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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 2:01 AM
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Not to be a pessimist, but they sold out BC Place a few times when they were in the NASL. Attendance petered out after a few years.

Of course, these times are different, but still, don't overestimate the "hype" impact in Vancouver.

People here tend to hop on whatever bandwagon seems the most popular.
It's kind of difficult to maintain attendance when there are no game. The Whitecaps died in 1984 because the NASL died. As long as the MLS continues to build slowly and continues to stay in existence, the Whitecaps will be one of the leading franchises in the league--as they were in the old NASL.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 2:06 AM
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^ i don't see any reason why they wouldn't allow all seats to be filled if there was enough demand.
Actually, there are a lot of reasons. It's the same reason why the Montreal Canadiens' management have stated that if they were given another chance, they would have built their new arena to seat a few thousand fewer than the 22,000+ they seat right now.

They maintain this position despite the fact that the arena is full every night. So why would they do this?

It's about creating/manipulating supply, which then has an impact on demand.

Think about the behavioral economics aspect of a potential ticket buyers' decision to attend a match/game in two different situations:

1) Knowing that s/he can just walk up to the ticket window at game-time and grab one of the remaining 5 or 6 thousand seats,

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2) Having to purchase weeks in advance in order to assure that one can attend the event.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 4:09 AM
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I think that having them play downtown will be a huge draw. The reason that I don't go to games is that I don't drive and don't want to transfer in order to get to Swangard.
lol, sorry but that is so lazy. Good news is that BC Place will save you from walking an extra 3min.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 4:21 AM
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Wow, you do know that Swangard is about a 5 to 10 minute walk at the most from patterson skytrain station right? There are many destinations downtown that are much farther than that from skytrain that many people walk to (such as English Bay, Stanley Park, Denmen, etc..) I guess some people really are afraid of walking! Sorry to be so silly, i just find that a strange excuse for somewhere that is near two train stations.
Really? It seems so far away. Perhaps it is that stretch of the park that makes it seem so far away. Now I definitely have to go to a game this summer.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 6:13 AM
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It's kind of difficult to maintain attendance when there are no game. The Whitecaps died in 1984 because the NASL died. As long as the MLS continues to build slowly and continues to stay in existence, the Whitecaps will be one of the leading franchises in the league--as they were in the old NASL.
I agree. I think the Whitecaps will be a HUGE draw, and one of the leading franchises in the league.
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I think the fact that Swanguard is in Burnaby as opposed to downtown might keep some people away maybe. "On a clear day you can see Kingsway".
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Actually, there are a lot of reasons. It's the same reason why the Montreal Canadiens' management have stated that if they were given another chance, they would have built their new arena to seat a few thousand fewer than the 22,000+ they seat right now.

They maintain this position despite the fact that the arena is full every night. So why would they do this?

It's about creating/manipulating supply, which then has an impact on demand.

Think about the behavioral economics aspect of a potential ticket buyers' decision to attend a match/game in two different situations:

1) Knowing that s/he can just walk up to the ticket window at game-time and grab one of the remaining 5 or 6 thousand seats,

versus

2) Having to purchase weeks in advance in order to assure that one can attend the event.


Interesting logic.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 3:10 PM
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Interesting logic.
Simple supply and demand. Profits are maximized where price elasticity = 1 (where marginal benefit equals marginal cost).
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 4:42 PM
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I think the fact that Swanguard is in Burnaby as opposed to downtown might keep some people away maybe. "On a clear day you can see Kingsway".
The view of the mountains from Swangard is awesome.
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The view of the mountains from Swangard is awesome.
...but the views of the mountains from the waterfront would be even better
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WOW 5000 deposits GONE just like that. Sweet News. I think that the Whitecaps will have great success due to the Olympics. Once the city feels the hype of being on the world stage it will certainly garner support and interest in the Whitecaps. I imagine that with a large venue like BC place ticket prices will be affordable. It will be up to the marketing department strike up interest from new fans to the game of soccer. I think this wil be a great success.
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One of my co-workers is a season ticket holder and he received confirmation that he's entitled to 8 season tickets. With a current season ticket base it's possible that all 16,000 tickets could be gobbled up by existing holders, although it would be highly unlikely that everyone would exercise their maximum. I think it's safe to assume that they will sell out the allotment of season tickets for their first year.
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Interesting article about the success the Sounders have enjoyed so far, and some bits and pieces about the Whitecaps:

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Seattle Sounders strike the right note with fans

As Vancouver prepares to enter Major League Soccer, Seattle’s team is packing them in

By BRUCE CONSTANTINEAU, Vancouver Sun - September 11, 2009


Growing demand for Seattle Sounders tickets prompted officials to increase the capacity at the team’s home turf, Qwest Field. What does this mean for the Vancouver Whitecaps’ rebranding efforts?
Photograph by: Handout, Vancouver Sun



SEATTLE - By North American standards, Seattle Sounders soccer fans are a fiercely passionate lot.

