NHL season 2017/2018

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Subban was traded because his teammates didn't like him (it sucks)

Sergachev was traded to acquire a young winger with potential, and he was our only valuable asset

Beaulieu was and is still dumb as rocks

Montreal's dreadful asset management under Bergevin, especially regarding defensemen, would have continued on with Dahlin. Bergevin has repeatedly shown that he's either under pressure to make certain moves or has shown an incapability to make wise decisions. Letting Beaulieu go was fine but trading Sergachev away for a forward with less potential was very poor, and trading Subban for an aging (and apparently injury-prone) older defenseman with a worse contract is only going to get worse from here on out. The Weber trade was a win-now scenario and instead they've gone backwards. The Drouin trade was a win-now scenario and instead they finished in the basement. Poor drafting simply makes things worse.

The only solution from here on out is trading valuable assets (Pacioretty, Price, etc.) whilst they have value and starting over again from scratch, because it's abundantly clear the current core of players isn't going to be making it deep into the playoffs.

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Montreal's dreadful asset management under Bergevin, especially regarding defensemen, would have continued on with Dahlin. Bergevin has repeatedly shown that he's either under pressure to make certain moves or has shown an incapability to make wise decisions. Letting Beaulieu go was fine but trading Sergachev away for a forward with less potential was very poor, and trading Subban for an aging (and apparently injury-prone) older defenseman with a worse contract is only going to get worse from here on out. The Weber trade was a win-now scenario and instead they've gone backwards. The Drouin trade was a win-now scenario and instead they finished in the basement. Poor drafting simply makes things worse.

The only solution from here on out is trading valuable assets (Pacioretty, Price, etc.) whilst they have value and starting over again from scratch, because it's abundantly clear the current core of players isn't going to be making it deep into the playoffs.

I agree with you on certain points. The Drouin trade wasn't a win-now move however as he is only 3 years older than Sergachev. The Weber trade definitely was.

I wouldn't say we have poor drafting... The Habs are just average, if you look at our team, we have 8 regular players out of 20 (Pacioretty, Mete, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Price, Lehkonen, Hudon, Juulsen) that have been drafted by the organization, including our top goal scorer and our two top producers. That's 40% of homegrown players, and I'm not counting Scherbak, De la Rose and Lernout since they're not really established. That's excluding two guys (Subban and Sergachev) who were drafted by the team but then traded, and who have had success in the NHL.

Since we didn't get many top 10 picks between 2010 and 2017 (only two) and have traded lots of second round picks, our prospect pool has suffered.

Concerning player development, there indeed has been a lot of mismanagement, especially with guys like Galchenyuk and now Drouin who we haven't placed in positions to succeed. To say we would ruin a great talent like Dahlin is really stretching it however.

[Coldrsx]

So much OT, shame the Jets could not finish it.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

I wouldn't say we have poor drafting... The Habs are just average

My wording was perhaps a bit strong.

The 2008 and 2009 drafts were a complete wash for the Canadiens, though. Of the thirteen players selected only three played in the NHL and none played more than 100 games (and only one, Louis Leblanc, hit 10 points..)
2010 Draft was a flub but the Habs did end up with Gallagher in the fifth.
2011 Draft, of the seven players selected, only Beaulieu made an NHL impact.
2012 Draft was Galchenyuk & Hudon...
2013 Draft featured McCarron, De La Rose, Lehkonen, and Andrighetto. This group also features Fucale who likely isn't an NHL goalie at this point.

I feel like Montreal's late drafting is better than their early drafting, at least post-lockout.

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Concerning player development, there indeed has been a lot of mismanagement, especially with guys like Galchenyuk and now Drouin who we haven't placed in positions to succeed. To say we would ruin a great talent like Dahlin is really stretching it however.

Mete has been mismanaged due to the recent moves on defense. Instead of going back for the extra year in junior he likely needed he was pushed into the lineup as a mobile puck moving defenseman (which the Habs didn't really have much of, see mismanagement of assets) and likely stalled one year of his development in the process. Juulsen's a good prospect, though. The usage of McCarron and Scherbak in callups and their roles on the Habs can be argued about but it's plainly obvious at this point that McCarron doesn't look like much of an NHLer and Scherbak isn't being utilized properly by Julien.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

So much OT, shame the Jets could not finish it.

It’s a 50-50 series. I hope our 50 wins but it could go either way. Being able to match lines for a couple of games should help, but Nashville is a great team.

[Mrs Sauga]

The last time Hellebuck let in 5 goals he responded with back to back shutouts.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Mrs Sauga

The last time Hellebuck let in 5 goals he responded with back to back shutouts.

