The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion

[thurmas]

I think yesterday's razor thin victory for the pc's cements they are doomed now for the next election. If they can barely win that riding they will be lucky to win 3 seats in all of Winnipeg. Seems every time the provincial Tories come into power this provinces fortunes go down the tunes. Happened in the 70s with Lyon happened during the dark 90s with Filmon and all the optimism and growth Winnipeg saw 10 years ago with new airport revitalized downtown jets back new bombers stadium now its all a memory and we have a crumbling province with people fleeing again

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by thurmas

I think yesterday's razor thin victory for the pc's cements they are doomed now for the next election. If they can barely win that riding they will be lucky to win 3 seats in all of Winnipeg. Seems every time the provincial Tories come into power this provinces fortunes go down the tunes. Happened in the 70s with Lyon happened during the dark 90s with Filmon and all the optimism and growth Winnipeg saw 10 years ago with new airport revitalized downtown jets back new bombers stadium now its all a memory and we have a crumbling province with people fleeing again

If they can only barely squeak out a win in a safe seat riding with a star candidate who is widely admired and well-liked across partisan lines... there can't be a lot of celebrations happening in the PC war rooms right now

[thurmas]

Willard Reaves is a real star they should really consider replacing Douglad Lamont with Reaves as he is an incredibly tough campaigner and he actually connects with voters.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by thurmas

I think yesterday's razor thin victory for the pc's cements they are doomed now for the next election. If they can barely win that riding they will be lucky to win 3 seats in all of Winnipeg. Seems every time the provincial Tories come into power this provinces fortunes go down the tunes. Happened in the 70s with Lyon happened during the dark 90s with Filmon and all the optimism and growth Winnipeg saw 10 years ago with new airport revitalized downtown jets back new bombers stadium now its all a memory and we have a crumbling province with people fleeing again

But but but the speNDP, like that one poster always claims....

Here in Saskatchewan, under the conservative Sask Party we are $30B in debt. When they took over from the NDP in 2007, the debt was at about $8B, and we also had about $4B in savings, which is now gone despite a commodity boom that soon followed. The fiscal responsibility of conservatives is nothing but a myth.

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Yep. They find crown corporations to privatize, buy up all the shares, then sell it to a big player and reap all the profits. Right Gary? Right Brian? How's your phone bill looking people? Still like Saskatchewan's SaskTel like it used to be? I don't think so.

Mike Harris did the exact same thing with Ontario Hydro.

Greed, greed, greed. Personal greed. That's the conservative playbook.

[thurmas]

Atleast in Sask their Conservatives have attracted companies and business growth in Regina and Saskatoon where the opposite has happened with the pc's and Winnipeg where we continue to lose head offices or they bypass Winnipeg for ones in Sask. How Regina got 3 billion in new business development last year while Winnipeg just crumbles along with an apparently pro business pc government that cannot attract any new business to Winnipeg is just pitiful.

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Atleast in Sask their Conservatives have attracted companies and business growth in Regina and Saskatoon where the opposite has happened with the pc's and Winnipeg where we continue to lose head offices or they bypass Winnipeg for ones in Sask. How Regina got 3 billion in new business development last year while Winnipeg just crumbles along with an apparently pro business pc government that cannot attract any new business to Winnipeg is just pitiful.

Two problems for this batch of PC's RE the provincial economy:

1- They've gutted public services to a point that's there's no expectation that they are accessible in a reasonable time frame. Most crucial, healthcare but really anything related to ID's, government programs etc. Infrastructure is being allowed to fall into an even more ridiculous state of disrepair than we've already experienced. Word travels pretty fast on this kind of stuff to make a place quite unattractive to live for current residents and potential future residents, employees and employers.

2- They've done nothing to workforce development but to gut that as well. K-12 education, post-secondary at all levels cut to the bone. Only so many call centres you can have, need skilled workers and lots of them to attract investment. We are backsliding in a big way in this area and it's recognized by people with jobs to offer.


Being so focused on balancing the budget is useless. Eventually the budget will be 0 if you chase all the employers and people away, but that kind of seems to be the plan here, destroy the government and Manitoba.

[thurmas]

Probe poll out today NDP 44 PCs 34 LIB 14. This would be similar results to when Gary Doer was beating the Tories in the 2000s against Stu Murray and Hugh McFayden.

