Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[MIPS]

Got a phonecall this morning from a friend down by Powell and Victoria.
The morning started with finding the gate had been forced open and the front door kicked in. Product in the extra secure areas was safe but the computers up front were all stolen.
Camera reported that they got in at 6am.



We're out about $3000 in merchandise, VPD's going "thanks for the input. Yeah. We'll look into it. Have a nice day kthnxbi" and there's another $900 to repair the door that insurance will cover but yaaaay! deductables.
I spent my evening checking the Hastings Strip for the machines being fenced but this time I wasn't lucky.

[Vin]

Hollywood-style crime has arrived in Vancouver!

Staff and diners robbed at gunpoint during Sunday brunch in Vancouver restaurant
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-restaurant-robbed-gunpoint

Woman shoved against a wall in Vancouver ATM mugging incident
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-atm-mugging

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Vin

Hollywood-style crime has arrived in Vancouver!

Probably same guy. Arrested two years ago in New West

A man allegedly entered the store, and punched a sales clerk in the face before leaving without paying for his merchandise. Witnesses pointed NWPD officers to a bank vestibule where the suspect was believed to be. Officers identified themselves from outside the bank vestibule and provided instructions to the suspect so he could be safely taken into custody. The suspect threatened the officers, and made racist comments towards them. Officers deployed OC pepper spray before arresting the suspect.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/robbery-suspect-ar...ace-new-westminster-police-say-1.5571410

[officedweller]

and this too. Employee taking out the garbage in front of the shop was attacked with a blunt metal object and has a “long road to recovery.”

Employee of Dave & Mel's Pizzeria was randomly attacked this weekend
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/dave-mels-pizzeria-random-attack

Go Fund Me:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/random-attack...l&utm_source=customer&utm_term=undefined

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Vin

Hollywood-style crime has arrived in Vancouver!

This is pretty horrifying. A restaurant full of people for brunch with no connection to the gunmen. It could happen anytime, anywhere.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

This is pretty horrifying. A restaurant full of people for brunch with no connection to the gunmen. It could happen anytime, anywhere.

Like 100 Mile House? Something similar to Commercial Drive happened on West Broadway four years ago. If you look in the Vancouver Sun archives you can see it was a surprisingly common occurance in the 1970s, 80s and 90s. There seem to heve been fewer armed robberies in the 2000s, and more often a holdup was looking for the cash in the till, not the customers phones, but obviously far fewer people had a phone worth stealing 20+ years ago, and there's hardly any cash in the till of most restaurants these days.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Like 100 Mile House? Something similar to Commercial Drive happened on West Broadway four years ago. If you look in the Vancouver Sun archives you can see it was a surprisingly common occurance in the 1970s, 80s and 90s. There seem to heve been fewer armed robberies in the 2000s, and more often a holdup was looking for the cash in the till, not the customers phones, but obviously far fewer people had a phone worth stealing 20+ years ago, and there's hardly any cash in the till of most restaurants these days.

Making light of the situation again I see? Please come back to the present, and to this city. We have a situation here, and now, to resolve.

Answering your lame excuse that people then did not have "cellphones", well fact is that people had more cash to rob then. Cash has always been king, no?

[Vin]

According to many here: "don't bash the poor". Question is, "What about criminals living amongst the poor?"

VPD seize loaded guns and machetes from teenager in Downtown Eastside SRO
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/downtown-eastside-teenager-loaded-guns

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

According to many here: "don't bash the poor". Question is, "What about criminals living amongst the poor?"

Your ability to create strawmen is alive and well.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

According to many here: "don't bash the poor". Question is, "What about criminals living amongst the poor?"

What about them? From your link, it appears they get caught.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Making light of the situation again I see? Please come back to the present, and to this city. We have a situation here, and now, to resolve.

Answering your lame excuse that people then did not have "cellphones", well fact is that people had more cash to rob then. Cash has always been king, no?

I'm absolutely not making light of it, I'm pointing out it's not unique to Vancouver, or new. It's crime. (Yes, in the past people carried more cash).

So what's your genius solution? Two armed guys show up, anywhere (as noted), in a car, and proceed to rob the customers of a restaurant. Could be 100 Mile House, could be Oakland, could be Hollywood, could be Commercial Drive. How do you stop that happening?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Vin

According to many here: "don't bash the poor". Question is, "What about criminals living amongst the poor?"