They chant and scream and proudly hold up Sounder-blue/rave-green team scarves while marching to Qwest Field singing the 1969 Perry Como hit: “The bluest skies you’ve ever seen are in Seattle!”

They even put up a mildly anti-Canadian banner when Toronto FC came to town two weeks ago — Blame Canaduh.

Club officials pulled down the amusing in-stadium signage with upside-down Maple Leafs before kickoff, but the fans’ outright fervor for the beautiful game can’t be denied.

In its first Major League Soccer season, the Sounders franchise is a runaway winner.

The club easily tops the league in game attendance by averaging more than 30,500 fans each match — a whopping 10,000-plus more than second-and-third-place Toronto FC and the Los Angeles Galaxy.

Surging demand for tickets prompted Sounders officials to boost Qwest Field’s lower-bowl seating capacity to 32,400 from 24,400 at the start of the season. The team has sold 97 full-season corporate suites — for prices ranging from $9,000 to $32,000 — and has a season-ticket base of 22,000.

“We certainly anticipated a high level of success, but obviously we couldn’t have predicted exactly how well it has gone and how many things fell into place along the way,” Sounders general manager and part-owner Adrian Hanauer said.

Seattle’s success has clearly grabbed the attention of fledgling MLS franchises Portland and Vancouver, both due to enter the league in 2011 (notwithstanding the uncertain status of BC Place renovations).

Vancouver Whitecaps president Bob Lenarduzzi closely monitors the Sounders situation and he and his senior staff spent a day in Seattle earlier this season learning the details of the operation from Sounders executives.

“Seattle has been pretty systematic with what they’ve done and things have gone amazingly well,” he said.

Like Vancouver, Seattle has an active youth soccer movement and a strong background in professional soccer that laid the foundation for success at the MLS level, Hanauer said.

There also had been a strong pent-up demand for MLS soccer in Seattle, given former league commissioner Doug Logan promised the city would get a franchise if it built a new stadium. Qwest Field opened in 2002, but it took seven long years to field an MLS team.

Movie producer Joe Roth is the Sounders’ majority owner, with Hanauer, Seattle Seahawks owner Paul Allen and comedian Drew Carey holding minority stakes in the team.

The owners agreed early on the new team had to focus on being authentic and true to the game, Hanauer said, without distractions like cheerleaders, mascots, dancers or laser light shows.

“That means the entertainment on the field better be darn good, so we very specifically decided on a style of play that would please fans — attacking, brave, smart, creative soccer,” he said.

The result has been a competitive team that finds itself in the hunt for a playoff spot in its inaugural season. Twenty-two-year-old Colombian striker Fredy Montero has thrilled fans with his offensive flair this season, while 32-year-old Swedish midfielder and former Arsenal star Freddie Ljunberg is a clear fan favourite. The fiery Ljunberg doesn’t mail in his game performances. He received a yellow card during the Toronto FC game after tussling with opposing forward Dwayne DeRosario and was nearly tossed from the game after trash talking with the Toronto players bench.

It was Carey’s idea to have a 52-piece marching band — Sound Wave — create excitement before the game and the concept appears to have worked. Hundreds of Sounders fans meet in Pioneer Square 90 minutes before kickoff to hear the band play several high-energy tunes before they all march three blocks to Qwest Field.

Hanauer readily acknowledges Seattle’s success stems partly from copying the best ideas of other MLS teams — particularly Toronto FC, which sells out BMO Field every game.

Seattle adopted Toronto’s strategy of giving team scarves to season-ticket holders, who then display them as a show of club loyalty. At least two-thirds of Sounders fans at Qwest Field wear scarves or team jerseys, creating a veritable sea of green and blue throughout the stadium.

The team also understood early on the importance of cultivating and retaining a loyal fan base by “underpromising and overdelivering” to create a strong sense of value. Two hugely popular exhibition games against European powerhouses Chelsea and FC Barcelona this year were included in season-ticket packages.

“A lot of markets charge additionally for those games but we really want to deliver immense value for our season-ticket holders,” Hanauer said.

He also feels having a downtown stadium is a huge benefit to the new franchise.

“It can work with a suburban stadium, but it’s more of a challenge,” he said. “People are already used to coming down here for Mariners games, Seahawks games, restaurants and hotels, so it’s a lot easier for us to be here.”

The Whitecaps embraced the downtown-stadium concept a long time ago — first with their proposed soccer-specific stadium on the downtown waterfront and then by agreeing to lease space in a refurbished BC Place.

