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well it went from 17 million visitors prior to 2002 to 20 million visitors post 2002 not a huge increase what 4%? or so

i think the point is all olympics do is increase tourism numbers which will help business maybe not in a driect way but we'll take it
Depends what the baseline is. 2000 was an economic dip year (tech bubble) and 2001 was 9/11 attacks, which impacted into 2002. So it wouldn't be surprising to see numbers rise "post-2002". Similarly visits to Vancouver will probably "take off" post-2010 because 2009 and 2010 were recession years.

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well, sorry to all the non city dwellers on the board, but gvrd vancouver isn't vancouver though (surrey and those south and eastern suburbs might as well be another cma), so vancouver is definitely not the biggest city to host the olympics. let's just all keep that in mind, lest any coquitlam or surrey types make any unwarranted claims of olympichood. if you didn't vote in the olympics referendum, you're not an olympic city. heheh. that said, if pushed, i'd grant burnaby and richmond, toss in the city of north van and the endowment lands, giving us a cool 1.1 million. but if you go that way, i'm pretty sure torino and its environs would still win it.

but the point was on the exposure, and the population density is probably the best stat on that, giving it to vancouver pretty handily.
     
     
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well, sorry to all the non city dwellers on the board, but gvrd vancouver isn't vancouver though (surrey and those south and eastern suburbs might as well be another cma), so vancouver is definitely not the biggest city to host the olympics. let's just all keep that in mind, lest any coquitlam or surrey types make any unwarranted claims of olympichood. if you didn't vote in the olympics referendum, you're not an olympic city. heheh. that said, if pushed, i'd grant burnaby and richmond, toss in the city of north van and the endowment lands, giving us a cool 1.1 million. but if you go that way, i'm pretty sure torino and its environs would still win it.

but the point was on the exposure, and the population density is probably the best stat on that, giving it to vancouver pretty handily.
I'll agree with that but you would probably add Richmond and North Van into the mix because they are hosting events as well
     
     
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Vancouver's Olympics head for disaster

Two weeks before the games and with police officers on every corner, Vancouver is far from an Olympic wonderland

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 31 January 2010 15.00 GMT

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t's now two weeks until the start of the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympic games, a city-defining event that is a decade in the making. But a decade is a very long time. Much of what seemed sensible in the early 2000s has proven to be the opposite: for instance, allowing investment bankers to pursue profits willy-nilly was acceptable when Vancouver won the bid in 2003, but is now viewed as idiotic. So it comes as no surprise that just days before the opening ceremony, Vancouver is gripped by dread. Not the typical attitude for a host city, but understandable when you consider that everything that could go wrong, is in the process of going wrong.

Vancouver has been continually ranked as the world's most livable city. An Olympic sized-dose of gentrification would only serve to speed up Vancouver's transformation from a livable yet expensive city into a glitzy hotel for international capital. But these neoliberal dreams are now little more than fantasy. In the mid-2000s the games were originally slated to cost a pittance of $660m and bring in a profit of $10bn. This ludicrous projection was made before the market crash – an event that the Vancouver's Olympic committee failed to anticipate.

"The Bailout Games" have already been labelled a staggering financial disaster. While the complete costs are still unknown, the Vancouver and British Columbian governments have hinted at what's to come by cancelling 24,000 surgeries, laying off 233 government employees, 800 teachers and recommending the closure of 14 schools. It might be enough to make one cynical, but luckily every inch of the city is now coated with advertisements that feature smiley people enjoying the products of the event's gracious sponsors.

Conservative estimates now speculate that the games will cost upwards of $6bn, with little chance of a return. This titanic act of fiscal malfeasance includes a security force that was originally budgeted at $175m, but has since inflated to $900m. With more than 15,000 members, it's the largest military presence seen in western Canada since the end of the second world war, an appropriate measure only if one imagines al-Qaida are set to descend from the slopes on C2-strapped snowboards. With a police officer on every corner and military helicopters buzzing overhead, Vancouver looks more like post-war Berlin than an Olympic wonderland. Whole sections of the city are off-limits, scores of roads have been shut down, small businesses have been told to close shop and citizens have been instructed to either leave the city or stay indoors to make way for the projected influx of 300,000 visitors.

Vancouver's Olympic committee has also assumed the role of logo police. Librarians are being commanded to feed McDonald's to children while unauthorised brands have been banned from Olympic venues. Worse yet, they've begun to casually slip clips from Leni Riefenstahl films into their Coldplay-soundtracked promotional videos.