[blueandgoldguy]

Ten homicides this year already. We have seen consistently high numbers of homicides since the current provincial government took power. No doubt, cutbacks in social programs played a big role.

[blueandgoldguy]

I would think the PCs would have had a better chance of winning the next election if Shelley Glover won the leadership race last year.

[thurmas]

the sooner these pc's are kicked out of office the better as their chronic underspending is hurting the economy and making infrastructure problems even more expensive the longer they go unfunded. I am conservative and they are just terrible for this province they seem to only govern out of spite and vindictiveness and never seem to solve any problems this province has. At this point I rather have a overspending NDP that atleast gets needed items built and thus helps spur job creation and wealth for the working class.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Willard Reaves is a real star they should really consider replacing Douglad Lamont with Reaves as he is an incredibly tough campaigner and he actually connects with voters.

Douglad Lamont seems like the guy who is always looking for his car keys or wallet or cell phone!

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by thurmas

the sooner these pc's are kicked out of office the better as their chronic underspending is hurting the economy and making infrastructure problems even more expensive the longer they go unfunded. I am conservative and they are just terrible for this province they seem to only govern out of spite and vindictiveness and never seem to solve any problems this province has. At this point I rather have a overspending NDP that atleast gets needed items built and thus helps spur job creation and wealth for the working class.

So, for future reference, should we in general view PC premiers who used to be PC at the federal level with suspicion?

[P&M40BELOW]

It’s shocking that anyone who is educated would support the NDP. Every time that they are in power they run the province deeper into a hole. The main problem with the PC’s is that they believe that the public will love them if they are just better administrators of the NDP economy. Two majorities have been wasted. Get rid of Goverment retail liquor. End the monopoly of MPI and make them compete. Eliminate the payroll tax and rent control. Provide tax incentives for employment growth. Try growing the economy instead of balancing the budget.

[Ando]

You must be shocked a lot, given the latest polls showing how many people are currently supporting the NDP. Maybe if you traded less in cliches you wouldn't be shocked so much all the time.

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Originally Posted by P&M40BELOW

It’s shocking that anyone who is educated would support the NDP. Every time that they are in power they run the province deeper into a hole. The main problem with the PC’s is that they believe that the public will love them if they are just better administrators of the NDP economy. Two majorities have been wasted. Get rid of Goverment retail liquor. End the monopoly of MPI and make them compete. Eliminate the payroll tax and rent control. Provide tax incentives for employment growth. Try growing the economy instead of balancing the budget.

Government MAKES money on liquor sales so replace that with? Now check on vehicular insurance in other provinces and compare, never mind the jobs. Rent control? Right, check New Brunswick and get back to me. Your last point I agree.

[djforsberg]

This country is facing a housing crisis, that I’m sure will hit (or already has) Manitoba, and people are still talking about scrapping rent control? There’s out of touch but this is something else.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by OTA in Winnipeg

Government MAKES money on liquor sales so replace that with? .

I am always astounded at how mental bunged-up so many conservative governments are when they want to dispose of money-making operations just because they don't like the idea of government ownership. Of course they also probably have some friend waiting in the wings to purchase these operations and make a huge profit.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by P&M40BELOW

It’s shocking that anyone who is educated would support the NDP. Every time that they are in power they run the province deeper into a hole. The main problem with the PC’s is that they believe that the public will love them if they are just better administrators of the NDP economy. Two majorities have been wasted. Get rid of Goverment retail liquor. End the monopoly of MPI and make them compete. Eliminate the payroll tax and rent control. Provide tax incentives for employment growth. Try growing the economy instead of balancing the budget.

Good post, too it will be lost on about 90% of the forum members here who think more govt. and more taxation is the answer to everything!

And yes Heather Stefanson is a joke!

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by pspeid

I am always astounded at how mental bunged-up so many conservative governments are when they want to dispose of money-making operations just because they don't like the idea of government ownership. Of course they also probably have some friend waiting in the wings to purchase these operations and make a huge profit.

Interesting, when I travelled in former Soviet bloc countries close to a decade ago I did notice liquor sales were all private and most alcohol was sold in grocery stores like every other food and drink product!

The need for govt. to control liquor is archaic, taxes on liquor sales still go to govt. Brainwashed left wing thinking here holds Manitoba back!