakia: 11,353
30 Canada: 11,261

England & Wales 2011
1 India: 694,148
2 Poland: 579,121
3 Pakistan: 482,137
4 Germany: 273,564
5 Bangladesh: 211,500
6 Nigeria: 191,183
7 South Africa: 191,023
8 United States: 177,185
9 Jamaica: 160,095
10 China: 152,498
11 Kenya: 137,492
12 Italy: 134,619
13 France: 129,804
14 Sri Lanka: 127,242
15 Philippines: 122,625
16 Zimbabwe: 118,348
17 Australia: 116,287
18 Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region of China): 102,241
19 Somalia: 101,370
20 Lithuania: 97,083
21 Ghana: 93,846
22 Turkey: 91,115
23 Portugal (including Madeira and the Azores): 88,161
24 Iran: 81,680
25 Romania: 79,687
26 Spain (including Canary Islands): 79,184
27 Iraq: 72,974
28 Canada: 68,631
29 Malaysia: 64,513
30 Afghanistan: 62,723

Source (Germany): Statistisches Bundesamt, Wiesbaden
Source: (France): National Institute for Demographic Studies (INED)
Source (Italy): Istat
Source: Statistics Netherlands, 2012
Source: Statistics Sweden
Source: Swiss Federal Statistical Office
Source (England & Wales): Office for National Statistics
Source (Spain): Instituto Nacional de Estadística

[SHiRO]

Originally Posted by Urbanguy

Netherlands (foreign background) 2012

This is incorrect.

It's not foreign background in any case because there were:

378,000 people of Indonesian
377,000 people of German
393,000 people of Turkish
363,000 people of Moroccan
347,000 people of Surinamese
144,000 people of Antillean
115,000 people of Belgian
101,000 people of Polish (officially at least)

background in January 2012 in the NL. The rest are also way too low.

http://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/A1B76...2012b61pub.pdf



If you show me where you got those figures (link) perhaps I can figure out what they represent. It's probably foreign born.

[Urbanguy]

^I should have specified because it was for first generation & my source is Statistics Netherlands.

[Urbanguy]

Netherlands 2013 first generation)

1 Turkey: 196203
2 Suriname: 182342
3 Morocco: 168117
4 Indonesia: 112058
5 Germany: 107384
6 Poland: 85928
7 Netherlands Antilles (old): 79122
8 Yugoslavia (old): 50267
9 United Kingdom: 44171
10 China: 43487
11 Iraq: 40509
12 Belgium: 39750
13 Soviet Union (old): 38167
14 Afghanistan: 32820
15 Iran: 27754
16 Somalia: 24597
17 Italy: 21652
18 United States of America: 21565
19 Spain: 21230
20 France: 20124
21 Bulgaria: 18139
22 India: 17640
23 Portugal: 15486
24 Ghana: 13626
25 Romania: 13547
26 Thailand: 12538
27 Brazil: 12361
28 Vietnam: 12335
29 Egypt: 12209
30 Greece: 12084

[SHiRO]

It's foreign born.

Here's a table with both foreign background 21.1% (meaning one or both parent born outside the Netherlands) and foreign born 10.7% (excluding born abroad from two Dutch parents).

First column is foreign background, second is foreign born. Most countries should be easy to figure out, if translation is needed, let me know...

January 1st 2013
http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publi...STB=G1,G4&VW=T



EDIT- You're good at figuring it out yourself and also found 2013 I see!

[New Brisavoine]

@ Urbanguy: you forgot the people from Overseas France living in Metropolitan France. For example you included 79,122 people from the Netherlands Antilles living in the Netherlands, but you didn't include the 236,197 people from the French West Indies living in Metropolitan France. Your figures also include only immigrants but exclude foreign-born people who are not immigrants (Pieds-Noirs and many other French citizens born in the former French colonies, protectorates, and other countries).

So if I include all these people, we get this:

France (France métropolitaine) 2009:
1 Pieds-Noirs and other French citizens at birth born in former colonies, protectorates, and foreign countries: 1,744,378 (Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, Marguerite Duras, Yves Saint Laurent, Edouard Balladur, Ségolène Royal, Dominique de Villepin, etc.)
2 Algeria: 721,274
3 Morocco: 663,502
4 Portugal: 584,334
5 Italy: 310,709
6 Spain: 251,870
7 Turkey: 242,229
8 Tunisia: 236,242
9 United Kingdom: 151,052
10 Germany: 126,429
11 Martinique: 118,551
12 Guadeloupe: 117,646
13 La Réunion: 109,927
14 Belgium: 107,761
15 Poland: 92,012
16 China: 82,935
17 Senegal: 77,973
18 Vietnam: 74,704
19 Serbia: 68,002
20 Côte d'Ivoire: 62,041
21 Cameroon: 61,676
22 Mali: 60,043
23 Romania: 59,567
24 Congo, Democratic Repbulic of (Zaïre): 55,607
25 Switzerland: 54,687
26 Congo: 54,293
27 Cambodia: 52,522
28 Russia: 45,660
29 Madagascar: 45,085
30 Haïti: 37,517
31 Sri Lanka: 36,540
32 Netherlands: 36,053
33 United States of America: 35,813
34 Lebanon: 35,711

