NEW YORK | 360 10th Avenue | 1,000 FT | 67 FLOORS

[Busy Bee]

^sq footage could also be kept low by unusually lofty ceiling heights. We'll probably see ceiling heights in this one approach or match modern office standards, probably ~15 ft.

[chris08876]

Just doing that, 15 ft, would make this over a 1000 feet. Assuming 1st floor is much higher due to a lobby, this under that assumption would be about 1020 feet or so. Now add mechanical, and it could be close to 1100 feet. But depending on how they design it (Maybe a crown, spire or some archi elements to push it up), it could much taller. Either way, we have a minimum of a 1000 which is a good starting point for speculation.

[scalziand]

Let's see, 432 Park is 700ksf. It could be wider than 432 Park and still be 1400'.

Edit: Hmm, wiki(400k) and CTBUH(700k) have different areas for 432 Park. Time to recheck the permits.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by scalziand

Let's see, 432 Park is 700ksf. It could be wider than 432 Park and still be 1400'.

Maybe the difference is between the residential floorspace and the total building square footage? Keep in mind that 432 Park has a pretty sizable retail element, as well as numerous below-ground levels.

In contrast, this Hudson Yards tower will not have extensive retail. It will probably be a bulkier tower, even if it rises to 1,400 ft.

[NYguy]

Also keep in mind that the 733k is probably total "zoned" floor space, which doesn't included mechanical. Mechanical totals always make these tower significantly larger.

But I would suspect a hotel component with this tower. The tie in to the High Line alone will make this a draw.

[Vertical_Gotham]

I would love for MSG to move at the Morgan site. It would make that area so much better and at the same time, use the huge amount if air rights waiting to be used to build tall around Penn Station.

Via MAS NYC

[JR Ewing]

I walked by the site today. I wonder when something will rise here.

[Hudson11]

just going to drop this here... *nonchalantly whistles*


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[JR Ewing]

Bloody hell! Where did that come from? That looks around 1,300'!

This is the Age of Ramses, lads!

[chris08876]

Awsome! Great timing as its friday, and one supertall a week is what where aiming at. Ramses himself would want that, and his legacy lives!

I'd say 1300 feet too. Possibly 1350 ft. Looks like a new signature tower for the HY region.

[Vertical_Gotham]

Hell yea!! My eagle eye says its 1,350+.

[JR Ewing]

Are we sure that's 360 10th and not another site a little further south and west? If it is 360, it looks to be over 1,600'. 360 is across 10th Ave from Coach. Coach is 895', and this looks almost twice as tall as that.

PS: Where did that render come from? I actually checked the DOB permits for 360 10th last night.

[Cynicism]

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[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Cynicism

I assume that site has a lot of rights.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Vertical_Gotham

I would love for MSG to move at the Morgan site. It would make that area so much better and at the same time, use the huge amount if air rights waiting to be used to build tall around Penn Station.

Not gonna happen, for a variety of reason. And MSG's best option was the backside of Farley, and even that was deemed to "far".

Anyway, we know that SHoP's planned supertall could be "as high" as 1,400 ft or so, (or at least a supertall). It could very well be taller than 30 Hudson. We'll just have to wait and see.

[baseball1992]

Originally Posted by JR Ewing

Are we sure that's 360 10th and not another site a little further south and west? If it is 360, it looks to be over 1,600'. 360 is across 10th Ave from Coach. Coach is 895', and this looks almost twice as tall as that.

PS: Where did that render come from? I actually checked the DOB permits for 360 10th last night.

Unless there is a a development site further south that a supertall could possibly rise from that we don't know about, this looks spot on with 360 10th Ave,

[hunser]

I'm pretty sure it matches 360 10th Ave. My first thought was the Tishman Spire site, but it's too far off. An article or some kind of news would be nice.

[Vertical_Gotham]

Originally Posted by JR Ewing

Are we sure that's 360 10th and not another site a little further south and west? If it is 360, it looks to be over 1,600'. 360 is across 10th Ave from Coach. Coach is 895', and this looks almost twice as tall as that.

PS: Where did that render come from? I actually checked the DOB permits for 360 10th last night.

You're right, it does appear further south. I just think whomever made it did not place the tower location correctly. Because of zoning, I'm pretty sure a tower over 1,000' isn't even possible south of 30th street at the high line/ Hudson Yards. I dunno.

[JR Ewing]

I walked by today and wondered if Hines is trying to buy the adjacent building, 450 W 31st Street. However, as per ACRIS, Sherwood, Hines' predecessor, already bought the development rights.

Here's the relevant entry:

7/19/2013

DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS

450 WEST 31ST OWNERS CORP.

SHERWOOD 30 LAND GROUP LLC

[sbarn]

Originally Posted by JR Ewing

I walked by today and wondered if Hines is trying to buy the adjacent building, 450 W 31st Street. However, as per ACRIS, Sherwood, Hines' predecessor, already bought the development rights.

Here's the relevant entry:

7/19/2013

DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS

450 WEST 31ST OWNERS CORP.

SHERWOOD 30 LAND GROUP LLC

No. Its a condo with multiple owners.