Manitoba Provincial Election - Page 10

djforsberg · #**181** Posted **Mar 31, 2023, 4:37 PM**

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YIKES...

If you want proof of that, watch this video.

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Right on cue... thanks for refuting my point by making my point.

You have no point, because it is historically and factually incorrect.

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I mean in a techincal sense what you're describing is a conspiracy by the west to keep people from discovering the joys of the ideology.

It is not a conspiracy. It is a well documented fact. I too used to believe what you do. A little self-guided education goes a long way. But you have to want to be proven wrong and I highly doubt you do.

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I note that socialism was alive and kicking long before WWII. Holodomor ring any bells?

Just like capitalism, socialism is a spectrum. No one reasonable is suggesting we repeat Stalinism. What Stalin did was terrible. But many more have been killed under capitalism and colonialism. Scores of Indigenous in the Americas, tens of millions in India, it goes on and on and continues to this day.

BlackDog204 · #**182** Posted **Mar 31, 2023, 4:41 PM**

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djforsberg · #**183** Posted **Mar 31, 2023, 4:44 PM**

Please direct any further non-Manitoba related replies to my posts to the Western Expresso thread. My intentions with this latest tangent was to comment on education spending increases but as usual, it blew up from there

. Please carry on.

VANRIDERFAN · #**184** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 12:46 PM**

A cursory drive by from the Globe and Mail on the upcoming Manitoba election. Is it good or bad that the Keystone province doesn't have near the drama that our cousins to the west (Wild Rose country) enjoy?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...-fall-manitoba

An opinion poll suggests the race for the Oct. 3 provincial election in Manitoba has tightened a little.

The survey by Probe Research found 44 per cent of decided respondents said they would support the Opposition New Democrats if the vote was held now, compared to 38 per cent for the governing Progressive Conservatives.

That six-point gap is narrower than the 11-point gap in Probe’s last poll in December.

The NDP lead is more pronounced inside Winnipeg, where the poll indicates that the New Democrats are leading with 53 per cent and the Tories have 30 per cent.

The Liberals, meanwhile, got the support of nine per cent of decided respondents.

The survey of 1,000 Manitobans was conducted between March 8 and 20 – after the provincial budget – and is considered accurate to within plus-or-minus 3.1 percentage points.

Seventeen per cent were undecided or would not state a preference.

The nine per cent support for the Liberals is the lowest the party has registered in Probe quarterly polls in more than three years.

thebasketballgeek · #**185** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 12:53 PM**

Uh oh the polls are tightening again that’s not good.

All I know is that if the conservatives get re-elected I’m outta here. Then they can chalk me up as another loss in interprovincial migration. I’m sure they must be loving all these 20-something post graduates leaving this damn province…

Luisito · #**186** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 2:40 PM**

You would think this elections would be easily won by the NDP, but lets be honest here they don't exactly have the best provincial leader. His candidacy could hurt them in the long run.

BlackDog204 · #**187** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 3:06 PM**

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Uh oh the polls are tightening again that’s not good.

All I know is that if the conservatives get re-elected I’m outta here. Then they can chalk me up as another loss in interprovincial migration. I’m sure they must be loving all these 20-something post graduates leaving this damn province…

I haven't been following the Manitoba Provincial Election race, but it cannot possibly be as bad the Alberta election lead-up.

The fact that the NDP and UCP parties are neck and neck, makes me want to leave Alberta. I'm a moderate, and not a big NDP fan, but the UCP and Danielle Smith are straight out of bizarro world.

Imagine:

-having a history of being a turncoat, and no loyalty to the party, and would switch parties on a whim if it was beneficial to your personal thirst for power

-having outright contempt for Indigenous people, then falsely claiming you are of Indigenous background. ONly to double down on your contempt for said people, when you are exposed as a fraud.

-endorsing QAnon theories, and having Jamie Sale and Theo Fleury as two of your regular guests.

-interfering in investigations into the anti-vax and freedom convoy movements, when it is obvious the groups intentions were to corrupt democracy, and when multiple assault rifles (illegal) were found

This is Danielle Smith and the UCP.

I honestly can't believe that the UCP may get re-elected. Please tell me the Manitoba PC Party is not as batshit crazy as their Alberta counterparts.

esquire · #**188** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 3:09 PM**

^ In Manitoba, the far right conspiracy theory nut jobs are sitting at the back of the PC party bus... they aren't driving it like they are in Alberta.

wags_in_the_peg · #**189** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 3:54 PM**

in my small social circles, I don't know anyone supporting NDP. many cannot stand Stefanson but also do not want the NDP in power

pspeid · #**190** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 6:16 PM**

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Uh oh the polls are tightening again that’s not good.

I'm not sure if one poll is telling at this point. If the trend continues in future polls then there might be cause for concern for the NDP. Of course it could just take one more healthcare horror story to hit the headlines and the opinion bump Stephenson seems to have created by spending money like the proverbial drunken sailor could disappear.

The next few months will very very interesting, politically. I'm not sure there are still many areas Stephenson could throw money towards at this point, at least none that wouldn't completely alienate their political base, like funding safe-injections sites.

Kinew will always have to work extra hard to demonstrate he could be a capable Premier. Let's be honest, there are some folks who would never vote for an Indigenous premier. They may openly talk about his policies or lack of experience, but then they'll drop the derogatory nick-name that has been circulating for a few years and chuckle up their sleeves.

