Homicide stats in Canadian Cities

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Acajack

"Third World" or not, Luis is absolutely right that a homicide rate over 3 is high-ish for a city in the developed affluent world. Where the US of course is a huge outlier and almost all cities are above 3 - often well above.

But in most of western Europe and reasonably wealthy parts of Asia, urban homicide rates are generally below 2 per 100,000. Often well below that.

Of course you may have places within these regions that are much higher, but they're considered to be places that "have problems". It's never considered "normal because we're a big city now".

Not sure who you’re quoting? The point I’m making is the rate is lower than what’s cited in that Twitter post, not that a rate above 3 is normal.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

Not sure who you’re quoting? The point I’m making is the rate is lower than what’s cited in that Twitter post, not that a rate above 3 is normal.

It was just a general statement in response to the discussion.

That said, Toronto is definitely on the high side compared to its peer cities like London and Sydney.

Even if the uncounted population could serve to bring the rate down by a few decimals. (Of course, this can be done for many other cities too.)

Just thinking of how Montreal at some points 30-40 years ago had over 100 homicides a year. Relative to its population at the time, that would have been a rate of 7-8 per 100,000 I'd say.

[blueandgoldguy]

I didn't realize the homicide rate was so high in Saskatoon. It's 60-70% higher than Winnipeg.

[kwoldtimer]

It's probably years out of date, but the world average used to hover around 9 per 100,000.

[HomeInMyShoes]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

I didn't realize the homicide rate was so high in Saskatoon. It's 60-70% higher than Winnipeg.

It's not usually that high. Regina is usually higher than Saskatoon, but we are somewhere around 1.2 / 100,000 right now for the year.

Generally it is North Battleford (if included), Winnipeg/Regina, and Saskatoon is much lower than all of those.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Yes the rise in crime is probably due to an increase in population from the third world. Not so much on the prairies but in Toronto yes.

There isn't really a rise in crime rates (or at least homicide) in Toronto's case though. The average number of murders is rising, but so is the population - the actual rate relative to population has held faily steady for several decades now, typically in the 2-3/100,000 range.

Hence, it's inaccurate to calculate the murder rate using a population number that is several hundred thousand smaller than it actually is.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Yes the rise in crime is probably due to an increase in population from the third world. Not so much on the prairies but in Toronto yes.

Blaming immigrants for the murder rate seems premature. The general corelation actually works the other way. Which is why Saskatoon has such a high murder rate and the territories rates are off the charts.

Originally Posted by Luisito

An interesting look at Torontos most wanted for homicide.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-ch...e/most-wanted/

Yeah if you scroll all the way to the bottom there are two or three people who might not be immigrants or children of immigrants wanted for murders in the 80s.

This is only unsolved murders so the family murder probably isn't quite so skewed but year it's pretty clear my first comment was wrong.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Blaming immigrants for the murder rate seems premature. The general corelation actually works the other way. Which is why Saskatoon has such a high murder rate and the territories rates are off the charts.

Yeah the prairies are the exception. I said that before.

[Luisito]

An interesting look at Torontos most wanted for homicide.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-ch...e/most-wanted/

[Acajack]

Looks like another one for Ottawa overnight so that makes 15. Shooting in the east end suburb of Orleans, which has always been in my mind the most placid place imaginable. They've had a number of murders and shootings in the past year or two out there though. This one and the others have been fairly close to where some relatives of ours live.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Blaming immigrants for the murder rate seems premature. The general corelation actually works the other way. Which is why Saskatoon has such a high murder rate and the territories rates are off the charts.,

It's not really a correlation that one can generalize with.

The areas of Canada that have the lowest murder rates by far are in Quebec and Atlantic Canada, and these are areas where the vast majority of the population is born in Canada with multigenerational roots in the country going back centuries, but this population is generally non-Indigenous.

These "Old Canada" regions tend to be a lot lower than areas with more immigrants, though the latter isn't quite as high as areas that are more Indigenous.

As such, high murder rates aren't necessarily correlated with how long your family has been in the country, either way.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's not really a correlation that one can generalize with.

The areas of Canada that have the lowest murder rates by far are in Quebec and Atlantic Canada, and these are areas where the vast majority of the population is born in Canada with multigenerational roots in the country going back centuries, but this population is generally non-Indigenous.

These "Old Canada" regions tend to be a lot lower than areas with more immigrants, though the latter isn't quite as high as areas that are more Indigenous.

As such, high murder rates aren't necessarily correlated with how long your family has been in the country, either way.

Indigenous and recent immigrants have the highest murder victim and perpetrators rates

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Indigenous and recent immigrants have the highest murder victim and perpetrators rates

Correct. And their family histories in the country range from 10,000+ years to 0-5 years.