Statistics Canada Reports II

[MolsonExport]

^yes that was the name of one of the big ferries. We used to take it every summer back in the mid 80s.

[q12]

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail.../t004a-eng.htm





https://novascotia.ca/finance/statis...f=&dto=0&dti=3

[Jaws]

I think those civil servants in Ottawa need to get back to the office.

[saucylito]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

Prairie cities are far more remote than anything in the Maritimes or Nfld. Calgary has Edmonton within 3 hours driving, but then nothing for about 10. Kelowna is flirting with big city status, but they are still >250 000. Flying is a different story, but not everyone wants to fly everywhere and deal with the shit show that is flying these days...

That's hasn't really been my experience driving through the Plains part of Canada. I mostly flew between Everett, WA and Chicago but I too, much prefer driving or taking Amtrak. The drive going through Cheyenne, SLC and Boise actually seemed more remote than through Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta.
And through the Dakotas, Montana and Spokane is even more remote.

I think I'm using the word remote wrong, I think places that are limiting with things you can do maybe would be better way to describe.

That video that jonny24 posted

"That population map (very cool although the font is really bugging me, hard to read) reminded of this video I watched recently exploring the reasons for different settlement patterns on the Canada/US prairies:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9oT-7kDBFM

kind of explains my impressions of driving through Canada as opposed to the North West of US. Maybe I was expecting driving through Canada's Plains would be like you described, nothing 10 hours drive from Calgary, except Edmonton or maybe Kelowna, British Columbia, It just seemed more going on in Canada, to me. plus as described, Alberta has one of the highest development indexes in the world as compared to other countries like in Nordic countries

There's a youtube video that describes why the east coast of Canada is small on the development side of things as compared to New England and the eastern seaboard of America, I've never been that part of Canada so I can't say what driving through there would be like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-kkiZIERPc

explains why no big cities on Canada's Atlantic.

sorry I haven't replied back for so long, I forgot to log into this forum for a few weeks...

[someone123]

Originally Posted by saucylito

explains why no big cities on Canada's Atlantic.

Yes although he defines big cities to be places like Philadelphia or Toronto and most of Canada doesn't have cities of that size. He's right about the St. Lawrence and how Halifax isn't the "east coast Vancouver" for Canada because of that.

But the Maritimes have a higher population density and a lot of smaller cities and towns compared to the Great Plains/Prairies. I don't think the region would have gotten a Toronto-sized city in any reasonable scenario but it could have had a Calgary-sized city, for example if the Maritimes remained 1 province and did a bit better economically around 1870-1930. There are actually a lot of resources in the Maritimes. Arguably there's more/better farmland and fishing (maybe coal, iron, and more) than New England, and early on there was a moderate amount of industry.

[saucylito]

yes thanks for explaining.

I think Canada's cities would have a more balanced population distribution if Halifax was at least in top ten largest cities in Canada. at either rate, America's population distribution is quite different than Canada's as explained in the two videos, the Great Plains in each country have a lot of similarities but population density is very different, much bigger cities in Canada. But New England and Canada's east coast is the opposite.

Maybe adding up all the cities in the Martimes would get you to a Winnipeg sized city I suppose, which would add some more benefits and vibrancy probably. Just like adding up all the cities in the Montana would get you one larger city.

Maybe for example, if Halifax was bigger it could jump from 4th largest seaport in Canada and overtake Prince Rupert, British Columbia's 3rd place position. Or maybe the same amount of container transportation would occur anyway, hard to say.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by saucylito

Maybe for example, if Halifax was bigger it could jump from 4th largest seaport in Canada and overtake Prince Rupert, British Columbia's 3rd place position. Or maybe the same amount of container transportation would occur anyway, hard to say.

Halifax was ahead of Rupert in port tonnage until just a few years ago and Rupert is a tiny town. That really has to do with Asian trade. Montreal isn't that far ahead of Halifax in containerized cargo either (the gap is much smaller than the city size gap) and Halifax used to be more prominent in shipping, but was still not a major city. Port traffic can be helpful in building a metropolitan economy but doesn't guarantee anything and the port isn't a requirement.

Setting aside the idea of Halifax being a hub for all of Canada, which never really made sense geographically and is only contemplated because of where the borders of the USA happened to end up, I think factors like economic policy and outmigration (people moving from rural NS to ON or AB instead of Halifax) had more impact. Even the Halifax Explosion had a major measurable impact; a lot of people died and were injured and most of the city's industry was destroyed. I think Halifax would have been Winnipeg sized with just a bit less de-industrialization and outmigration back around 1900. These factors are not visible on a map and they tend to compound over time.

[saucylito]

yes indeed, having ports on the coast where most trade occurs plays a huge factor in tonnage for sure. That's why Port of LA and Port of Long Beach are two of the largest in America.

San Francisco had an earthquake in early 1900's and was greatly devastated, I'm not sure if it played a part in LA over taking Bay Area in population but the Bay Area has grown a lot in the last hundred years anyway.
I hope Halifax can recover, and the 21st Century is a high growth period for development for them as well.

[Aimhigh]

The east coasts of Canada and the US are likely to boom at some point in the future due to the predicted rise of African industry. This, of course, assumes Africa is stable and suffers from a lot less corruption than today. On the other hand, both India and China are built on corruption and they've done alright for themselves.

