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RobertWalpole · #**2121** Posted **Dec 24, 2011, 2:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by FMIII

In the thirty's it was not the trend and it gave to NYC its most wonderful skyscrapers, all of them office towers. But you are right, the market doesn't care so much about aesthetic anymore. So let's hope NYC will only build residential towers in the future.

That's not true. The office towers at the Hudson Yards will be magnificent, as will be 2 WTC. Bank of America, Bear Sterns and Hearst are all spectacular new office towers, and Goldman is very nice.

P.S.: When one sees this tower in person, it's not remotely "fat".

CarlosV · #**2122** Posted **Dec 24, 2011, 2:30 PM**

it's all a matter of personal taste....

Merry Christmas everyone!!

DSC_4869 copy by Ceva321, on Flickr

FMIII · #**2123** Posted **Dec 24, 2011, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by RobertWalpole

That's not true. The office towers at the Hudson Yards will be magnificent, as will be 2 WTC. Bank of America, Bear Sterns and Hearst are all spectacular new office towers, and Goldman is very nice.

P.S.: When one sees this tower in person, it's not remotely "fat".

But it's not a question of beauty! those towers, taken individually are gorgeous.

No, it's a question of fitting in the whole picture. It's a question of giving the feeling of a skyline soaring to the sky. Unfortunately, those new office towers only flatten it.

RobertWalpole · #**2124** Posted **Dec 25, 2011, 7:45 AM**

I disagree. B of is very tall and prominent. It doesn't flatten anything. Hearst and Bear Stearns are magnificent. The fact that towers in the range of 200 to 250m are "lost" in New York's skyline is simply indicative of NY's unparalleled density.

Goldman fits perfectly on the water's edge.

Lastly, how can the new Hudson Yards towers which are between 300 and nearly 400m flatten the west side, which, for now, is a sea of low-rise buildings?

FMIII · #**2125** Posted **Dec 25, 2011, 9:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by RobertWalpole

I disagree. B of is very tall and prominent. It doesn't flatten anything. Hearst and Bear Stearns are magnificent. The fact that towers in the range of 200 to 250m are "lost" in New York's skyline is simply indicative of NY's unparalleled density.

Goldman fits perfectly on the water's edge.

Lastly, how can the new Hudson Yards towers which are between 300 and nearly 400m flatten the west side, which, for now, is a sea of low-rise buildings?

If Bofa, Hearst, T4 (which is the subject) had been built with a shape as slender as One 57 or the future Tower Verre, they would look twice their height. Too bad...

425 5th Avenue (a residential tower) is the perfect example of a "small" tower looking tall.

Someways, I think they should reimplement the 1916 zoning law (with some adjustments of course) to any future office towers in NYC. Because it seems the market, which decides the size of each floor plates it wants (as large as a possible) as well as our wage (as small as possible) is unable to regulate itself.

Fabb · #**2126** Posted **Dec 25, 2011, 11:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by FMIII

No, it's a question of fitting in the whole picture. It's a question of giving the feeling of a skyline soaring to the sky. Unfortunately, those new office towers only flatten it.

Not exactly.
4WTC will be a transition between the existing "flat" skyline (culminating at 850 ft) and the future skyline dominated by 1WTC (and maybe, some day, 2&3 WTC).
I guess that the whole point was to stay away as much as possible from the single (or double) soaring object, deemed vulnerable, and build instead a set of skyscrapers with increasing heights. The idea is that a herd is safer.

Patapsco · #**2127** Posted **Dec 25, 2011, 9:58 PM**

taken December 24, 2011

JoePDX · #**2128** Posted **Dec 26, 2011, 11:30 PM**

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I was at the site today without my camera which I now regret. They were raising steel, and the cranes were pulling many objects up to the top for work. I wished I brought my camera with me. I would have had captured pictures of that. However many tourists are stunned with what is going on at the World Trade Center. I heard many of them say "Those two towers were knocked down, but they are building new massive ones now down below".

People had no idea? I mean it is 10 plus years later!! Did they think this was still gonna be vacant land? LOL

JoePDX · #**2129** Posted **Dec 26, 2011, 11:34 PM**

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Ladies and gentlemen 4 World Trade Center has now past it's setback and the top part is the only part that needs completion. Time to celebrate.

Why is the "setback" a big deal? If If said "ladies and gentlemen 4 World Trade center has just had 100 pigeons poop on the last floor before the "glorious setback" would the whole country take notice? LOL

Roadcruiser1 · #**2130** Posted **Dec 27, 2011, 2:09 AM**

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People had no idea? I mean it is 10 plus years later!! Did they think this was still gonna be vacant land? LOL

They were stunned by the size of the buildings not by the change at the site.

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Originally Posted by JoePDX

Why is the "setback" a big deal? If If said "ladies and gentlemen 4 World Trade center has just had 100 pigeons poop on the last floor before the "glorious setback" would the whole country take notice? LOL

People kept asking when would the setback for 4 WTC would begin, and so they finally knew.

It's also ironic how you just came here to just try to start a fight with me, but I am not going to fight so good bye, good luck trying to find someone that is willing to.

Otie · #**2131** Posted **Dec 27, 2011, 4:30 PM**

Four World Trade Center, New York City by ariescwliang, on Flickr

CarlosV · #**2132** Posted **Dec 27, 2011, 8:55 PM**

DSC_4908 copy by Ceva321, on Flickr

jd3189 · #**2133** Posted **Dec 27, 2011, 9:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Patapsco

taken December 24, 2011

Swag.

THE BIG APPLE · #**2134** Posted **Dec 27, 2011, 10:21 PM**

^ I hea ya #!gga

NYguy · #**2135** Posted **Dec 30, 2011, 12:47 AM**

RBudhu

THE BIG APPLE · #**2136** Posted **Dec 30, 2011, 2:11 AM**

Don't mind my last post on this page. It happens when you see people speaking like that in NYC.

Today

Manhattan Bridge: D Train

Guiltyspark · #**2137** Posted **Dec 30, 2011, 3:54 AM**

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Why hello there Tokyo

I absolutely love this picture. The west side of Downtown has got to be one of the most futuristic cluster of buildings in the United States. A few more sky bridges would really pull it together.