[Urbanguy]

@ Shiro, thanks!

@ New Brisavoine, that's because the Netherlands Statistics included Netherlands Antilles but where I found the statistics for France I didn't see any figures for people from overseas France - something I have been wondering about though. Where did you find the figures that include Martinique, Guadeloupe & La Reunion? Do you know what the numbers are for places like French Guiana, French Polynesia, etc?

[New Brisavoine]

The numbers are... hard to find.

You basically need to download a database called Données harmonisées des recensements de la population 1968-2009, then download and install a software called Beyond 20/20, then spend about an hour trying to understand how Beyond 20/20 works, then tadam, a trove of multidimensional data (I can even tell you how many people from French Guiana who had a university degree lived in Burgundy in 1990 if you wish, and all sorts of crazy other multi-dimensional things ).

To answer your questions, in 2009 there were 25,425 people born in French Guiana who lived in Metropolitan France (48.2% in the Paris Region, and 51.8% in the French provinces). At the same census, there were 26,492 people born in the French Pacific territories who lived in Metropolitan France (the database does not distinguish between New Caledonia, French Polynesia, and Wallis and Futuna). 18.5% of these natives of the French Pacific lived in the Paris Region, 14.9% lived in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (especially in Var and Bouches-du-Rhône), and 66.6% in the other French provinces.

People born in Mayotte, St Martin, St Barth, and St Pierre and Miquelon (a category grouped together) numbered 16,865 in Metropolitan France in 2009.

Oh, and if you wonder, at the 1990 census there were 20 natives of French Guiana holding a university degree who lived in Burgundy. A number which rose to 46 at the 2009 census.

[Swede]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Note that for Stockholm, the figure is a little smaller than the one given by Swede, because the Swedish population figures are as of Dec. 31 of each year, so the correct figures that must be used to compare with France and Britain should be Dec. 31, 1989 and Dec. 31, 2009, which is what I've used (Stockholm grew much more in 2010 than in 1990, hence the slightly higher growth rate found by Swede).

Doh! I've been careful about that before.

[New Brisavoine]

Here are some interesting data for an idea of cross-exchanges between Metropolitan France and Overseas France. All figures are from the Jan. 2009 census, except otherwise indicated. "Natives" means "born in".

Réunion:
- 109,928 natives of Réunion live in Metropolitan France
- 84,477 natives of Metropolitan France live in Réunion

Guadeloupe:
- 117,645 natives of Guadeloupe live in Metropolitan France
- 42,465 natives of Metropolitan France live in Guadeloupe

Martinique:
- 118,551 natives of Martinique live in Metropolitan France
- 39,660 natives of Metropolitan France live in Martinique

French Guiana:
- 25,427 natives of French Guiana live in Metropolitan France
- 20,887 natives of Metropolitan France live in French Guiana

French Pacific:
- 26,490 natives of the French Pacific territories live in Metropolitan France
- 35,885 natives of Metropolitan France live in New Caledonia (as of Aug. 2009)
- 24,265 natives of Metropolitan France live in French Polynesia (as of Aug. 2007)
- 809 natives of Metropolitan France live in Wallis and Futuna (as of July 2008)

Mayotte, St Martin, St Barth, St Pierre and Miquelon:
- 16,865 natives of Mayotte, St Martin, St Barth, St Pierre and Miquelon live in Metropolitan France
- 8,875 natives of Metropolitan France live in Mayotte (as of Aug. 2007)
- 5,490 natives of Metropolitan France live in St Martin (as of March 1999)
- 2,864 natives of Metropolitan France live in St Barth (as of March 1999)
- 1,017 natives of Metropolitan France live in St Pierre and Miquelon (as of March 1999)

In total, 414,906 natives of Overseas France lived in Metropolitan France in 2009, whereas approx. 270,000 natives of Metropolitan France lived in Overseas France.

