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Old Posted Sep 29, 2020, 8:32 PM
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Yup, that sounds like Vancouver. Central DT site, perfect for a landmark. 87 meters.
Yup. Thats them alright.

Dont forget the 2 major skytrain lines spitting distance from the site.

Surprised its even approved for that high. It might obscure a view from a port-a-potty at the intersection of 16th and Oak and therefore should halt the construction of anything taller.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2020, 9:20 PM
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And the chances they build an 87 metre tower is zero. If anything it'll be 200m
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2020, 9:33 PM
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Yup. Thats them alright.

Dont forget the 2 major skytrain lines spitting distance from the site.

Surprised its even approved for that high. It might obscure a view from a port-a-potty at the intersection of 16th and Oak and therefore should halt the construction of anything taller.
Don't forget that it might also shadow a garbage can one block to the NW, for 10 minutes in the morning or so.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2020, 11:18 PM
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Current city policy limits this prime downtown site to about 87 metres, the exact same height as the Telus office building.
is this a view-cone limit, or a more malleable one?

if it is a view-cone, those have been set in stone, and locked in a vault for 31yrs so the odds of them even allowing 0.5m into it is nearly 0.
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Don’t want to block the view of urban sprawl on the North Shore mountains.

To me that’s the greatest irony of the view cones, many of them are now only protecting the view of lost greenery in the attempt to preserve the view of greenery...
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2020, 11:47 PM
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Don’t want to block the view of urban sprawl on the North Shore mountains.

To me that’s the greatest irony of the view cones, many of them are now only protecting the view of lost greenery in the attempt to preserve the view of greenery...
Indeed - the continuous clear cutting of the BP's is a wonder to behold, in a disappointing kind of way.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2020, 8:08 PM
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The Bay Parkade project is likely to be the first to really question the view cones and attempt to push through them. The latest plan I saw was well north of 200m tall.

When it is proposed all of you who question the viewcones and want to see taller towers need to speak out loud and often to support the process.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2020, 10:13 PM
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The Bay Parkade project is likely to be the first to really question the view cones and attempt to push through them. The latest plan I saw was well north of 200m tall.

When it is proposed all of you who question the viewcones and want to see taller towers need to speak out loud and often to support the process.


Look forward for the opportunity to provide support for a development over 200m's in downtown.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2020, 11:12 PM
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The Bay Parkade project is likely to be the first to really question the view cones and attempt to push through them. The latest plan I saw was well north of 200m tall.

When it is proposed all of you who question the viewcones and want to see taller towers need to speak out loud and often to support the process.
Here is a thought. Lets say a developer was able to somehow bypass the height restrictions and they completed a tower over the view cone limit. Would anyone in the public even know or care? Would there be a single complaint from a Vancouver resident? Who are these views reserved for anyway? The general public or Vancouver residents themselves?

I'm really curious about this. Has the general public ever been consulted about the view cones (I'm talking years after them being implement) to see what the general public opinion of them are? If no one cares, then get rid of them.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2020, 11:58 PM
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The Bay Parkade project is likely to be the first to really question the view cones and attempt to push through them. The latest plan I saw was well north of 200m tall.

When it is proposed all of you who question the viewcones and want to see taller towers need to speak out loud and often to support the process.
That’s a great rumor to hear and I hope they follow through with that plan. It will have my support and I will do more than just write an email

The vast majority of people don’t know or care about the view cones but I feel that a few vocal voices are able to instill fear among enough people through hyperbole about losing the view of the mountains. The funny thing is once taller towers are built (Shanghai-La, Vancouver House, Vancouver’s Turn, etc...) they become icons for the skyline and many of those same people would have a hard time imagining Vancouver without them.
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Here is a thought. Lets say a developer was able to somehow bypass the height restrictions and they completed a tower over the view cone limit. Would anyone in the public even know or care? Would there be a single complaint from a Vancouver resident? Who are these views reserved for anyway? The general public or Vancouver residents themselves?

I'm really curious about this. Has the general public ever been consulted about the view cones (I'm talking years after them being implement) to see what the general public opinion of them are? If no one cares, then get rid of them.
Somehow it’s been ingrained in people that tall buildings are bad. It’s a knee jerk reaction, with no consideration given to the efficiencies of a building that can provide a huge amount of square footage on a small footprint.

It’s not a huge loss having height restrictions on residential towers, but office towers should have no restrictions.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2020, 1:14 AM
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Here is a thought. Lets say a developer was able to somehow bypass the height restrictions and they completed a tower over the view cone limit. Would anyone in the public even know or care? Would there be a single complaint from a Vancouver resident? Who are these views reserved for anyway? The general public or Vancouver residents themselves?

