NEW YORK | The Empire State Building | 1,472' Pinnacle | 103 FLOORS | 1931 - Page 11

[SP]Neo · #1 Posted **Jun 22, 2008, 2:21 PM**

thanks for these tips dac150. i'll visit nyc this october...will they still work in there until then?

Dac150 · #2 Posted **Jun 22, 2008, 3:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by [SP]Neo

thanks for these tips dac150. i'll visit nyc this october...will they still work in there until then?

You know I don't know for sure. What you can do is visit their Web-site and get a sense of when they'll finish up. That or there's a thread in the New York forum regarding the renovation.

I say go for it though. As long as you have time to spare the view is very worth it.

JMO_0121 · #3 Posted **Jun 28, 2008, 6:39 PM**

The Empire State Building represents not only NYC but America as a whole. The building is just breath taking, and breath giving. I only wish Chicago had a building of this magnitude, height, and style (art Deco). We only have mostly modern towers that i LOVE, but nothing similar in style as this. Maybe 2 PRU, but thats modern. I remember when i went to NY, I fell in love with this building, sadly enough, i didnt make it to the obs Deck. As soon as this renovation is completed, I plan to make my next and second visit to NYC.

America 117 · #4 Posted **Nov 10, 2008, 2:10 AM**

Wow!!!
No matter how tall skyscrapers get the empire state building will always be the king!!!!!

Long live the king!!!!!!

NYguy · #5 Posted **Nov 10, 2008, 1:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by America 117

Wow!!!
No matter how tall skyscrapers get the empire state building will always be the king!!!!!

That's true, for so many reasons. But mainly because for nearly four decades it stood, the tallest of the tall, in really the only city in the world that built them tall. It's nearest rival was the Chrysler Building (legendary in it's own right), but the scale really wasn't the same. When you talked of a really tall skyscraper, the ESB was it. No questions asked. But things are so very different today. It's exciting for skyscraper lovers to see so many superskyscrapers growing around the world. But there's really no one that captures that essence the ESB had (and still has). It's the tower that gave some comfort and hope to its hometown in its darkest hour - after 9/11. The lights shone bright throughout the night - all night, a sign that the skyline was still there. And the people were thankful for it. The end of it's 2nd reign as New York's tallest will come in a few years, but it will forever be special. In a sense, it's still the tallest of the tall.

America 117 · #6 Posted **Nov 14, 2008, 12:06 AM**

you coulden't of said it better.

dchan · #7 Posted **Nov 14, 2008, 4:53 PM**

^^ Right on, NYguy.

The Empire State Building was the reason I became interested in skyscrapers in the first place. For the longest time, I didn't even know the World Trade Center even existed, and that it was even taller than the ESB. Of course, I was only 6 years old, and I eventually learned to love the WTC just as much when I went to high school just a few blocks from it.

More to the point, the ESB made me crazy for and obsessed about skyscrapers for a while. But in recent years, my interest in skyscrapers has gone down: besides a select few, they don't do much for me anymore. In fact, the reason I joined SSP was not to discuss skyscrapers but to discuss in that crazy Walled City of Kowloon thread. I'm sorry to say that skyscrapers..... bore me nowadays.

None of the ones that have been built or proposed in the last decade or so hold the same sway for me. And the artform and distiction of skyscrapers has been completely drubbed out in Dubai and the other emirates as soon as they decided to churn out skyscrapers as if there were a factory to produce them. And I feel the same way towards the ones being built in Asia and even the U.S. There just isn't any magic to building them anymore, just bragging rights and the belief that a bunch of them can legitimize your city to the world.

NYguy · #8 Posted **Dec 1, 2008, 11:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by dchan

There just isn't any magic to building them anymore, just bragging rights and the belief that a bunch of them can legitimize your city to the world.

It's interesting that cities are doing today with skyscrapers what New York was doing a hundred years ago - building, and building higher. Back then it was the city trying to outdo itself. New York is comfortable enough with its status in the world that it doesn't feel the need to build higher anymore, but I wish that would change just a little - building something that goes beyond what we really need, just because.

NYguy · #9 Posted **Dec 1, 2008, 11:52 PM**

From jciesielski

NYC4Life · #10 Posted **Nov 14, 2008, 11:01 PM**

When the twins fell, the ESB regained its position as New York's crown jewel. Unfortunately, the day came with a tremendous amount of loss. Nothing will be more eery than watching the ESB with its flood lights turned off that night. That will forever be one night where the skyline truly felt "Empty."

Aleks · #11 Posted **Nov 14, 2008, 11:14 PM**

Hmmm.. I always loved the ESB but it was the WTC that turned me into an architecture fanatic. Too bad King Kong never really climbed this building. Imagine a 3-5 ton gorilla on top of this building!

dchan · #12 Posted **Nov 14, 2008, 11:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Aleks0o01

Hmmm.. I always loved the ESB but it was the WTC that turned me into an architecture fanatic. Too bad King Kong never really climbed this building. Imagine a 3-5 ton gorilla on top of this building!

What about the remake in 1976 featuring Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lange?

NYC4Life · #13 Posted **Dec 3, 2008, 12:49 AM**

Still the grandaddy of New York skyscraper history.

Firefightersfla · #14 Posted **Dec 5, 2008, 5:04 AM**

You have really outdone yourself NYGUY. The pictures are amazing!!! Keep up the good work

NYguy · #15 Posted **Dec 18, 2008, 1:29 PM**

^ Here's more from the classy Empire State...

(Pics from Herve Boinay )

New York's original freedom tower...

MolsonExport · #16 Posted **Jan 2, 2009, 5:50 PM**

Is there anything (and if not, has there ever been anything, offices, etc.) on the floors rising after the main observation floor (86) to the second observation (102)?

NYguy · #17 Posted **Jan 3, 2009, 2:08 AM**

I forget what's actually there. Here's an look at earlier times for the antenna...
http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Tri...les/ESB006.JPG

1967 Facilities

Today the Empire Slate Building occupies a unique position in the broadcast industry. It furnishes leased vertical space of 317 feet for the antennas of 22 stations. Between the 80th and 85th floors arc housed 35 separate broadcast transmitters with a combined total RF output power of over 400 KW. The Empire state Building Co. owns the master FM antenna and leases it to individual FM stations � perhaps the only such situation in the world. The company also has responsibility for general maintenance of the TV lower.

The tower is provided with a code beacon, and there is obstruction lighting at three lower levels. The mooring-mast section of the building is illuminated by flood-lights. FCC rules with respect to tower painting are waived in favor of tower lighting 24 hours per day.

The Future

Some time ago, a feasibility study was conducted by a consulting engineering firm for the Empire State Building Co. This study showed that the mooring mast could hold several more UHF antennas. Currently a CP is held by WTVE (ch. 41). licensed to Patterson, N. J., which proposes another antenna on the building. Another FM station is considering using the master FM antenna. Also, WABC-FM, WCBS-FM. and WNDT plan to install new antennas during the summer of 1967.

The world's most unusual antenna site may not exist much longer. Recently, the Port of New York Authority has been planning the construction of twin 110-story skyscrapers in Lower Manhattan. Independent studies by Alford Manufacturing Co, and Jansky and Bailey have shown that the proposed towers would cause ghosting to some viewers watching some of the TV stations presently on the Empire State Building. Several solutions to the program have been advanced, one being to relocate antennas from Empire State to the new, taller structures (to be known as the World Trade Center).

Whatever the future of the Empire State Building antenna site. it remains a monument to the ability of broadcast engineers and stations to cooperate for their mutual welfare and for the public benefit.