CHICAGO | Politics and Current Events

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by 10023

^ That’s fair enough. Between the two of them she seemed to be the more centrist. But still not a Daley or a Rahm. A Chicago mayor does need to have a realization that the moneyed downtown is what separates Chicago from Detroit, and work to preserve and enhance that.

I was there for her victory speech in which she emphasized that we can't afford to keep losing black residents, but we also need to start attracting more immigrants AND to keep attracting the wealthy residents we have been. She gets it and has actual policies that, regardless of her stance on affordable units, will kick Chicagos economy into hyper drive.

The biggest drag here is not crime or violence or winter weather. The one thing stopping us from attracting the kind of investment you see in similarly sized cities is our provincial system of soft corruption. The whole "we don't want nobody that nobody sent" attitude. If you come here just wanting to invest and play by the rules and run a business. Good fucking luck, the city government itself, infested by goons of the highest order, will be your worst enemy. If you aren't using architects and lawyers and consultants and expediters that know everyone and know the system, you will get nothing done. So while Rahm did a lot of increase people's perception of Chicago, he didn't do much to tear down the walls of clout that have held Chicago down for so long.

Just think about Aldermanic Perogative. If you come here to open a business you have 50 different possible world views to deal with ranging from retired firefighter to literally a 30 year old communist. How are you supposed to deal with that? And they all have absolute power, like can sic the city on you for any reason at any time. Unacceptable and it has been done for generations at the behest of entrenched interests like unions and local developers who know how to pull the levers and actually like the system because it hampers competition.


If she can blow that bullshit up, Chicago will boom like we've not seen it do since the early 1900's.

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by emathias

I'm not advocating that different cops treat different races differently. I'm advocating that ALL cops treat all people they interact with equally fairly and respectfully. The fact that you started talking about angry, violent kids when I mentioned police shootings of innocent, unarmed children is your own racist bullshit, not mine.

Complete disagree with this - there are a lot of violent people in the city of Chicago, and for a variety of reason, the majority of them happen to be people of color - the goal isn't to ensure the police are treating these people with respect, the goal is to ensure they are not a danger to anyone and that they are off the streets.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

Complete disagree with this - there are a lot of violent people in the city of Chicago, and for a variety of reason, the majority of them happen to be people of color - the goal isn't to ensure the police are treating these people with respect, the goal is to ensure they are not a danger to anyone and that they are off the streets.

People automatically don't deserve to be treated with respect--that's a very American thing and it's a word that's just plain overused by our spoiled and entitled society.

But....they do deserve to be treated fairly. I think too many people mix fairness up with respect.

I, nor any police officer, owe anybody respect. Respect must be earned. But fairness is an entirely different matter.

[LouisVanDerWright]

^^^ Yes, but if you are treating the cop or others with respect, then you deserve reciprocal respect.

In other words, if a black guy gets pulled over by a cop and is polite and respectful like any good citizen should be, they deserve to be treated just as well as a white guy who acts the same way. That's fundamentally the issue isn't it? There is definitely a culture of treating some minorities with more suspicion than other groups just because statistically more people of color are involved in crimes. If you are a black dude wearing a suit and chatting professionally with friends walking down the street in the loop, you deserve to be treated with the same respect that a white guy doing the same would be. At the same time, a white guy acting like a crackhead and lurking around an alley should be stopped and investigated in the same what that a black guy or Hispanic guy acting the same way would be.

[Handro]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

Complete disagree with this - there are a lot of violent people in the city of Chicago, and for a variety of reason, the majority of them happen to be people of color - the goal isn't to ensure the police are treating these people with respect, the goal is to ensure they are not a danger to anyone and that they are off the streets.

Police interact with non-criminals all the time. And in this country people are innocent until proven guilty, remember? So yes, police should be treating everyone equally and with respect. In reality that will never happen, but it should always be a goal.

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by Handro

Police interact with non-criminals all the time. And in this country people are innocent until proven guilty, remember? So yes, police should be treating everyone equally and with respect. In reality that will never happen, but it should always be a goal.

Couldn't disagree more. Everyone should most definitely not be treated with respect, as TUP said, respect is earned, not a right.
If somebody is being violent and harming another person, the police's number one job isn't to ensure they are treating the perpetrator with respect, it is to detain him so he is no longer a threat to others.

It's amazing to me how this website brings us all together because of our passion for skyscrapers, etc. but amazing to me how much of a gap there is with the way we view the world.

[Handro]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

Couldn't disagree more. Everyone should most definitely not be treated with respect, as TUP said, respect is earned, not a right.
If somebody is being violent and harming another person, the police's number one job isn't to ensure they are treating the perpetrator with respect, it is to detain him so he is no longer a threat to others.

It's amazing to me how this website brings us all together because of our passion for skyscrapers, etc. but amazing to me how much of a gap there is with the way we view the world.

The goal should be to try and treat everyone with respect. Clearly in that situation, where a police officer is stopping a violent crime, it's not a priority. But on a daily basis, cops interact with people of all backgrounds who are minor offenders, suspects (i.e. the police officer did not personally witness them commit a crime), witnesses, and all types of ordinary citizens. I've had enough interactions with cops both in Chicago and elsewhere who were purposefully antagonistic for no reason to tell me that if I was not a white guy, I'd probably have many more.

