Nelson on the Park | Concept/Proposal

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I think this case speaks volumes about what the priorities for the City Hall are. They don't care about regular working people living in this city and all they care about are property and sales taxes.

Me and my wife make a good living and pay significant taxes. While we could still afford to live in the city, it is getting very hard to see it being worth paying a ridiculous premium (rent) for that, so we are strongly considering leaving Vancouver for the neighboring cities. It seems that Mayor Robertson's plan is to run his empty city with just property taxes and without people living there.

Exactly. I am seriously considering New Westminster in my next apartment search. I may even buy a reasonably priced 'pre leaky condo era' 1 bed there, they can be had for around 150,000 and often quite large. It's a great city. Maintenance fees and taxes are a bit higher but more then offset by the lower price of condos.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Let's just say at the events with Trump, I have spoken to the majority of purchasers and for those who were immigrants, most of them have been here 10+ years, well versed in English, and were looking for a secondary residence or as an investment. I wouldn't call them newly immigrated and they definitely don't fit the usual stigma of new immigrants nor do they have such an aura when around them. Completely different set of clientele they were going after.

I think it's completely unfair to label and stereotype all immigrants or foreigners who have means to purchase here as money launderers or individuals who send their money here illicitly, not all immigrants of asian decent who have such purchasing power are here to launder money nor sending money here by illicit means.

Your assumption is that they are telling you the entire truth about their personal business; which nobody does my friend . Naive is a good word for that. Another thing is that your statement makes you sound like someone who has investment in this shaky Canadian real estate scheme.

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Your assumption is that they are telling you the entire truth about their personal business; which nobody does my friend . Naive is a good word for that. Another thing is that your statement makes you sound like someone who has investment in this shaky Canadian real estate scheme.

So you believe it's right to judge every single asian face who has the purchasing power in this city as criminals?

I'm just saying that while there are individuals who are here to launder money, others are not.

Also, do you really believe that if Wall had developed these condos with the original proposal, they would've been affordable? I honestly doubt it. I would bet that the neighbouring Westbank project would ask prices higher than the private estates at Vancouver House, which was ridiculous.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by bb1510

So you believe it's right to judge every single asian face who has the purchasing power in this city as criminals?

I'm just saying that while there are individuals who are here to launder money, others are not.

Also, do you really believe that if Wall had developed these condos with the original proposal, they would've been affordable? I honestly doubt it. I would bet that the neighbouring Westbank project would ask prices higher than the private estates at Vancouver House, which was ridiculous.

Again, you are completely ignoring many facts that many of us already know and will readily acknowledge on this forum, asian or not. your argument that goes from one polar opposite to the next is not working, everyone knows that not every asian investor is crooked. At this point i realize that you are another PC ***** who uses scapegoat tactics and I am done with you as I'm a rational individual who uses facts; not 'hear-say' to form an argument.

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Again, you are completely ignoring many facts that many of us already know and will readily acknowledge on this forum, asian or not. your argument that goes from one polar opposite to the next is not working, everyone knows that not every asian investor is crooked. At this point i realize that you are another PC ***** who uses scapegoat tactics and I am done with you as I'm a rational individual who uses facts; not 'hear-say' to form an argument.

Actually, I'm using facts as well.

Clearly you're not hanging out in the same circle as to believe the prices driven up are by immigrants. There are so, so many caucasians and non asians who have so many holding properties and spec home projects in the west side. I can easily name more than what I can count on my hands the number of non-asians who have so many properties in shaughnessy, mackenzie heights, dunbar, ubc, point grey, basically all the high end neighbourhood.

Then again, I did go to school with the Segals, Aquilini's, Christy Clark's son, son's of the owners of Westbank and Peterson, etc.

You can judge me all you want but it's not going to change any of the facts.

Have a nice day!

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Actually, I'm using facts as well.

Clearly you're not hanging out in the same circle as to believe the prices driven up are by immigrants. There are so, so many caucasians and non asians who have so many holding properties and spec home projects in the west side. I can easily name more than what I can count on my hands the number of non-asians who have so many properties in shaughnessy, mackenzie heights, dunbar, ubc, point grey, basically all the high end neighbourhood.

Then again, I did go to school with the Segals, Aquilini's, Christy Clark's son, son's of the owners of Westbank and Peterson, etc.

You can judge me all you want but it's not going to change any of the facts.

Have a nice day!

You went to school with Christy Clark's son? So you're 15 and have managed to speak with every buyer in Trump Tower? Pretty impressive.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by whatnext

You went to school with Christy Clark's son? So you're 15 and have managed to speak with every buyer in Trump Tower? Pretty impressive.

I love you right now.

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by whatnext

You went to school with Christy Clark's son? So you're 15 and have managed to speak with every buyer in Trump Tower? Pretty impressive.

I don't know what sort of school you went to but schools here, there are different grades in one building and majority =/= every.

Do realize that purchasers at the Trump with an invitation to the events are allowed to brings guests

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Originally Posted by bb1510

I don't know what sort of school you went to but schools here, there are different grades in one building and majority =/= every.

Do realize that purchasers at the Trump with an invitation to the events are allowed to brings guests

You're clearly a spawn of the entitled upper echelons who are deluded and either couldn't care less or are totally ignorant as to what goes on with %95 of the people living in this city (asian or not) who have realistic needs. Most of the people living in Vancouver who have roots here prior to the 90's see Trump tower and Vancouver house as just something not worth pursuing; again realistically .

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

You're clearly a spawn of the entitled upper echelons who are deluded and either couldn't care less or are totally ignorant as to what goes on with %95 of the people living in this city (asian or not) who have realistic needs. Most of the people living in Vancouver who have roots here prior to the 90's see Trump tower and Vancouver house as just something not worth pursuing; again realistically .

No, no, and no.

I know what realistic needs are in this city and what are considered luxuries. I am just sick and tired of people putting all the blame on new immigrants and Chinese individuals as the sole reason for such unaffordability in this city. This is a multifaceted issue and City Hall is one major source to the problem; they are the enabler in this problem.

While Trump isn't worth looking at, many new families did indeed look at Vancouver House; its starting price was in the low 300s with a price per square foot with just a slight premium to new entry level apartments in downtown albeit with much higher end finishes.

[jlousa]

Mod had on, there is a real estate thread and others more suitable to this discussion. Take it there, this thread is about the building or lack of it, not about social economic issues.

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Mod had on, there is a real estate thread and others more suitable to this discussion. Take it there, this thread is about the building or lack of it, not about social economic issues.

'Argument hat taken off' I was excited for this project as again it used lines and elements of the later mid century modern era. Hopefully it gets built or something of similar stature on the property. Maybe a tad more colour to fit in with the other cool 50's, 60's and 70's buildings in the area. I for one would love to see large surfaces covered in mosaic glass and ceramic tiles again, something of similar design quality to the BC hydro building such beautiful proportions this building has.

*If you are ever on Comox street in the west end theres a nondescript 60's apartment building called Comox Manor at 1235 Comox st. but it has a stunning huge modernist tile wall mural on the wall of the lobby that extends outside (you can see the edge on google street view). I have tried to find out who the artist is but to no avail. and i have only seen it from the outside. anyone have any ideas on this? My biggest concern is that nobody will know about it until the building has a plan for redevelopment then it may be too late. for the life of me i can't find a full picture of it either.


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