I'm really curious about this. Has the general public ever been consulted about the view cones (I'm talking years after them being implement) to see what the general public opinion of them are? If no one cares, then get rid of them.
Not sure how your hypothetical scenario could possibly ever get through the city anyway, but ok, let's play along. Yes, there would definitely be backlash:

- Other developers: "How come they were allowed to build past the viewcones but our tower had to be scaled back just to abide by this arbritary height restriction? We could have made tens of millions of dollars more if we were allowed to go higher! This is not fair!" -> Court case for the city.

- Residents within the shadow: "This huge tower is ruining our light and causing wind downdraughts! We can't grow our gardens any more or walk safely! It's destroying the peaceful enjoyment of our property! We expected a tower to go in there at some point, but not *that* tall!" -> Court case to the city and developer.

- Residents within sight of the development: "This tower is ruining our view of xyz! When we bought we were told that the viewcones only would affect our view up to a certain height and width so we were ok with it. This is beyond what we were told!" -> Court case to the realtor, city, and developer.

I understand your point about building a tower that slightly impinges upon the limits - "who's going to care?". But the reality is, if a developer just breaks the rules a tiny bit without city response, the next developer would see that as meaning they can break them more, and the next even more, until eventually some developer breaks the height limit a lot. There will have been precedent set, so in the eventual legal battle, the probable outcome would be a mess. And then that *could* lead to unregulated development. That may or may not be a good thing, but I could see many scenarios where that becomes incredibly undesireable.

An example of somebody trying to get one past the city, and how strict the city can be with sticking to these rules (even when it's deletirious to enforce them) is when the Wall Centre - at the time the tallest building in the downtown core - went up with black glass. The city didn't like what it saw, and made them stop installing the dark glass. So for many years we had a mismatched tower with 2/3 really great-looking dark glass and the top 1/3 clear glass that looked awful. It became iconic for the wrong reasons.

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Old Posted Oct 19, 2020, 5:34 AM
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An example of somebody trying to get one past the city, and how strict the city can be with sticking to these rules (even when it's deletirious to enforce them) is when the Wall Centre - at the time the tallest building in the downtown core - went up with black glass. The city didn't like what it saw, and made them stop installing the dark glass. So for many years we had a mismatched tower with 2/3 really great-looking dark glass and the top 1/3 clear glass that looked awful. It became iconic for the wrong reasons.
Yes, but it made for a great story to tell the tourists!
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... correct me if I'm wrong ...

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The Bay Parkade project is likely to be the first to really question the view cones and attempt to push through them. The latest plan I saw was well north of 200m tall.

When it is proposed all of you who question the viewcones and want to see taller towers need to speak out loud and often to support the process.
Looking at the future renders from early 2020, the height seems tall enough, but I wonder about the design itself. First, if people think it's a design breakthrough, perhaps not ...
a project in Brisbane seems strikingly similar. As for the design itself. (Again my only), it has a distictly organic look to it, rather like a severed elephant's trunk, but hey, if that's what people want, so be it, I guess.

https://cloud.ctbuh.org/global-news/2020-02/vancou.jpg
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Looking at the future renders from early 2020, the height seems tall enough, but I wonder about the design itself. First, if people think it's a design breakthrough, perhaps not ...
a project in Brisbane seems strikingly similar. As for the design itself. (Again my only), it has a distictly organic look to it, rather like a severed elephant's trunk, but hey, if that's what people want, so be it, I guess.

https://cloud.ctbuh.org/global-news/2020-02/vancou.jpg
I mean they've already said it's a design that wasn't chosen. It wasn't my cup of tea either..
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Oh god, this is what we have for rumors these days?

This ranks up there with posts saying “any rumors recently?” or “any updates on this project” for excitement.

(Please note this is not a knock on feathered friend, just a knock on how little seems to be going on so far this year for new major proposals or major projects moving forward despite there apparently being a huge housing crunch currently. Toronto seems to still be pumping out the major proposals.)
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Ah, I remember The Only Seafoods Cafe well. I first went there about 34 years ago. Great clam chowder.

If you needed to use a washroom, they didn't have one. The restaurant predated the law that required them. You had to run over to the rather scary pub that was in the old Pennsylvania Hotel.





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Oh god, this is what we have for rumors these days?
Rmuours are tough, there's a lot going on behind the scenes but no one wants to put their neck on the line to say what they know. It's all risk and no reward.
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