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Old Posted Sep 13, 2009, 2:30 AM
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I am so jealous of L.A.'s focus on mass transit. SD's system started out as the leader for the light rail revolution in the 80's. We even painted our livery all red as a swipe at LA's defunct red car. But since then ours has languised into a system that is only used to attend baseball and football games while yours has expanded into a system that is actually starting to be usable for daily ridership. When the subway is expanded to Santa Monica then you will really start to have a great system. I can't wait to be able to take the subway from Downtown to Weho or the beach and back.
Actually, you're very wrong. The San Diego Trolley is among the most used light-rail systems in the country. Over 100,000 use it every weekday! However, it does rank behind Los Angeles.
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From the Los Angeles Times:



Glitches and finishing touches on Gold Line extension to East L.A.



Paint on concrete at certain spots contained a compound that conducted electricity, causing false signals and forcing removal. But with 99% of construction done, the line could open in November.

By Hector Becerra
September 12, 2009

It was to be a little aesthetic touch added to the Eastside extension of the Gold Line as it neared completion.

But no one imagined what gremlins would be unleashed when workers added a layer of paint to the concrete at "cross-over" points where the light-rail trains could switch tracks.

The coloring agent was made of iron oxide. And at intersections like 1st and Clarence streets in Boyle Heights it caused the painted concrete to conduct an electrical circuit that basically told a lie.

"It was sending out a false signal that the train was there," said Dennis Mori, the Gold Line Eastside extension's project manager. "When the weather got hot, it did it more. . . . When we removed the painted concrete, the false signal disappeared."

As the Metropolitan Transportation Authority works to replace the painted concrete, the glitch is just one reminder of the challenges faced in completing the county light-rail system's first leg into the Eastside. For a while, officials estimated that the six-mile line could open sometime in the summer, maybe as early as June.

Now they are hoping for a November opening. That will still give the MTA enough time to do testing and open the extension before the year is over, and a federal funding deadline arrives.



On the surface, it looks as if there's quite a lot of work to do. On a stretch of the line along 3rd Street in East L.A., bulldozers and cranes excavate asphalt, and stretches of track lie exposed after the colored concrete was removed. Workers shovel in asphalt, which will be painted, but without conducting false signals.

There are shallow trenches along the side of the track. But Mori said most of the work that remains is finishing touches, and testing.

"We're 99% done with construction," Mori said.

The roughly $890-million Gold Line extension, which runs from Union Station to Atlantic Boulevard, has 1.7 miles of twin tunnels and two underground stations. But the bulk of it runs down the center of comparatively narrow streets, leaving not much separation between the line and vehicles passing by.

In contrast, much of the Pasadena-to-downtown L.A. portion of the Gold Line was built along train right of ways, Mori said.

For the Eastside extension, a vigorous safety campaign has begun, including citing people who jaywalk across tracks.

"People have to adapt to a rail line in the center of the street," said Frank Villalobos, whose firm Barrio Planners is the lead architect for the project. "I've been involved since the beginning, and I think a lot of things that would be considered impediments have been overcome."

The challenges have included fault lines miles underneath Soto Street and the unearthing of the skeletal remains of more than 108 people just outside Evergreen Cemetery. Most of the remains are believed to belong to Chinese laborers buried in a potter's field in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. A school also had to be moved.

"I'd rather they take their time and make sure everything is safe for the community," said Diana Tarango, 74, a lifelong Boyle Heights resident and member of the MTA's resident advisory committee for the Eastside extension.

There has been much anticipation on the Eastside about the line. Residents have long complained that the area has a large number of mass transit riders but no rail service.

Although the extension itself is relatively short, it gives Eastside residents a route into downtown and to Union Station, where more rail routes are available.

There has also been talk of a Phase 2 pushing the line farther east.




Tarango said she can't wait for the Gold Line trains to rumble through the neighborhood. She said she still remembers the disappointment she felt when it was decided that the Red Line subway would not come to the Eastside in the 1990s.

"We've been waiting a long time for this," Tarango said. "I think it's going to be a whole changing of the community. I really believe it."

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It's nice, but they should have built the Red Line extension instead. All the way to Whittier.
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I think this side of the line will have higher ridership. Anyone with me on this matter?
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I think this side of the line will have higher ridership. Anyone with me on this matter?
I think so too. Then the Bus Riders Union will be all moded.
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Damn, the opening date for the gold line extension just keeps getting pushed farther and farther into the future.
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It'll be nearly 6 months behind it's original completion date by the time it is...
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It'll be nearly 6 months behind it's original completion date by the time it is...
The original original opening date was to be January 2010.
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The original original opening date was to be January 2010.
Okay then, the earliest date.
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Actually, you're very wrong. The San Diego Trolley is among the most used light-rail systems in the country. Over 100,000 use it every weekday! However, it does rank behind Los Angeles.

