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Old Posted Mar 27, 2012, 5:45 AM
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What's more (that we know of) to put in there?....

Manhattan West 1&2, 1500 Penn, GiraSole, additional developments for the ConEd site, 1st Ave and 57th, 1717 Broadway, 50 West, 56 Leonard, 99 Church, maybe the Nobu proposal, maybe One Madison...

It looks to me that if all these--plus a slue of other pan-Midtown possibilities I've seen bandied about--come to fruition, Downtown will see it's peak restored and then some...and to her north we will seemingly behold a dip with both peaks at Rock Ctr./57th and the west side.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2012, 8:05 AM
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I did a photoshop collage to compare the current to future skyline, including the WTC complex and other recent proposals:

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Nice. It would be great if the WTC complex were to be complete by 2018.... One can dream, right? LOL.

Why is Tower Verre included in that pic? I'm sure Manhattan West will be up way before that dead project. Probably 15 Penn Plaza, Girasole and 56 Leonard too.... they weren't included in your illustration. Hell, I'm sure Manhattan West will be up before 2 and 3 WTC.

Stupid city.

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Why is Tower Verre included in that pic? I'm sure Manhattan West will be up way before that dead project.
Huh? Tower Verre may break ground this year. It will be up long before Manhattan West is completed.

As a slim residential/hotel tower, it will be built much faster than fat office towers.

Hines is securing financing for the tower, and MOMA is taking a big chunk at the base for their expansion.
     
     
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I did a photoshop collage to compare the current to future skyline, including the WTC complex and other recent proposals:





Original photo credit to tearbringer.

Not bad.



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Ahhhhhh... So fat. That seals it - I'm DEFINITELY taking Staten Island Ferry pictures during my next visit.
     
     
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Just noticed that the WTC Progress webcam has been nudged upwards yet again... Or maybe it's because of the winds? It's blowing something fierce here in North Dakota today - so you guys on the east coast aren't alone! Gusts up to 60mph here today
     
     
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will they start the cocoon soon on this level or is there more steel to go before that? I am there on friday/saturday and wanted the cocoon to get the full effect of how tall it is and you get that better with the cocoon
     
     
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will they start the cocoon soon on this level or is there more steel to go before that? I am there on friday/saturday and wanted the cocoon to get the full effect of how tall it is and you get that better with the cocoon
They aren't going to start that till the wind dies down. It's still here. Maybe tomorrow hopefully.
     
     
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Well I'd rather give in the Mother Nature than bureaucratic bullshit.
     
     
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They aren't going to start that till the wind dies down. It's still here. Maybe tomorrow hopefully.
hope so too, thanks for responding
     
     
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SBARN, you should do the same thing with this picture, if its not too much trouble, i just think it would be cool to see it from the opposite angle and at a little closer distance, great job on it btw, the wtc and hudson yards looked amazing in it.
     
     
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This is looking incredible. I've been reading this topic daily since last year, and just decided to post now. This tower definitely gives me the same feeling I had when I saw the twin towers when I was very young. I remember looking up at them from the ground and being almost terrified by their massiveness. They seemed to go up forever, and I've always been one to be afraid to look up at high things rather than down. There's just something about buildings without setbacks that gives you a strange feeling, and so far I'm liking this building just as much as I liked the twins.

There's something I've been wondering, though. It's been said that the spire has an internal staircase and at least one level inside for maintenance. I've always been wondering if there's at least limited access from an internal staircase all the way up to the beacon. The spire seems almost like a lighthouse with an antenna inside--very wide in diameter--seemingly as wide as my house, so I'm curious as to what type of maintenance facilities it would incorporate. It would be awesome even if it were off limits like some parts of the statue of liberty, where a few privileged people may be able to get views higher than even the Shanghai WFC and CN Tower offer. While I somewhat doubt this is the case, it would be pretty neat to have a platform around where the beacon is with a kind of spiraling "birdcage" around it, so as to provide a railing while maintaining the geometry of the rest of the spire, so it doesn't detract aesthetic value. Although this platform would be surrounded by protective cage, and exposed to the elements, everything else inside the spire and below the platform in this situation would be protected, with access by a hatch. I'm thinking of a something similar to this tower near where I live. It's not exactly what I'm trying to describe, but the closest thing I can think of, so bear with me:

