NCC Ottawa River South Shore Riverfront Park Plan [Kichi Zībī Mīkan] | In Progress

[J.OT13]

Thanks for posting on the Parkway thread. 1. I didn't realize there was a development app and 2. didn't even cross my mind to post here or the Sir John A. Linear Park thread.

Gotta say I'm disappointed with the amount of parking provided, especially considering the proximity to Dominion Station. I hope they put as much effort in attracting transit riders as they are with attracting motorists.

[eltodesukane]

To go from Northbound Island Park to Westbound Parkway,
is a U-turn allowed on Island Park, as suggested by Google Maps?

[Horus]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

To go from Northbound Island Park to Westbound Parkway,
is a U-turn allowed on Island Park, as suggested by Google Maps?

That seems like a really bad idea.

[SidetrackedSue]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

To go from Northbound Island Park to Westbound Parkway,
is a U-turn allowed on Island Park, as suggested by Google Maps?

Yes, that's what you are supposed to do. Note: there are limits on it so EB drivers wanting to turn onto the Bridge don't skip the line up (sometimes almost a KM long) and U-turn so they can do the right turn onto the bridge.

[J.OT13]

Here's a similar project in the Ste-Foy area of Québec City. This is what we should be aiming for.

Originally Posted by davidivivid

A bit of a long post but here it is: In the 1960's, a boulevard, which primarily served as an industrial service road, was built between the old port and the Quebec bridge. That road had a profundly negative impact on the citizens' relation to the St-Lawrence river. Prior to the construction, folks used to come to the beach washing up in the Anse du Foulon to swin, sunbathe and walk, as we can see in the following pic.



https://www.lesoleil.com/actualite/la-ca...en-1960-760abb672d3b02600fb9c38a52404fb3

The boulevard almost completely blocked access to the River and was a completely sterile concrete mess build in the name of modernism.




https://www.capitale.gouv.qc.ca/nos-proj...de-samuel-de-champlain/page/avant-projet


In the early 2000's, Quebec City's mayor decided to reconfigure the boulevard to give access to the St-Lawrence once again to the population. Work on the first phase (2,5km) of the project began in 2006 and is completed just in time foor the 400th of the city in 2008. The Promenade Samuel-de-Champlain honestly is quite an achievement, won numerous awards but most importantly, is heavily frequented by the population.

Here are some pics of the first phase between the bridges and the Côte de Sillery.




















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https://daoustlestage.com/en/project/promenade-samuel-de-champlain-2/





Now, the third phase (2,5km as well) of the project has officially begun. It will strech between the Côte the Sillery and the yacht club. It will, amongst other things, feature a 16000ft2 shallow pool to... reminisce, so to speak, the fact that a popular beach existed at that location in the 50's.



https://qcna.qc.ca/news/work-ramps-up-on-promenade-de-samuel-de-champlain


























https://www.capitale.gouv.qc.ca/nos-proj...ade-samuel-de-champlain/page/le-chantier

[JayBuoy]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Thanks for posting on the Parkway thread. 1. I didn't realize there was a development app and 2. didn't even cross my mind to post here or the Sir John A. Linear Park thread.

Gotta say I'm disappointed with the amount of parking provided, especially considering the proximity to Dominion Station. I hope they put as much effort in attracting transit riders as they are with attracting motorists.

I never understand the obsession with parking at public parks. What feels like half the site north of SJAM is dedicated to parking, when its supposed to be a park? Does the city not see how these uses conflict? Theres plenty of street parking in the nearby streets if you absolutely MUST drive. Reminds me of the parking in Strathcona Park. what is actually a pretty small parking lot cleaves the park in two, and really disrupts the overall quality of the park. Seems totally unnecessary and ends up being used mostly as overflow for embassies and a hang out for off-duty Ubers.

[mykl]

Originally Posted by JayBuoy

I never understand the obsession with parking at public parks. What feels like half the site north of SJAM is dedicated to parking, when its supposed to be a park? Does the city not see how these uses conflict? Theres plenty of street parking in the nearby streets if you absolutely MUST drive. Reminds me of the parking in Strathcona Park. what is actually a pretty small parking lot cleaves the park in two, and really disrupts the overall quality of the park. Seems totally unnecessary and ends up being used mostly as overflow for embassies and a hang out for off-duty Ubers.

The parking lot at Strathcona separates the baseball diamond from the more leisurely part of the park and provides a buffer from people getting hit by balls while they're trying to enjoy a picnic. The parking lot also likely serves the baseball players more than anything. I'm not mad at it.

[J.OT13]

I've noticed a lot of overlap between this thread and the Ottawa River South Shore Riverfront Park Plan thread, which is where I meant to post the Quebec City example.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236194&highlight=park

Wondering if we should merge these or create a more obvious name for the Sir John A. Linear Park thread.

