Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

350k per year, with a goal of trying to spread people around to the medium sized cities, would be ideal, I think.

The problem is you can't spread immigrants like butter on a toast. Try as you might, immigrants will congregate in Toronto, Montréal, Vancouver, Calgary. And these cities can't grow forever. Toronto is already at a point where any additional growth has more downsides than positive benefits.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

Racism is like pornography: it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

Personally I found Justin Trudeau foolishly dressing up as a cliché Indian while visiting India rather racist. I suppose you don't find it racist. So I'm not sure racism is obvious when you see it. It's all in the eyes of the beholder really.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

Looks like QS is in full French election campaigning mode:



https://x.com/RubaGhazalQS/status/1805646049744195607

Moustaches should be outlawed! I thought the moustache had disappeared with the 1970s, but its recently revival is one of the worst recent phenomenons in Western culture.

[harls]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

Racism is like pornography: it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

Interracial porn would like to have a word with you.

[Acajack]

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/j...GTOVJNB2WBVLE/

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[harls]

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Whatever mod is censoring what these guys are saying, WTF...?

[905er]

Diversity is dying in Canada. The source country of almost all immigration is India. The immigrants both permanent and "temporary" are almost all predominately Indian, specifically from Punjab. Brampton is now almost entirely Indian. Why must almost all our immigrants currently come from just one country? Can anyone enlighten me on why? I'll be the first to admit my ignorance when it comes to immigration, but in the past I'd say 3-4 yrs Canada has changed so drastically and I can't wrap my head around why so many new immigrants are coming in. I understand the birth rate being low, and the need to grow our economy, but when it seems that we're suffocating here as it is, how is bringing millions of Indians in helping the situation? Is the federal government actively discriminating against immigrants from other source nations? because as I look around, it would seem so.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by 905er

Diversity is dying in Canada. The source country of almost all immigration is India. The immigrants both permanent and "temporary" are almost all predominately Indian, specifically from Punjab. Brampton is now almost entirely Indian. Why must almost all our immigrants currently come from just one country? Can anyone enlighten me on why? I'll be the first to admit my ignorance when it comes to immigration, but in the past I'd say 3-4 yrs Canada has changed so drastically and I can't wrap my head around why so many new immigrants are coming in. I understand the birth rate being low, and the need to grow our economy, but when it seems that we're suffocating here as it is, how is bringing millions of Indians in helping the situation? Is the federal government actively discriminating against immigrants from other source nations? because as I look around, it would seem so.

Yup I’d say it’s favouritism based on the large amount of Indian staff working in immigration Canada. There has to be some kind of bias.

I won’t lie. It’s really weird seeing how my own neighborhood has transformed in the past five years. Indian people everywhere and I live in a rural community. All the businesses in the area are getting bought up by Indians. Most of the local Restaurants in the area all serve some kind of Indian food now. All the gas stations are all Indian owned now. A house down the road is now some kind of temple. It’s weird.

Must be how the indigenous people felt 200 years ago. Wonder how they feel now seeing this level of colonization happening.

Go to Walmart and all the staff aren’t speaking French or English.

It’s only a matter of time before there’s a large enough presence of a particular demographic that they can start making policy changes at the national level.
It’s happening in the states, a majority Muslim community council banned pride flags and events from their community. Look at the treatment of our Jewish citizens recently. Canada needs to be very careful.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-flags-banned

[theman23]

Originally Posted by 905er

Diversity is dying in Canada. The source country of almost all immigration is India. The immigrants both permanent and "temporary" are almost all predominately Indian, specifically from Punjab. Brampton is now almost entirely Indian. Why must almost all our immigrants currently come from just one country? Can anyone enlighten me on why? I'll be the first to admit my ignorance when it comes to immigration, but in the past I'd say 3-4 yrs Canada has changed so drastically and I can't wrap my head around why so many new immigrants are coming in. I understand the birth rate being low, and the need to grow our economy, but when it seems that we're suffocating here as it is, how is bringing millions of Indians in helping the situation? Is the federal government actively discriminating against immigrants from other source nations? because as I look around, it would seem so.