If Kinew DOES become Premier I don't think he will have a free ride when it comes to Indigenous issues. I think he will go in with more trust from Indigenous communities than Stephenson has. Yes, Kinew has has a pretty entitled upbringing, with well-off parents and plenty of opportunity, but compared to Stephenson (who went to St. John's Ravenscourt, studied political science, worked for federal and provincial tories much of her adult life) he seems almost plebeian. What will tell is how he continues to be perceived by Indigenous leadership in the province. Too many statements/policies that counter what local leadership is saying and he could be branded a "turncoat" of sorts to Indigenous causes. I think he will have to walk a bit of a tightrope.

That being said, I still think he is the best person for the province at this time. How indigenous people are, or appear to be, treated in Winnipeg is red meat to the national media. I'm a big believer in the importance of perception in building a community. The optics of having Kinew as Premier can't be beat, IMO, and right now I don't think there's reason to believe he'll be any more destructive to the economy than anyone else.

drew · #**191** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 7:46 PM**

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in my small social circles, I don't know anyone supporting NDP. many cannot stand Stefanson but also do not want the NDP in power

Given you unabashed support of the PCs...I suspect anyone in your social circles would be terrified on uttering any kind of support for the NDP if they wanted to continue to exist within said social circle...haha

bomberjet · #**192** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 8:15 PM**

PC's with their recent public bribes and ongoing funding announcements would of course have a bump. Still lot's of time before the election for that to wear off.

I suspect support will remain strong in the bible belts and southern rural areas.

BlackDog204 · #**193** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 9:03 PM**

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Kinew will always have to work extra hard to demonstrate he could be a capable Premier. Let's be honest, there are some folks who would never vote for an Indigenous premier. They may openly talk about his policies or lack of experience, but then they'll drop the derogatory nick-name that has been circulating for a few years and chuckle up their sleeves.

Let's put away the race card, since everyone knows that is a distant second as to why people are reluctant to vote for Kinew.

optimusREIM · #**194** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 9:13 PM**

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Let's be honest. Kinew being indigenous is irrelevant. It's his past criminal history. Beating up a cab driver, after calling him every racist name in the book. Beating up his former girlfriend, and threatening to kill her. His DUI's. His homophobic, and misogynistic tweets. This is only the things we are aware of him doing, considering his wealthy parents most likely covered up other past indiscretions.

Let's put away the race card, since everyone knows that is a distant second as to why people are reluctant to vote for Kinew.

To me, political leaders don't have to be great moral figureheads, his past criminal issues et al don't phase me that much. For some folks politics is a cult of personality, which I get to a certain extent, but for the most part, I don't really care who a person is if they're competent at running the show. That and policy. Hard to say exactly how much of the next election will be decided by people voting for the premier versus voting for their party. Time will tell I suppose.

esquire · #**195** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 9:21 PM**

If the election were held today I'd vote NDP for the first time in my life. I'd be doing so in spite of Kinew, not because of him.

BlackDog204 · #**196** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 9:33 PM**

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To me, political leaders don't have to be great moral figureheads, his past criminal issues et al don't phase me that much. For some folks politics is a cult of personality, which I get to a certain extent, but for the most part, I don't really care who a person is if they're competent at running the show. That and policy. Hard to say exactly how much of the next election will be decided by people voting for the premier versus voting for their party. Time will tell I suppose.

I was responding to an inaccurate claim that people would not vote for Kinew due to his Indigenous heritage. That is certainly a bizarre hill to stand on, considering Brian Bowman, a person with Indigenous heritage, served as Mayor for nearly a decade.

pspeid · #**197** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 9:46 PM**

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To me, political leaders don't have to be great moral figureheads, his past criminal issues et al don't phase me that much.

To me it depends on whether they have taken ownership of their past and taken steps to change themselves. Kinew checks both boxes.

If you're going to wait for the leader with the perfect, spotless record, then you'll be waiting a long time. Stephenson doesn't exactly have a spotless record either.

Luisito · #**198** Posted **Apr 10, 2023, 9:50 PM**

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To me it depends on whether they have taken ownership of their past and taken steps to change themselves. Kinew checks both boxes.

If you're going to wait for the leader with the perfect, spotless record, then you'll be waiting a long time. Stephenson doesn't exactly have a spotless record either.

Wab Kinew committed what is essentially a hate crime. What has she done that is remotely that bad?

pspeid · #**199** Posted **Apr 11, 2023, 12:24 AM**

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Wab Kinew committed what is essentially a hate crime. What has she done that is remotely that bad?

I never said anything about equivalencies. I simply stated that Stephenson cannot boast a spot-free past, nor, I stated, can anyone. Since you asked, I believe she had some issues with illegal trading of financial products, as well as the misdemeanour of not declaring income.

Kinew has, I believe, admitted his past mistakes and has tried to change himself. I think he deserves credit for that. if Stephenson has done the same, she deserves credit as well.

I try not to embrace the "never forget/never forgive" philosophy, but that's mainly because I have benefitted from people being willing to forgive my multitude of past stupid mistakes and allow me to change, hopefully for the better. Personally I think "never forget/never forgive" is a terrifying standard to hold people to, since it can backfire so brutally. Glass houses and all.

BlackDog204 · #**200** Posted **Apr 11, 2023, 2:23 AM**

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I never said anything about equivalencies. I simply stated that Stephenson cannot boast a spot-free past, nor, I stated, can anyone. Since you asked, I believe she had some issues with illegal trading of financial products, as well as the misdemeanour of not declaring income.

How is this different than Kinew having his wages garnished, after being sued for not paying his bills?