Future Canadian Skylines - Page 186

ainvan · #1 Posted **May 27, 2016, 4:59 PM**

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Looking Southwest at downtown Toronto approx. 2022...

caltrane74 · #2 Posted **May 27, 2016, 6:25 PM**

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Looking Southwest at downtown Toronto approx. 2022...

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The LCBO proposal is massive even from clear across downtown.

Toronto in 10 to 20 years is something we might not recognize. A completely new and different city, and will likely have a totally different street vibe than what we are currently accustomed to right now.

KoolKool · #3 Posted **May 25, 2016, 3:09 PM**

I suggest that yall should using sketchup for more accurate and realistic feel.

Beedok · #4 Posted **May 25, 2016, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by KoolKool

I suggest that yall should using sketchup for more accurate and realistic feel.

I am using sketchup.

TorontoDrew · #5 Posted **May 25, 2016, 6:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by KoolKool

I suggest that yall should using sketchup for more accurate and realistic feel.

I suggest you use Maya or 3D Max or AutoCad for a more realsitic feel you can't get with sketchup.

KoolKool · #6 Posted **May 26, 2016, 6:03 PM**

But Sketchup can preview on google earth.

Xelebes · #7 Posted **May 26, 2016, 7:23 PM**

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But Sketchup can preview on google earth.

But you can use a more realistic model of earth using Maya, AutoCAD or 3D Max.

Gresto · #8 Posted **May 27, 2016, 9:33 PM**

A lot of stagnating proposals will have to get moving, and quickly, for Toronto to look like that in 6 years.

koops65 · #9 Posted **May 27, 2016, 10:23 PM**

Not really... a bunch of the big towers we have now took 4, 5 or 6 years to go from a proposal to built.

(Just going by when the building threads were created, most were proposed much earlier)

Aura: 2009 - 2015 (6 years)

One Bloor: 2010 - 2016 (6 years, the current version, older versions go back several years earlier)

Ice: 2009 - 2015 (6 years)

Harbour Plaza: 2011 - 2016 (5 years)

Eau du Soleil: 2011 - 2017 (6 years)

Ten York: 2011 - 2017 (6 years)

I think the pattern here is clear... it really does take 6 or more years for the big towers to become built and occupied. The proposals we're seeing now will also take years to be completed. A bunch of current proposals will get cancelled, and a bunch more will finally make their way through the approvals process, and sales, and excavation... etc. Until the high-rise market in Toronto dies off, I don't see many changes from the previous 10 years. There are rumblings and stirrings from several of the big proposals, so they aren't all dead yet.

Gresto · #10 Posted **May 28, 2016, 2:38 AM**

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I think the pattern here is clear... it really does take 6 or more years for the big towers to become built and occupied.

From groundbreaking to completion, yes. How are some of the big proposals doing? LCBO is in the very embryonic stages. They're still dicking around with 1-5 Yonge, ad infinitum. It hasn't even started sales. Mirvish? Approved, but no sales opening anywhere on the horizon. 1BW? Site cleared prematurely, not yet approved (I think), and sales haven't begun. All the stuff at Yonge/Gerrard? Announced but nothing more. What else am I missing?
I agree with you that nary of the aforementioned are dead, but, other than maybe 1BW, they all seem mired in red tape or whatever.

rbt · #11 Posted **May 29, 2016, 9:06 PM**

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1BW? Site cleared prematurely, not yet approved (I think), and sales haven't begun.

One Bloor West is a retail mall with a very tall hat that nobody important (the developer) cares about much. The primary objective is the $60+ Million per year in retail lease revenue; $300 per sqft is a low rate for that stretch.

Residential sales until long after construction has started and it may well be capped for a while before the residential portion is completed.

If the residential didn't provide an audience for the retail (driving up the lease rates further) they'd probably be perfectly content with a 5 floor mall.

caltrane74 · #12 Posted **May 28, 2016, 9:26 AM**

I know we haven't heard of anything, but I have a feeling 1BW (the One) will already be spoken for when it goes on sale to the public.

koops65 · #13 Posted **May 28, 2016, 10:46 AM**

Let's go through the proposals and sort them... 175 metres +

Towers with signs of life:
One Yonge (3 towers)
M & G (2 towers)
The One
19 Duncan
415 King W
217 Adelaide W

In sales:
391 Yonge (2 towers)
23 Spadina (2 towers)
8 Cumberland
Rosedale on Bloor

Recently Proposed: No movement expected for a while...
55 Lake Shore E (6 towers)
33 Gerrard W (3 towers)
180 Queen's Quay (2 towers)
475 Yonge (2 towers)
88 North
22 Widmer
1 Eglinton E
Artists Alley

In Limbo: I thought this was supposed to be starting up soon...
Bay Park Centre I (part II is a long term vision for now)

Seems to be dead:
160 Front
Union Centre
Holt Renfrew
80 Bloor W
30 Bay St.
400 (2 towers)
35 Mercer
31A Parliament
481 University

Am I completely off base with some of these?

WhipperSnapper · #14 Posted **May 28, 2016, 12:45 PM**

Not really a fan of your list.

Towers with signs of life:
One Yonge (3 towers)
The One
19 Duncan
391 Yonge (2 towers)
23 Spadina (2 towers)
8 Cumberland
Rosedale on Bloor

Long Term Office:
Bay Park Centre I
160 Front
Union Centre
30 Bay St.

Recently Proposed: .
55 Lake Shore E (6 towers)
33 Gerrard W (3 towers)
180 Queen's Quay (2 towers)
475 Yonge (2 towers)
88 North (for now)
22 Widmer
1 Eglinton E
Artists Alley

In Limbo:
415 King W
217 Adelaide W
400 (2 towers)
35 Mercer

Stalled:
Holt Renfrew
80 Bloor W
35 Mercer
481 University
M & G (2 towers)

bold possible planning exercise