Winnipeg | 300 Main St.- Phase II / 360 Main St. | ~142M | 465 Ft | 42F | U/C

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by WJG

The exterior of Winnipeg Square (including the base of the current tower) is so ugly. I hope that's part of the recladding.

Well, I guess you must also have a hate on for the St. Charles Hotel, Casa Loma bldg. (Portage & Sherbrook), and 87 Smith (my former apt.).

All eyesores to me.

They're darker brown than the gold-coloured 360 Main.

[1ajs]

or the watkins bullding at higgins and annabela

[Urban recluse]

I am anxious to see the renderings. P&M may be an amazing destination.

[Cyro]

At the press conference, officials will "announce the details of its plans for a complete renewal of the existing curtain wall and environmental barrier at 360 Main and.....

The cost was mentioned earlier +165M.. This little tidbit from the media was interesting in itself...Barriers at P& M, We'll know Thursday..

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/04/0...unced-thursday

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

or the watkins bullding at higgins and annabela

Yes, that one too.

[esquire]

I wonder what the chances are that this project could end up being Winnipeg's new tallest? Think about it, 55 Nassau is a relatively old tower that clocks in at 38 storeys, 358 feet. Extended to 40 storeys it would be what, 377 feet?

If you bumped the average floor height by a little over a foot and a half a floor, that would give you 440 feet, or 20 feet taller than 201 Portage. If there is any kind of penthouse with a tall ceiling, or office podium-type arrangement with a few floors of higher ceilings at Winnipeg Square II, that would mean the average residential floor would only have to be about a foot higher than in 55 Nassau to get to that new tallest height. Maybe not probable, but it definitely seems possible... we shall see.

[BAKGUY]

Originally Posted by esquire

I wonder what the chances are that this project could end up being Winnipeg's new tallest? Think about it, 55 Nassau is a relatively old tower that clocks in at 38 storeys, 358 feet. Extended to 40 storeys it would be what, 377 feet?

If you bumped the average floor height by a little over a foot and a half a floor, that would give you 440 feet, or 20 feet taller than 201 Portage. If there is any kind of penthouse with a tall ceiling, or office podium-type arrangement with a few floors of higher ceilings at Winnipeg Square II, that would mean the average residential floor would only have to be about a foot higher than in 55 Nassau to get to that new tallest height. Maybe not probable, but it definitely seems possible... we shall see.

I am in total agreement.
55 Nassau was designed nearly 50 years ago.. half of a century.. built in the late 1960's... Any upper end residential would have to have in this day and age a 9 foot ceiling rather than 8 ft.. So I also think the same as you do.
I am only concerned that this 300 main project does not get scaled down to less than 40 floors.
We need some skyline height and bragging rights here in Winnipeg.
I also hope that Skycity can make it to 50 + floors with the pentice.

[1ajs]

ive been on the top of 55 nassa fish pond up there err weight thats evergreen place that has a fishpond on it not kidding about the fish pond... somehow theres minos on the roof everysummer

[pegcityfan]

Originally Posted by Cyro

The cost was mentioned earlier +165M.. This little tidbit from the media was interesting in itself...Barriers at P& M, We'll know Thursday..

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/04/0...unced-thursday

Man would that suck if want to keep the barriers. When I read the line in the press "announce the details of its plans for a complete renewal of the existing curtain wall and environmental barrier at 360 Main and will unveil plans for a significant new development on the same site at 300 Main", all I think is they plan on updating their corner, that's it.

[bomberjet]

This announcement has nothing to do with opening P&M. It's for the reno and expansion of the Artis complex. Opening P&M is as easy as ripping down the barriers and repairing the sidewalk. Maybe Artis will make mention of it in their announcement. But i wouldn't bet on it (hopefully I'm wrong and they say let's open up P&M!).

The environmental barriers the speak of seem to be with building systems. Ie: the curtain wall and whatever climate control features they have in place.

[Jeremy6]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bus...374535251.html

Similar to the Sun's article but here is the Winnipeg Free Press take on it.

[kent_eh]

Originally Posted by esquire

I wonder what the chances are that this project could end up being Winnipeg's new tallest? Think about it, 55 Nassau is a relatively old tower that clocks in at 38 storeys, 358 feet. Extended to 40 storeys it would be what, 377 feet?

If you bumped the average floor height by a little over a foot and a half a floor, that would give you 440 feet, or 20 feet taller than 201 Portage. If there is any kind of penthouse with a tall ceiling, or office podium-type arrangement with a few floors of higher ceilings at Winnipeg Square II, that would mean the average residential floor would only have to be about a foot higher than in 55 Nassau to get to that new tallest height. Maybe not probable, but it definitely seems possible... we shall see.

Other than bragging rights, what would be the point though?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by kent_eh

Other than bragging rights, what would be the point though?

Are you sure you're on the right website, my friend?

[bomberjet]

Lol That's all we want around here is bragging rights!

So for residential, would floor to floor height not be around 10'? Or is it typically 9'?

Using 10' would give you 400' right off the bat. Another 10' for mechanical on top. Lobby may be double height. And the tower is already going to be sitting up from street level. The square is already ~10' above curb. So we're getting into the range of 430' based on those simple assumptions.

[Urban recluse]

I hope it is sleek and thin.

[esquire]

^ Yeah, definitely not far-fetched. I'd imagine that this building would be chasing a mid to upper range demographic, which tells you that they won't be building absolute minimum height levels either.

What's the height on Glasshouse? I couldn't find an actual number. But at 21 storeys, it's probably fair to say that WSII would be a little less than double the height.

Doing some cocktail napkin math, we can say that with 9 ft ceiling heights in Glasshouse + 10'4" on 2-5 and penthouse levels, we're looking at a minimum height of 195.67 feet. I presume a mechanical level/penthouse would push that up at least another 10 feet? Say 205? So taking that average 9.76 feet a floor and multiplying it by 40 gives me 390.4 feet. Less than 30 feet off 201 Portage.

So really, an average ceiling height a bit higher than Glasshouse (or even just an especially tall mechanical level or main floor) would likely push WSII over the top. That wouldn't really take much. An average of 10.6 feet a floor vs. Glasshouse's 9.76 would make WSII the new tallest... that's what, barely 10" per floor difference on average? A combination of a few inches per floor throughout the building, plus maybe an extra foot or two on each of the main, penthouse and mechanical levels,
and you're there. Or perhaps Artis will just jack it up to 42 storeys to satisfy us skyscraper nerds

You STEM guys feel free to shoot holes in my math, it probably wouldn't be too tough to find a mistake in there. But that's where I landed and it looks pretty good!

[drew]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

I hope it is sleek and thin.

Wide and stout. That's the Winnipeg way.

[drew]

Originally Posted by kent_eh

Other than bragging rights, what would be the point though?

That's just it. Bragging rights.

Helps to sell/rent units when advertised in the "tallest" building in Winnipeg. Or "best views". Or "tallest floor between Toronto and Calgary". Or whatever.

And it could be the tallest in Winnipeg for the foreseeable future - depending on how SkyCity works out. I would think no matter what, it will have that claim for around 5-years.

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by drew

Wide and stout. That's the Winnipeg way.

I suspect this is changing (i.e. SkyCity)

[bomberjet]

Maybe Artis will purposely push the building height to be just taller than 201 Portage. Just to say we're the tallest.

I guess we'll find out soon if there are any other plans for the new tower, other than residential. Maybe some lower level office space or street level retail.