Lenarduzzi expects Vancouver’s MLS team will give season-ticket holders the same kind of value offered by the Sounders, noting the team already gives its USL-1 season-ticket holders free playoff tickets.

The Whitecaps also will stay true to the game and avoid flashy forms of fan entertainment, Lenarduzzi said, but he doubts it will get rid of its popular mascot, Winger.

“We love him and he appeals to our crowd,” he said. “We’ll try to assess things as we move along.”

Lenarduzzi, who recently went to Toronto to speak to prospective corporate clients, said corporate support for the new Vancouver MLS franchise already appears strong.

“We’ll be looking for that signature partner like Seattle has with Xbox,” he said.

The Sounders signed a lucrative five-year, $20-million sponsorship deal with Microsoft/Xbox, and the Xbox logo is displayed prominently on the front of the team jersey.

Whitecaps owner Greg Kerfoot hasn’t been keen on the idea of slapping a sponsor’s name on the front of a jersey, but it’s a common practice throughout the soccer world and Lenarduzzi said if the team can find the right sponsor, it could be a great fit.

The new Seattle franchise tried to abandon the Sounders name, but fans wouldn’t let it happen. The same scenario might happen in Vancouver; the Whitecaps organization is going through a branding exercise to determine the right name for the new MLS team.

“This is our one chance to make sure it’s the right name so we’re going to take our time and do the due diligence,” Lenarduzzi said. “If I have a vote, which I do, I wouldn’t want it to be anything other than Whitecaps, but that’s just me. I’m one person.”

Hanauer, meanwhile, said he’s keenly aware the Sounders’ success at the gate this season doesn’t guarantee huge crowds in the future. Major MLS markets like Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and New York have experienced attendance declines ranging from 20 to 25 per cent this season.

“All we can do is make sure we’re true to the brand and true to our fans and provide a great product on the field,” Hanauer said. “We can’t put people in their cars and deliver them to the stadium, but we feel if we do all the right things, we can sustain this for the long term.”

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Old Posted Sep 16, 2009, 9:59 AM
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I sure hope that the Whitecaps get their MLS franchise. It would be a tragedy for us to lose the MLS franchise because of the stadium issues. Get a stadium built already, if not a renovated BC Place (with the new roof, and all), then build a stadium that's just as impressive for soccer.

what if Kerfoot built a stadium (15,000, expandable to 30,000) with a retractable roof? I think that'd be a neat design.
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the success of the MLS Sounders is very cool.

I'm very curious how the MLS Whitecaps are going to look. Over the weekend, i was thinking that instead of the marching band that Seattle has, Vancouver should have a pipe and drum band instead. however, maybe pipes are not the most up-lifting of musical instruments.

also, i am curious who is going to be the big sponsor? I would not be surprised if all Canadian MLS teams (montreal next!) will have bank logos plastered all over them.
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^ It would work -- the pipe and drum band, that is. Not a common thing in professional sports, but I do recall when Rowdy Roddy Piper was escorted into Madison Square Garden with a pipe band during Wrestlemania 1, and the atmosphere created was electric.
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I sure hope that the Whitecaps get their MLS franchise. It would be a tragedy for us to lose the MLS franchise because of the stadium issues. Get a stadium built already, if not a renovated BC Place (with the new roof, and all), then build a stadium that's just as impressive for soccer.

what if Kerfoot built a stadium (15,000, expandable to 30,000) with a retractable roof? I think that'd be a neat design.
Vancouver will not lose its MLS team, and when (not if) Kerfoot gets his stadium built it will not seat fewer than 30,000 right from the beginning.
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^ yea, the Whitecaps made it quite clear to the MLS during the bidding process that BC Place was meant to be an interim home - they still intend on building that soccer-specific stadium within the decade.
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It's ridiculously sad to see that it's taken this long of a process for a man who wants to build a stadium with his own money. I wonder what could possibly take so long?

I realize the Port is being stubborn, but really, is that the only place where the Whitecaps want to build their stadium? Can't they find some other site in downtown?

I wonder when the stadium will actually get built. Right now, it seems like a dream, and if BC Place doesn't get a retractable roof? Uuugh...the retractable roof, and the BC Place upgrades were a major draw for fans to come out to watch the Whitecaps. It's almost a necessity for a new club entering into a new league...a new team, a new stadium (or at the very least a renovated one) - all this brings excitement.

Anyone know about the BC Place upgrades? Any updates? Any new news on the BC Place retractable roof?
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 7:23 AM
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Vancouver will not lose its MLS team, and when (not if) Kerfoot gets his stadium built it will not seat fewer than 30,000 right from the beginning.
How are you so sure? Didn't the MLS award Vancouver a MLS franchise contigent on the upgrades (retractable roof, internal upgrades, etc) of BC Place? If you could clarify on this, that'd be useful. Thx.
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