http://www.governordick.com/tower.html

It's difficult for me to explain what I'm thinking of without actually having some sort of diagram, so I'd really have to just wait and see for the actual wtc spire to be finished. I'm wondering, though, if there are any similar concepts as to what I'm trying to describe. If not, I still think it would be an incredible thing to implement, and make servicing the beacon much easier while giving whoever is lucky enough to be up there views from around 1760ish feet high, or whatever would be reasonable.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2012, 8:28 PM
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This is looking incredible. I've been reading this topic daily since last year, and just decided to post now. This tower definitely gives me the same feeling I had when I saw the twin towers when I was very young. I remember looking up at them from the ground and being almost terrified by their massiveness. They seemed to go up forever, and I've always been one to be afraid to look up at high things rather than down. There's just something about buildings without setbacks that gives you a strange feeling, and so far I'm liking this building just as much as I liked the twins.

There's something I've been wondering, though. It's been said that the spire has an internal staircase and at least one level inside for maintenance. I've always been wondering if there's at least limited access from an internal staircase all the way up to the beacon. The spire seems almost like a lighthouse with an antenna inside--very wide in diameter--seemingly as wide as my house, so I'm curious as to what type of maintenance facilities it would incorporate. It would be awesome even if it were off limits like some parts of the statue of liberty, where a few privileged people may be able to get views higher than even the Shanghai WFC and CN Tower offer. While I somewhat doubt this is the case, it would be pretty neat to have a platform around where the beacon is with a kind of spiraling "birdcage" around it, so as to provide a railing while maintaining the geometry of the rest of the spire, so it doesn't detract aesthetic value. Although this platform would be surrounded by protective cage, and exposed to the elements, everything else inside the spire and below the platform in this situation would be protected, with access by a hatch. I'm thinking of a something similar to this tower near where I live. It's not exactly what I'm trying to describe, but the closest thing I can think of, so bear with me:

http://www.governordick.com/tower.html

It's difficult for me to explain what I'm thinking of without actually having some sort of diagram, so I'd really have to just wait and see for the actual wtc spire to be finished. I'm wondering, though, if there are any similar concepts as to what I'm trying to describe. If not, I still think it would be an incredible thing to implement, and make servicing the beacon much easier while giving whoever is lucky enough to be up there views from around 1760ish feet high, or whatever would be reasonable.
There is a staircase and a floor in the spire but it's only for maintenance purposes.
     
     
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What's the radius of the Spire?3 ft.?

Also,someone mentioned the notion for Alain Robert to possibly climb the 1WTC.I believe he's going to leave the tower alone as this is sacred ground and shouldn't be a site to fool around climbing with the possibility of death,unless it's planned like the Burj Khalifa which I doubt New York would let anyone do.

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What's the radius of the Spire?3 ft.?

Also,someone mentioned the notion for Alain Robert to possibly climb the 1WTC.I believe he's going to leave the tower alone as this is sacred ground and shouldn't be a site to fool around climbing with the possibility of death,unless it's planned like the Burj Khalifa which I doubt New York would let anyone do.
20 feet, and actually I would like to see Philippe Petit do something at the World Trade Center site. He is connected with the site due to him being part of it's history.
     
     
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Nice picture Carlos. It can easily be made into something deceiving so people would think it is part of a Fringe episode.
     
     
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20 feet, and actually I would like to see Philippe Petit do something at the World Trade Center site. He is connected with the site due to him being part of it's history.
I doubt it. The guy's pretty old now, and the least he could do is give us a preview of the roof of 1 WTC with the permission of the PA, hopefully.


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This is amazing. Wonder if an iconic picture with Lady Liberty could be possible.
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