CHICAGO: ORD & MDW discussion

[k1052]

Originally Posted by ardecila

I could be wrong but I don't think the train will be sterile though. They might need to build a sterile corridor in the tunnel alongside the train, with moving walkways. Or they just keep using buses, but going to T2 instead of T5.

My recollection is that the plan is for a sterile walking connection from the satellite terminal to T2.

[Kngkyle]

Originally Posted by k1052

My recollection is that the plan is for a sterile walking connection from the satellite terminal to T2.

Correct. I also don't think the train itself will come until S2 is built. It'll just be two segregated corridors with the plan to eventually convert the domestic one to a train between OGT, S1 and S2 (if/when that comes). I believe the international corridor will always be just for walking.

I'm a big fan of the design as shown - expectations exceeded. Someone who claims to be in the know over at airliners.net said that if you like this design then you will love the updated OGT design.

[Steely Dan]

Looks fine.

Just build.

[BrickellBased]

Article out with same renderings and some info on Urbanize today.

https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/r...-part-ohare-21

I echo others' sentiments. The design is nice - please just build it sooner rather than later.

[2PRUROCKS!]

I really like the design of the satellite concourse. It exceeds what I was expecting for the design. I love the tree like columns and "floating" walkway and really like the gentle elegant curves, the warm tones and varied textures of the ceiling, and the abundance of natural light.

[r18tdi]

Maybe this schematic was correct after all? The footprint and massing of satellite concourse looks pretty accurate. Hopefully we'll see the revised OGT break cover soon:

[Tcmetro]

Terminal 5 parking garage construction update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSjCmblCRtE

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[Chicagoguy]

Avianca Adds Airbus A320 Chicago O'Hare To Bogota Flights

“With airlines starting to look toward the 2024 winter season, Latin American carrier avianca has announced it is resuming the route connecting Chicago to the Colombian capital, Bogota, after a five-year hiatus. On Wednesday, the airline opened ticket sales for the new nonstop route that will commence on October 27, offering more than 2,500 seats weekly.”

“The route will be operated with an Airbus A320 with a capacity for 180 passengers on the daily flights. It is scheduled to depart Bogota El Dorado as flight AV262 at 07:00 and arrive in Chicago at 13:15. The return flight AV263 departs Chicago O'Hare at 14:35 and is due back in Bogota at 20:25.“

https://simpleflying.com/avianca-air...-ohare-bogota/

[Tcmetro]

The latest update of Google Earth imagery (March 2024) shows the new gates L25 and L27 in Terminal 3 (F26 to open in the fall once the building that is there is demolished. It also shows the temporary gates at the Terminal 1 satellite concourse that will be used while the new satellite is under construction.

[N830MH]

Originally Posted by Tcmetro

The latest update of Google Earth imagery (March 2024) shows the new gates L25 and L27 in Terminal 3 (F26 to open in the fall once the building that is there is demolished. It also shows the temporary gates at the Terminal 1 satellite concourse that will be used while the new satellite is under construction.

Oh, great! Thanks for the update! Keep us posted!

[nomarandlee]

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target for the o'hare terminal revamp quietly slips to 2034
by john pletz

september 06, 2024 11:16 am

...the timetable for completing o’hare’s massive $8.5 billion terminal overhaul and expansion has pushed out another two years.
The project is expected to be completed by 2034, according to a timeline published in connection with a new $1 billion bond offering.....

The centerpiece of the project — a new global terminal that will allow incoming international travelers to connect to domestic terminals 1 and 3 that are home to united and american airlines — is still on track to be completed by 2032....

Construction will begin with satellite 1 next year and is schedueld to be completed in 2028...

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[twister244]

Originally Posted by nomarandlee

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One thing I find interesting about that article is the updated timeline pushes the detention pond work all the way out to 2033 - Which I find odd.....

That's work they could do at any time given it doesn't really require any closure of major runways, etc...... Plus, there seems to be a lot of work being done down by the South detention pond currently. Problem is, unless you are in the know, it's hard to know exactly what's being done.

The good news is it's not like nothing is being done right now. There's a ton of work still being done West of the C concourse..... They just finished demo of the data building that will let the final 3rd stinger gate be put in later this year. The new parking ramp should be done soon at T5, and T3 work should be underway soon, if it's not already.

I'm still pretty happy with the schedule..... I care more about the OGT getting done than anything. Given the bonds that were issued, and the comprehensive utility work that has been done, there's no reason why S1 and OGT should be delayed further, barring unexpected circumstances.....