Hellebuyck when allowing 5 GA in a game, 2017-2018:
(Bolded are teams still in playoffs)
Nov 4, MTL 45/50 -> DAL 33/34 -> VGK 17/22
Nov 10, VGK 17/22 -> ARI 33/34 -> PHI 30/32
Nov 20, NSH 24/29 -> ANA 30/31 -> SJ 20/21
Dec 5, DET 27/32 -> TBL 24/28 -> VAN 25/26
Dec 14, CHI 25/30 -> STL 24/24 -> NSH 30/34
Feb 27, NSH 26/32 -> DET 30/33 -> CAR 33/35
Apr 2, OTT 32/37 -> CGY 31/32 -> CHI 30/31
Apr 15, MIN 16/22 -> MIN 30/30 -> MIN 30/30
Apr 29, NSH 36/41 -> NSH ??/?? -> NSH ??/??

Games versus NSH, 2017-2018:
Nov 20, 24/29 (0.828)
Dec 19, 30/34 (0.882)
Feb 27, 26/32 (0.813)
Mar 13, 30/30 (1.000)
Mar 25, 32/36 (0.889)
Apr 27, 47/48 (0.979)
Apr 29, 36/41 (0.878)
Total: 225/250 (0.900)

[drew]

^ as Canada's team, the Winnipeg Jets respectively request only providing stats that spin a positive result in terms of our journey of destiny in reclaiming the Stanley Cup for our great nation!

[Mrs Sauga]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Hellebuyck when allowing 5 GA in a game, 2017-2018:
(Bolded are teams still in playoffs)
Nov 4, MTL 45/50 -> DAL 33/34 -> VGK 17/22
Nov 10, VGK 17/22 -> ARI 33/34 -> PHI 30/32
Nov 20, NSH 24/29 -> ANA 30/31 -> SJ 20/21
Dec 5, DET 27/32 -> TBL 24/28 -> VAN 25/26
Dec 14, CHI 25/30 -> STL 24/24 -> NSH 30/34
Feb 27, NSH 26/32 -> DET 30/33 -> CAR 33/35
Apr 2, OTT 32/37 -> CGY 31/32 -> CHI 30/31
Apr 15, MIN 16/22 -> MIN 30/30 -> MIN 30/30
Apr 29, NSH 36/41 -> NSH ??/?? -> NSH ??/??

Games versus NSH, 2017-2018:
Nov 20, 24/29 (0.828)
Dec 19, 30/34 (0.882)
Feb 27, 26/32 (0.813)
Mar 13, 30/30 (1.000)
Mar 25, 32/36 (0.889)
Apr 27, 47/48 (0.979)
Apr 29, 36/41 (0.878)
Total: 225/250 (0.900)

Interesting his numbers aren't great against Nashville. Rinne isn't any better though:

32/35 (.914)
30/35 (.857)
34/39 (.872)
32/33 (.970)
Total in regular season: 128/142 (.901)

Playoffs must be even worst

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by mrs sauga

rinne isn't any better though:
Playoffs must be even worst

COL 25/27 (0.926)
COL 26/30 (0.867)
COL 11/15 (0.733)
COL 31/33 (0.939)
COL 25/27 (0.926)
COL 22/22 (1.000)
WPG 13/16 (0.813)
WPG 46/50 (0.920)

Total v ALL: 199/220 (0.905)
Total v WPG: 59/66 (0.894)

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by JHikka

My wording was perhaps a bit strong.

The 2008 and 2009 drafts were a complete wash for the Canadiens, though. Of the thirteen players selected only three played in the NHL and none played more than 100 games (and only one, Louis Leblanc, hit 10 points..)
2010 Draft was a flub but the Habs did end up with Gallagher in the fifth.
2011 Draft, of the seven players selected, only Beaulieu made an NHL impact.
2012 Draft was Galchenyuk & Hudon...
2013 Draft featured McCarron, De La Rose, Lehkonen, and Andrighetto. This group also features Fucale who likely isn't an NHL goalie at this point.

I feel like Montreal's late drafting is better than their early drafting, at least post-lockout.

That's a long time ago though (2008 and 2009). Apart from Trevor Timmins, I'm willing to bet most of the scouting staff has changed.

Originally Posted by JHikka

Mete has been mismanaged due to the recent moves on defense. Instead of going back for the extra year in junior he likely needed he was pushed into the lineup as a mobile puck moving defenseman (which the Habs didn't really have much of, see mismanagement of assets) and likely stalled one year of his development in the process. Juulsen's a good prospect, though. The usage of McCarron and Scherbak in callups and their roles on the Habs can be argued about but it's plainly obvious at this point that McCarron doesn't look like much of an NHLer and Scherbak isn't being utilized properly by Julien.

I have watched Mete play since the preseason, and although he looked mismatched at times due to size and inexperience, he definitely didn't belong in the OHL. It's one of the many cases where a player is too good for the CHL and could use AHL seasoning, but because of regulations is required to either go back to Junior or play in the NHL. He would have learned nothing playing in the OHL.

