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Old Posted Jul 24, 2024, 10:37 PM
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That's for personal travel. Corporate travel is booked through the agent. Not by us. We simply give our preferences on the travel approval request.
VIA does offer corporate discounts, so I assume that the government doesn’t pay full fare. Besides, from a taxpayer perspective, it is a bit of a shell game, as much of the fare received by VIA reduces the subsidy required.
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If only there was a way for trains to stop at stations along the way. The departure time for them would be much more reasonable.

Edit: in all seriousness though, here are the departure times:
station		Train 641
Ottawa, ON 4:19
Fallowfield, ON 4:38
Smiths Falls, ON 5:05
Brockville, ON 5:35
Kingston, ON 6:18
Belleville, ON 7:00
Cobourg, ON 7:35
Port Hope, ON 7:44
Toronto, ON 8:48
Even for someone in (or near) Smiths falls, this train becomes much more attractive than flying, as not only is the departure 45 minutes later, but you save about an hour of driving (each way).
The problem is that as long as VIA continues to share tracks with freight traffic I just don't see how it's ever going to be a reliable option for travellers between the NCR and the GTA. Even in business class I've never had the wifi connection be strong enough to get any meaningful work done, and cell reception is spotty for a lot of the journey so hotspot isn't a great alternative either.
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If only there was a way for trains to stop at stations along the way. The departure time for them would be much more reasonable.

Edit: in all seriousness though, here are the departure times:
station		Train 641
Ottawa, ON 4:19
Fallowfield, ON 4:38
Smiths Falls, ON 5:05
Brockville, ON 5:35
Kingston, ON 6:18
Belleville, ON 7:00
Cobourg, ON 7:35
Port Hope, ON 7:44
Toronto, ON 8:48
Even for someone in (or near) Smiths falls, this train becomes much more attractive than flying, as not only is the departure 45 minutes later, but you save about an hour of driving (each way).
Ok, but how many people are commuting from Smith Falls to Toronto?

Plausibility this is a commuter service starting in Kingston, which I think is where this train used to start.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2024, 6:47 PM
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The problem is that as long as VIA continues to share tracks with freight traffic I just don't see how it's ever going to be a reliable option for travellers between the NCR and the GTA. Even in business class I've never had the wifi connection be strong enough to get any meaningful work done, and cell reception is spotty for a lot of the journey so hotspot isn't a great alternative either.
Because Airlines never have delayed flights.

I do agree that VIA needs to improve thier reliability, and HFR will help with that tremendously.

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Ok, but how many people are commuting from Smith Falls to Toronto?

Plausibility this is a commuter service starting in Kingston, which I think is where this train used to start.
Commuters aren't the only ones who might want to do a day trip to Toronto. Many business travelers might want to travel to return the same day.

Yes this is a replacement for the early morning train from Kingston (which was a replacement for the overnight train from Montreal). As others have mentioned, Kingston isn't a crew centre for VIA, so all of the crew would need to be put up in a hotel overnight. By having the train start in Ottawa, VIA saves that cost (along with the cost of leasing siding space in Kingston), which can help offest some of the cost of having the train travel further.

The other consideration is that the train doesn't magically appear in Kingston (or Ottawa), but would need to arrive the night before, and while the early morning train may be rather empty between Ottawa and Kingston, the late night incoming train be considerably more utalized, once again helping to cover some of the costs.

Any passengers that do board the early train in Ottawa, Fallowfield, Smiths Falls and Brockvile, will be a bonus, not the target market. Better than deadheading and might provide a useful option for some.
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Commuters aren't the only ones who might want to do a day trip to Toronto. Many business travelers might want to travel to return the same day.

Yes this is a replacement for the early morning train from Kingston (which was a replacement for the overnight train from Montreal). As others have mentioned, Kingston isn't a crew centre for VIA, so all of the crew would need to be put up in a hotel overnight. By having the train start in Ottawa, VIA saves that cost (along with the cost of leasing siding space in Kingston), which can help offest some of the cost of having the train travel further.

The other consideration is that the train doesn't magically appear in Kingston (or Ottawa), but would need to arrive the night before, and while the early morning train may be rather empty between Ottawa and Kingston, the late night incoming train be considerably more utalized, once again helping to cover some of the costs.

Any passengers that do board the early train in Ottawa, Fallowfield, Smiths Falls and Brockvile, will be a bonus, not the target market. Better than deadheading and might provide a useful option for some.
Yes, I understand there are operational reasons to start the train in Ottawa. I was disagreeing with suggestions that this service would appeal to business travellers.
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Yes, I understand there are operational reasons to start the train in Ottawa. I was disagreeing with suggestions that this service would appeal to business travellers.
So you think a business traveler who lives in Smiths Falls would rather dirve an hour each way to YOW and fly for a day trip to Toronto?
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So you think a business traveler who lives in Smiths Falls would rather dirve an hour each way to YOW and fly for a day trip to Toronto?
I think the number of business travellers in Smiths Falls who have early morning appointments in Toronto and who don’t want to stay the night is negligible, possibly zero.
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I think the number of business travellers in Smiths Falls who have early morning appointments in Toronto and who don’t want to stay the night is negligible, possibly zero.
It isn't zero, but I agree that it likely isn't many. My point is if there are operational reasons to start the train in Ottawa, even if only a handful of people use it before Kingston, it is worthwhile not just having the train just deadhead. I don't think anyone is claiming that the train will be "popular" between Ottawa and Kingston.
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6-7 years just for the development/design phase. Holy hell. Looks like these smart bureaucrats know how to ensure themselves job security for the foreseeable future.
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6-7 years just for the development/design phase. Holy hell. Looks like these smart bureaucrats know how to ensure themselves job security for the foreseeable future.
And this is 10 years after the proposal was made. Even if in the most optimistic scenario this is a 25 year project.
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6-7 years just for the development/design phase. Holy hell. Looks like these smart bureaucrats know how to ensure themselves job security for the foreseeable future.
Don't worry, if Skippy's elected, he'll kill the project.
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Don't worry, if Skippy's elected, he'll kill the project.
If Skippy's elected, he'll kill federal funding for all passenger rail from VIA to Tshiuetin.
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Don't worry, if Skippy's elected, he'll kill the project.
I am not sure killing the project is any different than Trudeau’s plan to delay it for 25 years.
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Don't worry, if Skippy's elected, he'll kill the project.
I'm not convinced he will. The CPC platform talks about improving passenger rail, and the way the HxR project has been formulated, it ticks all of the boxes that Skippy would like, especially now that Air Canada has joined one of the consortiums.
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I'm not convinced he will. The CPC platform talks about improving passenger rail, and the way the HxR project has been formulated, it ticks all of the boxes that Skippy would like, especially now that Air Canada has joined one of the consortiums.
The P3 plan was also I believe designed to survive a change in government. 1) due to it being a contract 2) due to private sector involvement.
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Skippy's a vindictive little boy. He'll kill anything Trudeau had his hand on, not matter the cost. We'll see I guess.
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Skippy's a vindictive little boy. He'll kill anything Trudeau had his hand on, not matter the cost. We'll see I guess.
It would also be an opportunity to argue 10 years of Trudeau dithering was a failure and he can do better.
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