[SIGSEGV]

I flew to Frankfurt the other day on a full Lufthansa 747 from B16 that was scheduled just half an hour after a flight to Munich (not sure what plane and if it was also completely full...) at B17. The gate area was a complete chaotic shit show from so many people for the two flights. It got better after the Munich people left but I feel like maybe scheduling the two flights so close together is kind of mess? Probably the problem is that B16/17 are too contended. Next time I fly to Frankfurt I'll definitely avoid the 4 pm flight...

[aaron38]

Parking lot question if anyone knows. Went on a business trip a few weeks ago. My boss wanted to carpool and drive. When we got there, the garage at the end of the tram was full, so we had to park in Economy lot G. There was a shuttle bus that brought us over to the tram.

On the tram ride, we passed over a completely empty parking lot (I think E) with an empty ghost tram station filled with trash that we didn't stop at.

Why is that station empty and that lot empty when it's closer to the airport than G? Why are they running shuttle busses instead of having that station open?

[twister244]

Originally Posted by aaron38

Parking lot question if anyone knows. Went on a business trip a few weeks ago. My boss wanted to carpool and drive. When we got there, the garage at the end of the tram was full, so we had to park in Economy lot G. There was a shuttle bus that brought us over to the tram.

On the tram ride, we passed over a completely empty parking lot (I think E) with an empty ghost tram station filled with trash that we didn't stop at.

Why is that station empty and that lot empty when it's closer to the airport than G? Why are they running shuttle busses instead of having that station open?

Hmmmm - Good observation. Looking at satellite imagery, it does look like there's a ghost station there. Maybe that lot has been reserved for construction equipment, or where construction workers park there car? I don't think there's any other plans for that area, so maybe it will open up as a station after all of the expansion work is done?

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by twister244

Hmmmm - Good observation. Looking at satellite imagery, it does look like there's a ghost station there. Maybe that lot has been reserved for construction equipment, or where construction workers park there car? I don't think there's any other plans for that area, so maybe it will open up as a station after all of the expansion work is done?

The old ATS station sits within the Runway Protection Zone and is considered a hazard to navigation for aircraft. It will eventually be torn down.

With many construction projects going on right now and a secure airfield/secure terminals, they do have a need for a lot of worker parking. I'm not sure what the long term plan is for this zone, but O'Hare will continue to have major construction projects for the next 10-15 years at least.

[k1052]

Originally Posted by ardecila

The old ATS station sits within the Runway Protection Zone and is considered a hazard to navigation for aircraft. It will eventually be torn down.

With many construction projects going on right now and a secure airfield/secure terminals, they do have a need for a lot of worker parking. I'm not sure what the long term plan is for this zone, but O'Hare will continue to have major construction projects for the next 10-15 years at least.

It is odd that it's been there a good long while with the lot closed and no move to demolish it. Would have figured they'd needed to have dismantled it prior to the runway going into service.

[ardecila]

Yeah, I'm not sure. Even if it's deemed to not be a navigation hazard, you can't really take advantage of that station if you can't build anything new around it. It'll never be more than a parking lot.

The construction workers who park there now are not, generally, headed to the terminals so they are better using bus shuttles instead of the ATS.

[k1052]

Originally Posted by ardecila

Yeah, I'm not sure. Even if it's deemed to not be a navigation hazard, you can't really take advantage of that station if you can't build anything new around it. It'll never be more than a parking lot.

The construction workers who park there now are not, generally, headed to the terminals so they are better using bus shuttles instead of the ATS.

If the air cargo campus needs to expand again it's probably going to do so into lot G and where the CDA building stands I would guess. Maybe they want to keep the option of reactivating lot E if the FAA said they don't need to demo the ATS station and when demand for construction parking winds down post T2 replacement.

[Kngkyle]

United Airlines approaches 20-year high at O'Hare

United Airlines is flying more capacity from O’Hare International Airport than at any time in the past 20 years.
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As a result, the Chicago-based carrier will be flying 5% more seats to and from O’Hare this month than it did in 2019, before the pandemic hit the U.S., and 17% more than it did a decade ago.
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United’s capacity at O’Hare, where it’s the largest carrier, will be up 12% in the fourth quarter from a year ago.
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United is operating about 550 flights a day from O’Hare, says Mark Weithofer, managing director of domestic planning. That’s fewer than before, but by design. The airline has been retiring regional jets in favor of larger planes that carry more passengers, and O’Hare had the highest percentage of regional jets.

It will fly 300 mainline flights a day from O’Hare this fall, the highest level since 2007, says Matt Stevens, vice president of international network.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/airl...fic-high-ohare




Love to see it.