After he came back from the WJC his play was really solid and he found his confidence, but fractured his finger which ended his season. He'll likely never be an offensive D (never was projected to be) but I see him as a 25-35 points guy that is sound defensively.

McCarron was sort of mismanaged but was never an offensive force to begin with. His lack of footspeed and stamina is really hurting him. As for Scherbak, he's shown good flashes but was always seen as boom or bust.

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[JHikka]

Speaking of Jets, surprised nobody mentioned this:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

I have watched Mete play since the preseason, and although he looked mismatched at times due to size and inexperience, he definitely didn't belong in the OHL. It's one of the many cases where a player is too good for the CHL and could use AHL seasoning, but because of regulations is required to either go back to Junior or play in the NHL. He would have learned nothing playing in the OHL.

Mete would have had the chance to dominate in the OHL and to finetune his game, learn how to be a key element on a good team, and grow more at that level. Forcing him into the NHL (again, due to asset mismanagement) rushes that development. Perhaps it stunts his offensive game, or his physical game. Either way he could have used another season in junior developmentally, IMO.

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

After he came back from the WJC his play was really solid and he found his confidence, but fractured his finger which ended his season. He'll likely never be an offensive D (never was projected to be) but I see him as a 25-35 points guy that is sound defensively.

• Dobber: An undersized, offensive-minded, puck-moving defenceman. [Source]
• HabsEyesOnThePrize: This is where I remind you that, yes, Mete is a defenceman. But with most of the goals coming from inside the faceoff circles, it shows you that he’s a player with a lot of confidence who asserts himself offensively. [Source]
• FutureConsiderations: Mete is a fleet-footed rearguard who plays an offensively inclined game, in which he is used in all situations and really excels with the puck on his stick. Offensively, he has the ability to be a difference -maker ... [Source]
• TheHockeyNews: An offensive wizard, he skates very well and is an excellent contributor on offense. Is a natural power-play quarterback who joins the rush expertly well. [Source]
• TheCanuckWay: At 5-foot-10, he does not have a typical NHL D-man frame, but his skating and offensive prowess have NHL scouts excited. [Source]

If he's not an offensive defenseman then....what is he? A small defenseman that moves the puck out of his zone? If he's paired with Weber he has to be the puck mover and distributor out of the zone but there are plenty of guys who are bigger that can fill that role. Mete's there for his offensive upside as well. Either way, he could have had a chance to put up a great OHL season and gone on a long playoff run which would have been very good experience for him, but instead he was rushed onto an NHL team. We'll have to see what the future holds.

[Acajack]

So Martin Leclerc from Radio-Canada has gone over all of Montreal's draft picks since 2009, and counted all of their games played and points they've logged.

As most of you know, the NHL has a central scouting bureau that ranks players in anticipation of each upcoming draft. Leclerc took that report and simply took for granted that Montreal would pick the best available player based on the NHL's basic list, each time it was their turn to pick.

The difference is almost staggering.

If Montreal had simply followed the NHL list, available online to any hockey fan sitting on his couch in his jammies, beer in hand, they would have gotten 602 more games and 456 more points out of all of their picks since 2009.

The Habs also could have saved all the money they spend on their scouting department and spent that on salaries to hold onto and attract better players!

Full article for those who can read French:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/1...ses-recruteurs

[Bluenote]

Jets win and take series lead 2-1.
Rally back from a 3-0 deficit to win 7-4.
Canada’s team on their way to the cup

[Coldrsx]

Mine

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Jets win and take series lead 2-1.
Rally back from a 3-0 deficit to win 7-4.
Canada’s team on their way to the cup

One game at a time for the Jets. Come on boys.

What a come back. One of the best I've ever seen in the playoffs.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Mine

If the Jets come out alive from this titanic battle with the Predators, the Knights are going down in 5, max. I couldn't see them giving the Predators much of a run for their money either. The Knights play a disciplined game with great success against wobbly Pacific division opponents but it's not going to work against powerhouse teams from the Central.

Admittedly, those may end up falling into the category of "famous last words".

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Andy6

If the Jets come out alive from this titanic battle with the Predators, the Knights are going down in 5, max. I couldn't see them giving the Predators much of a run for their money either. The Knights play a disciplined game with great success against wobbly Pacific division opponents but it's not going to work against powerhouse teams from the Central.

Admittedly, those may end up falling into the category of "famous last words".

Regardless of who makes it out of the Central division matchup series we have now between the Jets and the Preds, the Knights are going down.

Still, we can't get ahead of ourselves. Last night's game was amazing, but as the mentality that's been going on all season for the Jets, we just have to continue playing, one game at a time.

GO JETS GO!