[New Brisavoine]

The natives of Metropolitan France made up 20.2% of the population in the Nouméa urban area in Aug. 2009, and 12.8% of the population in the Papeete urban area in Aug. 2007. We don't have figures at the municipal level for the overseas departments unfortunately (in Réunion the Metropolitan Frenchmen tend to cluster in St Denis, the administrative capital, and around St Gilles where the main beaches of Réunion are located, but we have no data).

[hughesnick312]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Latest results from the French census. Here are the French communes (municipalities) which grew the most and shrunk the most between the 2006 and 2010 censuses.

Absolute population growth from Jan. 2006 to Jan. 2010:
- City of Paris: +62,462 inhabitants in total during those 4 years
- City of Lyon: +12,039
- City of Marseille: +11,683
- St Denis (northern inner suburb of Paris): +8,910
- Villeurbanne (inner suburb of Lyon): +8,677
- City of Bordeaux: +6,897
- St Denis (capital city of Réunion island): +6,708
- City of Montpellier: +5,717
- La Seyne-sur-Mer (suburb of Toulon): +5,314
- Villejuif (southern inner suburb of Paris): +4,919
- Saint-Pierre (the 2nd largest city of Réunion island): +4,748
- Choisy-le-Roi (a southern inner suburb of Paris): +4,707
- Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni (the 2nd largest city of French Guiana): +4,660
- Bussy-Saint-Georges (an eastern outer suburb of Paris): +4,569
- Le Plessis-Robinson (a southern inner suburb of Paris): +4,415
- Saint-Ouen (a northern inner suburb of Paris): +4,239
- Chelles (an eastern outer suburb of Paris): +4,163
- La Possession (on Réunion island): +4,131
- City of Toulouse: +4,087
- St Paul (the 3rd largest city of Réunion island): +4,055
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- Fort-de-France (the capital city of Martinique): -3,131
- Roubaix (a suburb of Lille): -3,239
- City of Brest (in Brittany): -3,245
- City of Toulon: -3,284
- City of Saint-Malo (in Brittany): -3,319
- City of Metz: -3,697
- City of Nice: -3,756
- City of Reims (in Champagne): -3,845
- City of Bourges (in Berry): -4,447
- City of Angers (in the Loire Valley): -4,766
- City of Saint-Étienne (in Rhône-Alpes): -6,220
- City of Le Havre (the seaport of Paris, in Normandy): -7,083

Relative population growth, for the communes with more than 10,000 inhabitants:
- Bussy-Saint-Georges (an eastern outer suburb of Paris): +24.3% (i.e. population in Jan. 2010 was 24.3% higher than in Jan. 2006)
- Le Plessis-Robinson (a southern inner suburb of Paris): +18.9%
- Le Bourget (a northern inner suburb of Paris): +16.9%
- La Possession (on Réunion island): +15.7%
- Bruz (a suburb of Rennes, in Brittany): +15.7%
- Agde (a city on the Mediterranean coast of Languedoc): +15.4%
- Bruges (a suburb of Bordeaux): +15.0%
- Matoury (a suburb of Cayenne, in French Guiana): +14.3%
- Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni (the 2nd largest city in French Guiana): +13.8%
- Savigny-le-Temple (a southern outer suburb of Paris): +13.8%
- Canet-en-Roussillon (a suburb of Perpignan, on the Mediterranean coast): +13.6%
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- Basse-Terre (the administrative capital of Guadeloupe): -7.2%
- Montargis (a city to the east of Orléans): -7.2%
- Lisieux (a city in Normandy): -7.3%
- Épinay-sous-Sénart (a southern outer suburb of Paris): -7.4%
- Saint-Amand-Montrond (a city in central France): -7.6%
- Vallauris (a suburb of Cannes): -7.7%
- Saint-Claude (a town in the Jura mountains): -7.7%
- Thiers (an industrial town in Auvergne): -7.7%
- Bayeux (a city in Normandy): -8.6%
- Sanary-sur-Mer (a suburb of Toulon): -8.8%
- Arcachon (a seaside resort on the Atlantic coast of Aquitaine, popular with old people): -9.7%
- Vitry-le-François (a town in Champagne): -11.3%

Now if we include all communes larger than 2,000 inhabitants, the "boomiest" communes between 2006 and 2010 were:
- Maripasoula (a commune up the Maroni River in French Guiana, on the border of Suriname): +88.0%
- Montévrain (an eastern outer suburb of Paris, just next to Dysneyland Paris): +66.6%
- Mondonville (a suburb of Toulouse, near the Airbus A380 plant): +57.5%
- Grand-Santi (a commune up the Maroni River in French Guiana, on the border of Suriname): +51.1%
- Chessy (the eastern outer suburb of Paris where Dysneyland Paris is located): +40.5%
- Hourtin (a seaside resort on the Atlantic coast of Aquitaine): +34.6%
- Aoste (a town located between Lyon and Savoy): +34.1%