In any case, "booming" may be a generous overstatement as unlike Asia, Africa is full of natural resources which it would have no need to source from Canada for the most part. Nevertheless, I would think it were a safe bet that Atlantic Canada's fortunes are set to rise in the not-too-distant future.

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by Aimhigh

The east coasts of Canada and the US are likely to boom at some point in the future due to the predicted rise of African industry. This, of course, assumes Africa is stable and suffers from a lot less corruption than today. On the other hand, both India and China are built on corruption and they've done alright for themselves.

In any case, "booming" may be a generous overstatement as unlike Asia, Africa is full of natural resources which it would have no need to source from Canada for the most part. Nevertheless, I would think it were a safe bet that Atlantic Canada's fortunes are set to rise in the not-too-distant future.

What do you mean by 'African industry'?

[saucylito]

Originally Posted by Aimhigh

The east coasts of Canada and the US are likely to boom at some point in the future due to the predicted rise of African industry...

...Nevertheless, I would think it were a safe bet that Atlantic Canada's fortunes are set to rise in the not-too-distant future.

I like to think that east coast of Canada as well as places like upper Midwest like Ohio and Penn boom because of a rise in fortunes in Africa.

The trade network would maybe bypass the Martimes for the Montreal port again though no?

As corrupt as places like China and India are, those countries still manage to have growing economies, hopefully there's just as much will for the African continent and the populace there to become just as technologically advanced, so they don't have to rely so much on a resource economy.

I did read not too long ago that Canada has a high rate of vehicles stolen and transported to places like Africa though, not sure that's the kind of corruption or trade networks one would be hoping for.

[jc_yyc_ca]

I don't know which thread this best fits under, so I'll put it here. Toronto reclaiming 4th place in NA for tech city ranking, with Calgary, Ottawa and Waterloo showing strong growth.

* Before people start arguing,
A) These rankings aren't based on total numbers, but a ranking of change. For example a city might have a spot lower in the rankings, but might have a higher number of tech employees.
B) It's just a report, and not a statement that a city higher in the rankings is better than one lower in the ranking.
C) The report's definition of tech workers might be different than someone else's definition.

https://www.cbre.ca/press-releases/t...talent-ranking

List of top 50 NA Cities from the report.

Toronto added 95,900 tech talent jobs since 2018 – 44% growth, with only Calgary (+78.1%), Ottawa (+51.7%) and Waterloo Region (+45.5%) exceeding Toronto out of all North American cities.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Aimhigh

Nevertheless, I would think it were a safe bet that Atlantic Canada's fortunes are set to rise in the not-too-distant future.

It already has been doing better, going back to around 2015. More population and economic growth, healthier provincial budgets, etc.

Some earlier decades in the 20th century, like the 80's, weren't necessarily that bad either. The 90's were relatively bad and the region missed out on most of the huge economic growth that happened around 1880-1930. Prior to that era, Atlantic Canada had some of Canada's larger cities.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by saucylito

I like to think that east coast of Canada as well as places like upper Midwest like Ohio and Penn boom because of a rise in fortunes in Africa.

The trade network would maybe bypass the Martimes for the Montreal port again though no?

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Montreal has a draught problem as the newer generation of Container Ships will never even try to transit the St Lawrence. They are just too big. Halifax has been receiving and servicing Ships with 14,000 TEU's whereas the Normal ship that unloads in Montreal carries maybe 5,000 TEU's. Halifax Harbour is 58 Feet deep and 1 Hours sailing time off of the Great circle route from the Med and Europe.

[Aimhigh]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

What do you mean by 'African industry'?

Exactly what I said.

Right now, Africa is the poorest continent and is grossly underdeveloped. That also makes it one of the last inexpensive places for manufacturers to set up shop. Sooner or later, that's going to happen and since the place is mostly stabilized now, I'd say we're on a countdown.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Montreal has a draught problem as the newer generation of Container Ships will never even try to transit the St Lawrence. They are just too big. Halifax has been receiving and servicing Ships with 14,000 TEU's whereas the Normal ship that unloads in Montreal carries maybe 5,000 TEU's. Halifax Harbour is 58 Feet deep and 1 Hours sailing time off of the Great circle route from the Med and Europe.

There is a massive difference between Montreal and Halifax in total cargo tonnage. 34M vs 4,6M

Port of Montreal TEU 1.7M
(Contrecoeur) TEU 1.15M

Port of Halifax TEU 600k

There will be an expansion of the Port of Montreal in Contrecoeur.
https://www.arup.com/projects/port-o...nsion-project/
https://canada.constructconnect.com/...ansion-project

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[GreaterMontréal]

Quebec hit 9M on January 24 2024, since Q1 2024 already +163k. maybe close the year at 9,2M . The GMA is now well above 4,6M. Montreal captured approximately 64% of the total provincial population growth in 2023. Quebec is on poise to add maybe between 220-240k people in 2024, so 60% is about 140k. The GMEA is already over 5 million.

[LuluBobo]

When does StatCan announce CMA boundary changes? The 2026 changes are based on results from the 2021 census? So we should know now the commute flow changes to change CMA boundaries?

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

There is a massive difference between Montreal and Halifax in total cargo tonnage. 34M vs 4,6M

Port of Montreal TEU 1.7M
(Contrecoeur) TEU 1.15M

Port of Halifax TEU 600k

Source: me, just now.

[Zeej]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Source: me, just now.

Very well played.