Every person deserves respect/thoughtfulness/consideration, whatever you want to call it. Although I already know in my own personal experiences of jerk drivers, line cutters, loud talkers, etc. that many don't believe that.

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by Handro

Every person deserves respect/thoughtfulness/consideration, whatever you want to call it. Although I already know in my own personal experiences of jerk drivers, line cutters, loud talkers, etc. that many don't believe that.

We'll have to agree to disagree...

[Handro]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

We'll have to agree to disagree...

Sure thing, just don't cut me off on my drive home today and we can live in peace, I guess. Ha.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Handro

The goal should be to try and treat everyone with respect. Clearly in that situation, where a police officer is stopping a violent crime, it's not a priority. But on a daily basis, cops interact with people of all backgrounds who are minor offenders, suspects (i.e. the police officer did not personally witness them commit a crime), witnesses, and all types of ordinary citizens. I've had enough interactions with cops both in Chicago and elsewhere who were purposefully antagonistic for no reason to tell me that if I was not a white guy, I'd probably have many more.

Every person deserves respect/thoughtfulness/consideration, whatever you want to call it. Although I already know in my own personal experiences of jerk drivers, line cutters, loud talkers, etc. that many don't believe that.

I think the issue is more about how we define the word “respect”.

I tend to review respect as more in line with the concept of “deference”. I don’t think a cop owes anyone deference.

Perhaps I’m so bold as to assume that you take the word “respect” to be more like a “regard” or “decency” to others. If that’s true, then I totally agree with you.

[Halsted & Villagio]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

^^^ Yes, but if you are treating the cop or others with respect, then you deserve reciprocal respect.

In other words, if a black guy gets pulled over by a cop and is polite and respectful like any good citizen should be, they deserve to be treated just as well as a white guy who acts the same way. That's fundamentally the issue isn't it? There is definitely a culture of treating some minorities with more suspicion than other groups just because statistically more people of color are involved in crimes. If you are a black dude wearing a suit and chatting professionally with friends walking down the street in the loop, you deserve to be treated with the same respect that a white guy doing the same would be. At the same time, a white guy acting like a crackhead and lurking around an alley should be stopped and investigated in the same what that a black guy or Hispanic guy acting the same way would be.

Completely agree^^^. Nailed it. In short, a person's "actions" should dictate what level of respect they should get.

[the urban politician]

Cappleman won by the skin of his teeth. Good news, looks like Uptown will still be getting better and we will continue to make real progress there in making it a better place.

Unfortunately, the Democratic Dipshits of America are adding a 6th member to their caucus, as Deb Mell on the NW side lost to one of them.

I guess we'll have to listen to their whining for another few years until the voters realize that they are a bunch of windbags, no real investment is happening, and the public throws them out and brings in more sane & practical people.

One can only imagine life living in a neighborhood run by a Socialist Aldermen..... "You well to do professionals don't belong here!" "You don't deserve to feel safe!" "You went to college? Go away!" "Gangs need a place to live too!" No thanks....

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Cappleman won by the skin of his teeth. Good news, looks like Uptown will still be getting better and we will continue to make real progress there in making it a better place.

Unfortunately, the Democratic Dipshits of America are adding a 6th member to their caucus, as Deb Mell on the NW side lost to one of them.

I guess we'll have to listen to their whining for another few years until the voters realize that they are a bunch of windbags, no real investment is happening, and the public throws them out and brings in more sane & practical people.

One can only imagine life living in a neighborhood run by a Socialist Aldermen..... "You well to do professionals don't belong here!" "You don't deserve to feel safe!" "You went to college? Go away!" "Gangs need a place to live too!" No thanks....

It's a real shame because Rodriguez comes off as extremely dumb in person.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

It's a real shame because Rodriguez comes off as extremely dumb in person.

Unlike Rosa?

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Unlike Rosa?

I'm sure very similar.

[moorhosj]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

One can only imagine life living in a neighborhood run by a Socialist Aldermen..... "You well to do professionals don't belong here!" "You don't deserve to feel safe!" "You went to college? Go away!" "Gangs need a place to live too!" No thanks....

It's not hard to imagine, I've lived in Logan Square for Ramirez-Rosa's entire tenure and have never had any of these things said to me (or anything similar).

Maybe lay off the empty rhetoric for a bit? We get that you don't like the socialist aldermen.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by moorhosj

It's not hard to imagine, I've lived in Logan Square for Ramirez-Rosa's entire tenure and have never had any of these things said to me (or anything similar).

Maybe lay off the empty rhetoric for a bit? We get that you don't like the socialist aldermen.

Rosa did in fact say that “gangs need a place to live”, if I’m to believe LVDW’s testimony.

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Rosa did in fact say that “gangs need a place to live”, if I’m to believe LVDW’s testimony.

Yes his chief of staff said that to my neighbors when they called to complain about a shooting they caused and demand he force them out. It was actually "gangbangers need a place to live too" as if they were trying to strip these wanton criminals of a fundamental human right, not trying to stop people from shooting each other in the alley.

[Hourstrooper]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

Yes his chief of staff said that to my neighbors when they called to complain about a shooting they caused and demand he force them out. It was actually "gangbangers need a place to live too" as if they were trying to strip these wanton criminals of a fundamental human right, not trying to stop people from shooting each other in the alley.

2 words SICKENING SOCIALISM

[Kenmore]

-checks in to see if SSP chicago is still freaking out over socialism at every corner

-confirmed

lol