Are you saying that paris only grew by 60,000 in four years, that's surprising, Londons population is going up by over 100,000 a year, I thought paris would be similar

[New Brisavoine]

^^That's the population growth in the City of Paris, which is only the most central area in the Paris metro area. The City of Paris is only one and a half time the size of Manhattan. What's called "London", on the other hand, is a big metropolitan region in fact officially called "Greater London" which contains not only Central London (comparable in size to the City of Paris) but also the inner and outer suburbs of London.

[hughesnick312]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

^^That's the population growth in the City of Paris, which is only the most central area in the Paris metro area. The City of Paris is only one and a half time the size of Manhattan. What's called "London", on the other hand, is a big metropolitan region in fact officially called "Greater London" which contains not only Central London (comparable in size to the City of Paris) but also the inner and outer suburbs of London.

Ok, that's cool, I thought it was strange as I had recently read an article about paris and londons population boom, it looks like soon uk and France will pass Germany by

[New Brisavoine]

The French statistical office has published the detailed results of the 2010 French census by countries and territories of birth. Here are the results for the Paris Region (Île-de-France).

In Jan. 2010, 23.0% of the people living in the Paris Region were born outside of Metropolitan France (the European part of France), up from 22.8% in Jan. 2009.

Here below are the immigrant and overseas communities in the Paris Region that grew and shrunk the most in 2009. We can calculate this based on the data just released. Next year we'll be able to calculate the population growth of the immigrants in 2010. In Nov. 2015, we'll be able to calculate the population growth of the immigrants in 2011. It's nearly 4 years late each time (due to the new French census method), but at least it's updated every year (unlike decennial censuses which are updated only every 10 years).

Immigrant and overseas communities in Metropolitan France can only grow due to new arrivals from abroad (children of immigrants born on French soil are not immigrants). They can shrink either due to deaths in France (ancient immigrant communities) or departures from Metropolitan France.

For the relative growth, note that only the 47 largest immigrant and overseas communities are included (so if the Nepalese grew from 200 to 300 in 2009, their +50% growth won't be shown here).

Absolute growth in 2009, immigrant and overseas communities in the Paris Region:
- from Romania: +3,178 people (essentially Roma Gypsies)
- China: +2,904
- Algeria: +2,839
- Congo-Kinshasa: +2,138
- Tunisia: +2,015
- Côte d'Ivoire: +1,625
- Sri Lanka: +1,424
- Turkey: +1,239
- Cameroon: +1,099
- Morocco: +966
- Mali: +929
- Haiti: +913
- Guadeloupe: +906
- India: +902
- Russia: +878
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- Mauritius: -139
- Belgium: -169
- Switzerland: -270
- Serbia: -289
- Lebanon: -311
- Vietnam: -432
- Germany: -868
- Portugal: -935
- Italy: -999
- Spain: -1,008

Relative growth in 2009, immigrant and overseas communities in the Paris Region:
- from Romania: +11.2%
- Russia: +6.4%
- Brazil: +6.1%
- Congo-Kinshasa: +5.7%
- China: +5.2%
- Comoros: +4.9%
- Sri Lanka: +4.5%
- Canada: +4.4%
- India: +4.1%
- Mauritania: +3.9%
- Côte d'Ivoire: +3.8%
- French Pacific territories: +3.5%
- Cameroon: +3.2%
- French Guiana: +3.0%
- Haiti: +3.0%
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ALL IMMIGRANT & OVERSEAS COMMUNITIES: +1.24%
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ALL RESIDENTS OF PARIS REGION: +0.51%
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NATIVES OF METROPOLITAN FRANCE: +0.29%
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- Mauritius: -0.7%
- Angola: -1.0%
- Serbia: -1.0%
- Belgium: -1.1%
- Vietnam: -1.2%
- Lebanon: -1.5%
- Italy: -1.8%
- Spain: -2.1%
- Germany: -3.5%
- Switzerland: -4.4%

At the current rate, the immigrants from Congo-Kinshasa should become the largest sub-Saharan immigrant community in the Paris Region by 2019 (historically this has been the Malians).

[Crawford]

Geez, are there any Romanians left in Romania?

I go to Italy, and it seems every other person is Romanian. Austria seems not that different.

Even in the U.S., there seems to be many Romanian migrants.