SD's has no new lines in the forseeable future, and like I said it doesn't go anywhere really to take people out of their cars. It does a good job for what it is worth but LA's is outpacing ours and running far ahead.
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SD's has no new lines in the forseeable future, and like I said it doesn't go anywhere really to take people out of their cars. It does a good job for what it is worth but LA's is outpacing ours and running far ahead.
I was referring to your ignorant statement saying that the Trolley "...has languised into a system that is only used to attend baseball and football games..."

That was ignorant on your part.

And now you provide new ignorance... a new line IS planned in San Diego. It's called the Mid-Coast extension... Old Town to UTC.

On other parts.. I agree.
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The original original opening date was to be January 2010.
Actually, the original opening date was/is December 2009. Contractually, they're still bound to that (I have a friend who works for the MTA). So technically, they're still on schedule. They were just hoping for an earlier date.
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Another delay pushes Expo Line opening to late 2011 (LA Times)

Another delay pushes Expo Line opening to late 2011

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Another delay pushes Expo Line opening to late 2011
A September report projects a 50-week delay in opening the 8.6-mile light-rail system from downtown L.A. to Culver City. The project is about half finished.


September 15, 2009

Though the Expo Line light-rail system from downtown Los Angeles to Culver City is about half finished, construction problems have pushed back completion of the project by another six weeks to almost a year.

Expo officials said they had planned to open the 8.6-mile line in 2010, but parts of the route would not be completed until the latter part of 2011. Earlier this year, the estimated delay was 44 weeks, a figure that has been revised to 50 weeks in a September report to the Expo Line Construction Authority board.

Officials attribute the additional six weeks of delay to the late completion of a bridge at National Boulevard, which set back construction of a bridge at Ballona Creek. Expo Chief Executive Richard Thorpe said there also have been complications involving sewer lines where the route crosses Jefferson Boulevard and La Brea Avenue.

The bulk of the delay has been attributed to the addition of a third aerial station that eliminated the need for an interim station and a controversy over pedestrian safety at Dorsey High School and the Foshay Learning Center. The California Public Utilities Commission eventually required improvements to a pedestrian tunnel at Foshay and a pedestrian bridge at Dorsey.

Thorpe said further delays have been caused by problems trying to lower power lines at La Brea and La Cienega Boulevard.

Though Expo officials say the project is still within its cost estimates, the September report states that "there are still outstanding issues that could pose a significant risk to the budget."

The $862-million line between downtown and Culver City broke ground in 2006. It will run from the 7th Street Metro Center to USC where it will turn onto Exposition Boulevard and proceed to Venice
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Actually, the original opening date was/is December 2009. Contractually, they're still bound to that (I have a friend who works for the MTA). So technically, they're still on schedule. They were just hoping for an earlier date.
My bad. I'll own up to that.
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Regarding the Expo, I am very disappointed. A entire year delay?
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Cost Concerns Could Shorten L.A.’s Crenshaw Corridor… Or Turn Planners to Rapid Buses

DEIS reports that making it as far north as Wilshire Boulevard would be too expensive for light rail.

September 16, 2009

Los Angeles has released its Draft Environmental Impact Study (DEIS) for the Crenshaw/Prairie rapid transit corridor in preparation for Metro’s selection of a Locally Preferred Alternative (LPA) later this year, with completion aimed for 2018. The DEIS demonstrates the dramatic cost benefits of choosing bus rapid transit, rather than light rail, because of lower construction costs and higher projected ridership. Yet those conclusions are based on a misleading difference between the two mode choices — the former would extend to Wilshire Boulevard, while the latter would stop at Exposition, three miles south — a consequence of the limited funds available for transit expansion.

A line running north-south roughly along Crenshaw Boulevard has been studied for years, as it would form a second north-south backbone for the Los Angeles transit system. The passage of Measure R in November 2008 put the project on the front burner, and the selection of a transportation mode for the travel corridor will allow Metro to enter engineering and soon after apply for federal New Starts funding.

The two projects advanced to the DEIS stage and to be considered by Metro when it selects the LPA are an 8.5-mile light rail line extending from the Green Line Aviation Station to the future Expo Line Crenshaw stop, and a bus rapid transit corridor following the same route but continuing further north to Wilshire Boulevard, where it would run east for several blocks to the existing terminus of the Purple Line at Wilshire and Western. Unlike the bus option, the light rail line would act as an extension of the Green Line, allowing commuters to travel without a transfer from as far south as Redondo Beach; it would also allow some Green Line trains to extend north one station to a new LAX Airport stop that would be connected to a people mover linked to terminals.