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I've noticed a lot of overlap between this thread and the Ottawa River South Shore Riverfront Park Plan thread, which is where I meant to post the Quebec City example.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236194&highlight=park

Wondering if we should merge these or create a more obvious name for the Sir John A. Linear Park thread.

Done

[eltodesukane]

Originally Posted by JayBuoy

I never understand the obsession with parking at public parks.

Just like here at Vincent Massey Park.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Done

Thanks!

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by JayBuoy

I never understand the obsession with parking at public parks. What feels like half the site north of SJAM is dedicated to parking, when its supposed to be a park? Does the city not see how these uses conflict? Theres plenty of street parking in the nearby streets if you absolutely MUST drive. Reminds me of the parking in Strathcona Park. what is actually a pretty small parking lot cleaves the park in two, and really disrupts the overall quality of the park. Seems totally unnecessary and ends up being used mostly as overflow for embassies and a hang out for off-duty Ubers.

Have you ever been to Westboro Beach on a hot, sunny, Saturday? There's already an unpaved gravel lot inside the neighbourhood boundaries, full to the brim. All the surrounding streets are also full of parked cars. Couple that with $2M NIMBY homes, and BAM, you get a segregated, parkway-access-only parking lot, AND you probably get no parking signs within the neighbourhood.

Plus, there's an existing parking lot for about 50 cars right next to the existing beach hut. Is this being deleted? It's also full, and I never even bother when driving down here, because if it's full, you're screwed for a 20 minute detour to the local neighbourhood parking area.

Edit: When possible, I bike, unless friends who don't have bikes are also coming. Then we drive. No way we're spending an hour on a hot bus after being at the beach.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

No way we're spending an hour on a hot bus after being at the beach.

Buses are air-conditioned.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Just like here at Vincent Massey Park.

The big parking lot on the right is actually for the Tupper Building across the street, which doesn't have parking on-site.

[CityTech]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Have you ever been to Westboro Beach on a hot, sunny, Saturday? There's already an unpaved gravel lot inside the neighbourhood boundaries, full to the brim. All the surrounding streets are also full of parked cars. Couple that with $2M NIMBY homes, and BAM, you get a segregated, parkway-access-only parking lot, AND you probably get no parking signs within the neighbourhood.

Plus, there's an existing parking lot for about 50 cars right next to the existing beach hut. Is this being deleted? It's also full, and I never even bother when driving down here, because if it's full, you're screwed for a 20 minute detour to the local neighbourhood parking area.

Edit: When possible, I bike, unless friends who don't have bikes are also coming. Then we drive. No way we're spending an hour on a hot bus after being at the beach.

So let's pave over half the greenspace because there's a few hours on a few days a year where there's parking shortages?

[Kitchissippi]

Five years from now the O-Train will take you there.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Have you ever been to Westboro Beach on a hot, sunny, Saturday? There's already an unpaved gravel lot inside the neighbourhood boundaries, full to the brim. All the surrounding streets are also full of parked cars. Couple that with $2M NIMBY homes, and BAM, you get a segregated, parkway-access-only parking lot, AND you probably get no parking signs within the neighbourhood.

Plus, there's an existing parking lot for about 50 cars right next to the existing beach hut. Is this being deleted? It's also full, and I never even bother when driving down here, because if it's full, you're screwed for a 20 minute detour to the local neighbourhood parking area.

Edit: When possible, I bike, unless friends who don't have bikes are also coming. Then we drive. No way we're spending an hour on a hot bus after being at the beach.

Exactly. And the solution here is to make it a paid parking lot (like Mooney's Bay and Petrie Island), not build more free parking lots.

[OTownandDown]

It doesn't seem to me like there's more parking, just a rearrangement of parking, and removal of traffic from the NIMBY-hood adjacent.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westbo...ea8de1400!8m2!3d45.3953367!4d-75.7612861

[JayBuoy]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Have you ever been to Westboro Beach on a hot, sunny, Saturday?

Edit: When possible, I bike, unless friends who don't have bikes are also coming. Then we drive. No way we're spending an hour on a hot bus after being at the beach.

Yes I have and I bike there

The parking lots may not be beach front, but if the park is already so crowded, why would one wish to increase access and decrease park space?

We're talking about revitalizing park space, in other words changing it for the better. For me in a place that is highly transit accessible and highly accessible by active transportation, that means putting the park back in parking

Keep a few spots for accessibility and ditch the rest.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

The big parking lot on the right is actually for the Tupper Building across the street, which doesn't have parking on-site.

Cleary though there is an opportunity for Vincent Massey Park to use the Tupper Building parking on evenings and weekends. Not really necessary to have those two big parking lots next to eachother.