Yes, and what about terrorists living amongst Muslims? That's your ideology. I'm sure you would support random checks by the police on poor people. Catch a lot crooks that way hey?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by whatnext

This is pretty horrifying. A restaurant full of people for brunch with no connection to the gunmen. It could happen anytime, anywhere.

There was a report that there may have been targeted people and that the collection of phones (later found discarded nearby) was to prevent people from calling 911.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

There was a report that there may have been targeted people and that the collection of phones (later found discarded nearby) was to prevent people from calling 911.

Yes, the report pn Global suggested that. It would mean that this was a targeted theft rather than random - which makes more sense. Cafe Du Soleil isn't the most obvious place to find wealthy patrons.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by logan5

Yes, and what about terrorists living amongst Muslims? That's your ideology. I'm sure you would support random checks by the police on poor people. Catch a lot crooks that way hey?

Young males of all races and religions are a huge driver of crime. They should be searched randomly too.

How old are you again Vin?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

What about them? From your link, it appears they get caught.

Naive for you to think that many of the criminals are caught.

Originally Posted by Changing City

I'm absolutely not making light of it, I'm pointing out it's not unique to Vancouver, or new. It's crime. (Yes, in the past people carried more cash).

So what's your genius solution? Two armed guys show up, anywhere (as noted), in a car, and proceed to rob the customers of a restaurant. Could be 100 Mile House, could be Oakland, could be Hollywood, could be Commercial Drive. How do you stop that happening?

Solution? Give longer and harsher punishments for repeat offenders in serious criminal cases. Make them work in prison to be eligible for parole. Those who won't contribute can rot there. Also, have more beat cops on the streets.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Young males of all races and religions are a huge driver of crime. They should be searched randomly too.
How old are you again Vin?

Police has the right to conduct searches on anyone deemed suspicious. If a person is loitering in front of your apartment building behaving suspiciously, the cops can't look into it? How old are you again, Warren?

Originally Posted by logan5

Yes, and what about terrorists living amongst Muslims? That's your ideology. I'm sure you would support random checks by the police on poor people. Catch a lot crooks that way hey?

Stop pretend to be so "woke" will ya?

If terrorist bombing or other terror-related violent incidents are regularly occurring in Canada, trust me, that would be the most productive procedure to catch terrorists from law enforcement agencies. In North America, there are way more radical terrorists living among so-called "Christians", cults, racists, anarchists and other criminals. Why are you calling out the Muslims? Do you have something against them?

Here in Vancouver, there are definitely way more incidents of crime coming from the poorest postal code in the country, hence by logic, there should be more checks and observations of the people there. It is the best way to protect the good residents as well as visitors.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Police has the right to conduct searches on anyone deemed suspicious. If a person is loitering in front of your apartment building behaving suspiciously, the cops can't look into it? How old are you again, Warren?

LMAO I guess you've been "looked into" by the police a lot.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Naive for you to think that many of the criminals are caught.

Government statistics show a clearance rate of 63% for violent crime in Canada. That means more are caught than get away with their crimes.

Originally Posted by Vin

Solution? Give longer and harsher punishments for repeat offenders in serious criminal cases. Make them work in prison to be eligible for parole. Those who won't contribute can rot there. Also, have more beat cops on the streets.

The rate of robberies in Canada has fallen to less than half what it was 15 years ago. There are already fewer offenders - repeat or otherwise. And armed robberies are even more rare - reading about an armed robbery in Vancouver is about as likely as you posting a reasonable comment.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Government statistics show a clearance rate of 63% for violent crime in Canada. That means more are caught than get away with their crimes.

The rate of robberies in Canada has fallen to less than half what it was 15 years ago. There are already fewer offenders - repeat or otherwise. And armed robberies are even more rare...

This is refreshingly good news. I don't disbelieve it, don't get me wrong, but it is almost too good to be true if you understand. But as I said, good news. Thank you.

[SpongeG]

if anyone is on twitter there is a post about a guy who was shot with beanbags by the police, this twitter poster and most of the replies are saying how awful to shoot this poor man how dare they etc.

https://twitter.com/VANDUpeople/status/1595937765526732800

the police added the info the twitter poster conveniently left out.

The man in this video is a high-risk and violent offender with a history of armed robberies, assaulting police, and drug trafficking. He is involved in the Downtown Eastside’s illicit drug trade and, based on his violent history, is considered armed and dangerous.