Considering only the segment shared between the Expo and Green Lines, the light rail option would attract 18% more riders than the bus; it would also be about 25% faster. But Metro can’t afford to extend light rail north of Exposition, because it only has budgeted about $1.5 billion in tax revenue for the project, and the three mile extension to Wilshire, which must be entirely tunneled because of the limited space available on roadways, would add one billion dollars to the cost. On the other hand, the rapid bus line, primarily using reserved lanes, would cost only $550 million to connect Wilshire with the Green Line — and the full corridor would attract some 17,000 daily riders compared to only 13,000 on the shortened light rail line. That’s because Wilshire is the economic hub of the city; it’s hard to imagine justifying a new north-south line that doesn’t come into contact with it.

The high cost of the light rail project can be summarized by this vertical profile of the proposed line — huge sections of the route would have to be placed underground or elevated above the street, and that costs a bundle of bucks.

Metro estimates that the light rail option would garner a “lower than medium” federal cost-effectiveness rating, because, to be blunt, it’s too expensive for a line serving neighborhoods that aren’t that dense. Can Los Angeles afford to build this project without a contribution from Washington? Should it build a project relying fully on local funds?

Ironically, a full-corridor light rail line, running up La Brea from Exposition and reaching Wilshire Boulevard, would attract far more riders and receive a medium-high federal cost-benefit rating, making it a strong competitor for national funds. The corridor’s importance would expand exponentially when the Purple Line is extended down Wilshire, as planned. Yet Los Angeles does not have the resources, at least in the medium-term, to make the longer light rail line a reality. The DEIS suggests that Metro should make preparations for an eventual completion of the line — but that will be in decades.

If the goal of the project is to improve the mobility of people living in southwest Los Angeles and Inglewood, the light rail line as proposed would do little to decrease transit times to downtown, since the Green and Blue lines already provide that service. Meanwhile, the Expo Line connection doesn’t provide access to the heart of the west side, which explains low ridership estimates — only an extension up to Wilshire would ramp up performance.

We’ll take it as a given that Los Angeles does not have the money to do a full light rail build-out along Crenshaw. As a result, it seems clear that a bus rapid transit line running along the whole corridor would provide the maximum number of benefits over the short and medium term, and that Metro has little choice to select that option. On the other hand, as ridership grows, a BRT project would have significant problems coping with additional capacity, as experienced by the Orange Line in San Fernando Valley. The bus would also lack interoperability with the Expo and Green Lines, one of the primary advantages of picking light rail, since it would allow through-running onto existing routes. Does it make since to build a bus line, only to have to replace it with a rail corridor in 20 years? I’m not sure.

One option that does not seem to have been fully considered is starting at Wilshire and then building as far south as possible within the financial constraints, which might mean to the Harbor Subdivision railroad; a future connection to the Green Line would be planned. This poses some serious equity questions, since it would further reward the wealthy west side and delay improvements for poorer Inglewood; this probably makes this option politically infeasible. On the other hand, it would likely attract more riders and reinforce the city’s center, which, amorphous as it is, runs roughly west from downtown and deserves to have concentrated transit service.
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Regardless of the cost, making it easier for Hollywood residents to reach LAX should be a priority.
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That was sarcastic, right? I can't tell.
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Speaking of the Hollywood connection, the MTA has already begun a feasibility study on a possible northern extension of the Crenshaw Corridor. Notice how Fairfax and La Cienega are also options...

http://www.metro.net/projects_studie...-%20Report.pdf
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Wow, that's disappointing to read that the Expo line is so incredibly far behind schedule. Moving the opening date a year later than planned is . A few months I could understand, but a year???
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So I have a couple of thoughts. One of the reason that a Crenshaw LTR would be so expensive going all the way to Wilshire is that above Exposition or so, it would need to be underground. It would be a great addition and very important. However, the political dynamics in Washington need to be taken into account. I would think that an underground line from Expo to Wilshire or even all the way up to Sunset as seen in the MTA document could be very competitive for federal monies. I don't know about the breakdown though.

I think we should get as much federal money as possible. I don't know how necessarily to do that, but that should be a top priority.

As for the BRT option, I think we have been down this road before. The Orange Line was built as a BRT. It is satisfactory now, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that BRT won't be sufficient. At some point, the Orange Line will need to be upgraded. Having the existing BRT will make it harder. It would have been better and more cost effective just to build the system right with the right technology the first time.
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