This manic mix of hype and gloom is a byproduct of the games' utter pointlessness. For those who have been planning their resistance since 2003, Vancouver is about to become the world's premier political stage. It will be the best chance yet for the Olympics to be derailed and exposed as what they are: a corrupt relic of the 20th century that does little more than gut city coffers and line the pockets of developers and investors. If things go pear-shaped and Vancouverites resort to their riotious ways, at least the city will get its money's worth out of that bloated security force and the ensuing spectacle will boost NBC's slumping ratings. After all, the Olympics are primarily a patriotic event, and in the words of the late Howard Zinn, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism".
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The police officers are necessary, and the least of our problems. At least they're not brandishing machine guns like Beijing, and Olympics before that.

And they're not dressed as ninja, either.


"Anti-everything" people do enough threatening to make a police presence required, just so they can point out how much of a police state it is.

WELL, if you wouldn't threaten us with violence, arson, and vandalism, we wouldn't NEED them there to try and prevent that.

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I think that reporter should look at his own backyard before looking at ours...the London 2012 Games are much, much worst off financially. And I have no idea how people come up with $6-billion, unless they ignorantly include the Canada Line, Sea-to-Sky, and the convention centre. The cost of 2010 to taxpayers is $3-billion.

I didn't believe that security would cost only $175-million way back during the bid, and I sure am glad it's getting its proper funding.




...nor do we have this for security:

http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=5358
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 8:33 PM
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I think that reporter should look at his own backyard before looking at ours...the London 2012 Games are much, much worst financially. And I have no idea how people come up with $6-billion, unless they ignorantly include the Canada Line, Sea-to-Sky, and the convention centre. The cost of 2010 to taxpayers is $3-billion.
Yes, they do. And, the Olympic Village (the bailout, as they call it), which is already being sold off privately at a profit.

But, NEVER let a good number get in the way of facts.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 8:38 PM
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Yes, they do. And, the Olympic Village (the bailout, as they call it), which is already being sold off privately at a profit.

But, NEVER let a good number get in the way of facts.
And when it does profit, I'll bet you the media won't report it...they'll continue to mislead the public that it's going in the red. It's always easier to report that the sky is falling.
     
     
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Just like how there is no snow ANYWHERE!!!! AHHHHH! People watching on TV will think Whistler somehow got 33 feet overnight.
     
     
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Two weeks before the games and with police officers on every corner, Vancouver is far from an Olympic wonderland

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 31 January 2010 15.00 GMT



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jan/31/vancouver-winter-olympics-police
Wow. Way to throw gas on the fire. It just reads like one of those opinion pieces you'd see in a blog or something.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 8:41 PM
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Just like how there is no snow ANYWHERE!!!! AHHHHH! People watching on TV will think Whistler somehow got 33 feet overnight.
Then again, scandal/fiasco gives great tv ratings. See Salt Lake City 2002 versus the absence of any at Torino 2006.
     
     
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Wow. Way to throw gas on the fire. It just reads like one of those opinion pieces you'd see in a blog or something.
The Guardian is a rag, but this guy must be really low on the chain.

His last article was about "Kick a Ginger Day"
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Two weeks before the games and with police officers on every corner, Vancouver is far from an Olympic wonderland

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 31 January 2010 15.00 GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jan/31/vancouver-winter-olympics-police
Look closer at the article in the Guardian and it's author:

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Douglas Haddow is a Vancouver-based writer and creative consultant. He has a blog (pblks.com)
Haddow also refers to himself as a 'hipster' author.

https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

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“We are a lost generation, desperately clinging to anything that feels real, but too afraid to become it ourselves. We are a defeated generation, resigned to the hypocrisy of those before us, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us. We are the last generation, a culmination of all previous things, destroyed by the vapidity that surrounds us.” — Douglas Haddow
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/Douglas+Haddow

Surely, the Guardian has access to higher quality reporters than this guy.
     
     
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I don't even know what a "hipster" author is? Does that mean you sit in Starbucks drinking your soy latte on your Apple laptop, wearing your Hugo Chavez shirt and hipster top hat while writing your articles?

All the while thinking of witty things to say, and chortling at your pure genius, without noticing the hypocrisy of your anti-capitalism rants.
     
     
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I don't even know what a "hipster" author is? Does that mean you sit in Starbucks drinking your soy latte on your Apple laptop, wearing your Hugo Chavez shirt and hipster top hat while writing your articles?

