High Speed Rail Forum! - Page 10

Truenorth00 · #**181** Posted **Sep 7, 2018, 6:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by jammer139

HSR was ALWAYS a long shot and a Liberal election ploy.

The current $20M study is still going ahead.

Can we be sure about this? They just let David Collenete go.

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Originally Posted by Pimpmasterdac

Doesn't help that urban London, where constituents are generally in favour of HSR voted NDP, while rural SWO where constituents are generally against HSR for land reasons are represented in the PC cabinet.

If this thing gets built at all, my bet would be only the Toronto to KW portion since it's along existing ROW. The portion to London would anger the rural base, and since London was heavy NDP territory not be worth the political capital, as well as actual capital.

I think what you'll see to KWC is implementation of GO RER. They just hired a manager from HS2 (the British high speed rail project) to work on GO RER. Not a small player.

jammer139 · #**182** Posted **Sep 7, 2018, 11:08 PM**

HSR was always a Liberal election ploy. Little chance it will happen under any government. It will take a major technology innovation/revolution to spark a serious attempt at building a truly HSR link across southern Ontario towards Montreal/QC.

Truenorth00 · #**183** Posted **Sep 9, 2018, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by jammer139

HSR was always a Liberal election ploy. Little chance it will happen under any government. It will take a major technology innovation/revolution to spark a serious attempt at building a truly HSR link across southern Ontario towards Montreal/QC.

We're going to find out how serious Canada is about tackling climate change in a decade or so. The only real space to cut emissions in Canada is largely in transport.

And that's aside from the economic impacts....It's going to be quite interesting in a decade when the GTA has a million more residents and it takes 4 hrs to drive to downtown Toronto from London.

jammer139 · #**184** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 9:32 PM**

Hyperloop story worth reading.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/17/hyperloop-one-says-missouri-route-is-economically-viable/

Djeffery · #**185** Posted **Mar 22, 2019, 1:30 AM**

As if it wasn't already clear Ford is against High Speed Rail in southwestern Ontario...

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/ford-rails-against-high-speed-rail-plan

MolsonExport · #**186** Posted **Mar 22, 2019, 1:49 PM**

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GeneralLea · #**187** Posted **Mar 22, 2019, 4:40 PM**

Seeing the above article just made my mind want to cave in. Why do we have Tripe F by our side as premier, a gnawed on log would do us better. Just when we could see some really progressive transportation built in the province, another government pushes it aside.

jammer139 · #**188** Posted **Mar 22, 2019, 5:36 PM**

HSR was NEVER going to happen. Only left wing Lieberal fools believed that election ploy. Suckers born every minute sadly.

MolsonExport · #**189** Posted **Mar 22, 2019, 7:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by jammer139

HSR was NEVER going to happen. Only left wing Lieberal fools believed that election ploy. Suckers born every minute sadly.

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TallerIsBetter · #**190** Posted **Mar 22, 2019, 11:38 PM**

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MolsonExport · #**191** Posted **Mar 23, 2019, 1:26 AM**

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Gat-Train · #**192** Posted **May 16, 2019, 3:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by jammer139

Hyperloop story worth reading.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/17/hyperloop-one-says-missouri-route-is-economically-viable/

Hyperloop is nothing more than a swindle. Think about it: Elon Musk, owner of a car manufacturer, is pushing an alternative to HSR. Qui bono? Well, we get people hemming and hawing over this cool new transport (that will never actually work) so that less attention is paid to implementing tried-and-true HSR.

Gat-Train · #**193** Posted **May 16, 2019, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Djeffery

As if it wasn't already clear Ford is against High Speed Rail in southwestern Ontario...

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/ford-rails-against-high-speed-rail-plan

Yet there's never a problem with building more highway lanes through farmers' fields.

Gat-Train · #**194** Posted **May 17, 2019, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by jammer139

HSR was NEVER going to happen. Only left wing Lieberal fools believed that election ploy. Suckers born every minute sadly.

You are correct. We could get a much better improvement in train and bus service for a fraction of the cost of HSR. More frequent trains, and more coverage of the transit network are prerequisites for HSR.

TallerIsBetter · #**195** Posted **May 17, 2019, 5:46 PM**

Can a HSR proponent explain to me how this could have been even a tiny bit effective... If the premise is to have people live in London and work in Toronto those people would need to go in the 6:00 am to 8:00 am window. So if you have a capacity of 500 on a train and run them every half hour... We're taking about a 29 billion dollar "investment" so maybe 2,500 people can live in London and work in Toronto?

Spoofy · #**196** Posted **May 17, 2019, 6:55 PM**

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tyeman200 · #**197** Posted **May 19, 2019, 12:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gat-Train

Yet there's never a problem with building more highway lanes through farmers' fields.

Doesn't the government own all that land on the sides of the 401? Why not just build it beside the highway, or in the middle of it?

Djeffery · #**198** Posted **May 19, 2019, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by tyeman200

Doesn't the government own all that land on the sides of the 401? Why not just build it beside the highway, or in the middle of it?

Because the 401 doesn't go through the cities, it goes along the outskirts and goes a fair amount out of the way on the way to Kitchener than a rail line would. And you still have to build all the new infrastructure to support rail along the 401, because none of the bridges and overpasses are wide enough.

I personally think the idea of London and Kitchener being on the same line to Toronto is stupid. London direct to Toronto along the current CN line, with maybe a stop in the Ancaster area would make a lot more sense, with Kitchener and Guelph on their own line. Obviously not as cheap. I just don't see how you sell tickets to Toronto from London and Kitchener. If London can't fill or pretty nearly fill a high speed train every 30 minutes, then it doesn't make sense to have it here. And if Kitchener can't almost fill a train every 30 minutes, they shouldn't have it either. But if we do sell that much then there is no room for more to get on in Kitchener. And it's not like half the train is going to get off in Kitchener either. So, a direct train from London and another direct from Kitchener makes the most sense to me.

tyeman200 · #**199** Posted **May 23, 2019, 11:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Djeffery

Because the 401 doesn't go through the cities, it goes along the outskirts and goes a fair amount out of the way on the way to Kitchener than a rail line would. And you still have to build all the new infrastructure to support rail along the 401, because none of the bridges and overpasses are wide enough.

I personally think the idea of London and Kitchener being on the same line to Toronto is stupid. London direct to Toronto along the current CN line, with maybe a stop in the Ancaster area would make a lot more sense, with Kitchener and Guelph on their own line. Obviously not as cheap. I just don't see how you sell tickets to Toronto from London and Kitchener. If London can't fill or pretty nearly fill a high speed train every 30 minutes, then it doesn't make sense to have it here. And if Kitchener can't almost fill a train every 30 minutes, they shouldn't have it either. But if we do sell that much then there is no room for more to get on in Kitchener. And it's not like half the train is going to get off in Kitchener either. So, a direct train from London and another direct from Kitchener makes the most sense to me.

I do agree, because let's be real here, the people on those trains are headed right to Toronto

Dupcheck · #**200** Posted **May 28, 2019, 6:45 PM**

So when is this going to happen? or Was it another election promise to lure voters?