All the while thinking of witty things to say, and chortling at your pure genius, without noticing the hypocrisy of your anti-capitalism rants.

http://anatolianshep.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/the-hipsters/
     
     
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Long-term impact of Olympic Games? Not much

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Long-term impact of Olympic Games? Not much
Three-time Olympian studies event's effect on house prices, finds no evidence of boom – or bust


January 26, 2010

EMILY MATHIEU

Nothing brings a flood of people and quick cash into a city like the Olympic Games. But what remains after the last medal has been given out and the flame is extinguished?

Not much, according to a new study.

"There has been a lot of public ambivalence regarding the Games, especially about what the impact will be," said Jake Wetzel, co-author of, Hunting for the Olympics Bounce: Any Evidence in Real Estate?

Wetzel, 33, is a doctoral student in finance and urban land economics with the Sauder School of Business at the University of British Columbia. He's better known as a three-time Olympian who won gold for Canada with an eight-man rowing team at the 2008 Beijing Games.

Why focus on real estate? Despite billion-dollar price tags, the Olympics are "too small relative to the national economy to be picked up in broad national indicators," like total employment, GDP or the stock market, according to the study, to be released Tuesday.

"If the Games were to have a lasting increase on housing it would show up first in rising employment and income and an increase in migration in the host city," said Wetzel.

There is, he said, "no evidence of that." There is also no evidence of a "bust," or decline in housing prices following the Games, he said.

Wetzel and co-author Tsur Somerville, director of the UBC Centre for Urban Economics and Real Estate, studied housing markets leading up to, during and after the 1996 Summer Games in Atlanta, the 1984 Games in Los Angeles, the 2000 Sydney Games and the Winter Olympics in Calgary (1988), Salt Lake City (2002) and Vancouver.

They also used quarterly data for 300 metropolitan areas in the U.S., nine major cities in Canada and eight state capitals in Australia. The study showed pre-Games construction employment was up 1.7 per cent in Australia and 4.3 per cent in Canada. The U.S. rose 3.9 per cent leading up to the Games and maintained 2.9 per cent growth for the six years afterwards.

Australia had a 0.7 per cent increase in prices when the Games were announced, but the study showed that matched the growth in cities not hosting Olympics.

Wetzel wants to avoid measuring the Games strictly on a monetary level. "I think the intangible benefits are enormous ... having the opportunity to shore up our sports system and create more opportunities for young athletes has a huge impact, but it is not one that is easily quantified."

Dr. Robert Barney, founding director for the International Centre For Olympic Studies at the University of Western Ontario, said some investments can be a detriment. "The world's cities who have hosted the Games, they are dotted with big grandiose world structures that sit there," he said. But the Games can result in improved infrastructure, public transportation and telecommunications. Not to mention the potential for domestic and foreign investment.

"You get your name out there and all the attributes your city has to a world-wide audience," said Barney. "You never know what that can translate into politically and economically."

Source:Toronto Star
Interesting study by an Olympian...
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I'll agree with that but you would probably add Richmond and North Van into the mix because they are hosting events as well
Sheesh, people. The North Shore, Burnaby, Richmond Surrey and the Tri-cities are no less Vancouver than Queens, the Bronx and Brooklyn are New York. Doesn't matter what residents of those people want to think. The names given now to these places are simple imaginary lines in the sand which can be redrawn at any given time.

Perhaps I'd hesitate to call Langley or Maple Ridge an actual part of Vancouver, as these places are a little more detached than the others.

Of course, this is coming from a person who feels places like Ottawa and Hull, and even Sumas and Abbotsford should be one city, and that the imaginary line people penciled in along the 49th parallel should be erased.

This whole drawing borders on maps is so childish.

One day, I'll see it happen. One day.
     
     
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you gotta remember people outside Canada look at it like this crime free utopia

so they will scrutinize crime and protesters more so

it was expected with china for instance
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Yes, they do. And, the Olympic Village (the bailout, as they call it), which is already being sold off privately at a profit.

But, NEVER let a good number get in the way of facts.
Hmmm, slow down there. Sales were halted long ago due to a stalling market. The village is the only part of the games that could be a disaster financially. And I don't have a great feeling about it.
     
     
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Did they give everybody who had bought at a high price their money back? This was on the market years ago, and I do believe several phases sold out.

If not, I don't see what the problem is. If so, why would they ? It's not like it was behind schedule.

The only thing losing money here is the exorbitantly priced social housing, at over double the rate of "normal" social housing.
     
     
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