Doubt there's any discrimination. Likely just market forces. China has developed to a point where the desire to emigrate has subsided considerably, leaving as India as the world's largest source of immigrants. All the other countries on the list are several times smaller than India and China (Phillipines, Afghanistan, Nigeria round out the top 5). If you've travelled the world recently, you'll probably notice that there's been a seemingly drastic uptick of Indian immigrant even in countries where you typically don't see them - Japan, Korea, etc.

India also has a large industry of scam overseas school recruiters, which is the perfect complement to our industry of scam universities and colleges. If we swing our doors open, people still need to want to come here and it appears the Indians are the group most likely to fall for this scheme.

[905er]

it's terrifying and disappointing seeing what is happening here. It's a shame. My neighbourhood has been transformed into one that is signigificantly Indian student population based. The level of disregard for the host nation I witness on a daily basis is appalling. It needs to get under control. It's looking and feeling a lot less Canadian and more and more Indian here. I'm at a point where I want to move, but to where? I grew up in a very multicultural world.. but Indian migration into Canada in the volumes that we are seeing is killing our identity and our diversity. It's one nationality moving in which wouldn't be so much a problem, if other nationalities were given an equal opportunity to settle in Canada. I'm convinced there is favouritism involved. Post COVID Canada is turning into nightmare.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by theman23

Doubt there's any discrimination. Likely just market forces. China has developed to a point where the desire to emigrate has subsided considerably, leaving as India as the world's largest source of immigrants. All the other countries on the list are several times smaller than India and China (Phillipines, Afghanistan, Nigeria round out the top 5). If you've travelled the world recently, you'll probably notice that there's been a seemingly drastic uptick of Indian immigrant even in countries where you typically don't see them - Japan, Korea, etc.

India also has a large industry of scam overseas school recruiters, which is the perfect complement to our industry of scam universities and colleges. If we swing our doors open, people still need to want to come here and it appears the Indians are the group most likely to fall for this scheme.

I imagine that if the government tried to set quotas for greater diversity it would be treated as discrimination against Indian people.

I have no issue with Indian people and find that there are generally only minor cultural differences on the surface which aggravate me, like talking on cellphones frequently on transit or sometimes not using headphones. I love cultures where that is verboten. I’m not sure if those observations are purely anecdotal though.

It does feel very foreign or different at times and that can be unnerving, to the degree that it doesn’t feel familiar. I don’t feel like I belong in those settings, for example. Maybe that’s just my problem in adapting to difference though or the fact that I spend a lot of time in Surrey. But even Metrotown is changing now. I would prefer greater diversity. It seems like in our current environment even saying that will brand you as racist.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by 905er

it's terrifying and disappointing seeing what is happening here. It's a shame. My neighbourhood has been transformed into one that is signigificantly Indian student population based. The level of disregard for the host nation I witness on a daily basis is appalling. It needs to get under control. It's looking and feeling a lot less Canadian and more and more Indian here. I'm at a point where I want to move, but to where? I grew up in a very multicultural world.. but Indian migration into Canada in the volumes that we are seeing is killing our identity and our diversity. It's one nationality moving in which wouldn't be so much a problem, if other nationalities were given an equal opportunity to settle in Canada. I'm convinced there is favouritism involved. Post COVID Canada is turning into nightmare.

That seems like emotional thinking. Chinese immigration is down substantially, but that’s a world wide phenomenon due to improved living standards. There does seem to be a slight preponderance for Indians as opposed to Nigerians, but it’s small. That could also be explained by numerous things like the abundance of scam recruiters in India, bridge migration due to pre existing diasporas, and more significant push pull factors. There’s obviously going to be more emigres from a developing country of 1.4 billion than a place like Switzerland.

The place that does seem disproportionately over represented is Afghanistan, and there likely is some favouritism going on there due to political reasons related to the fall of the Taliban and our supposed obligation to the country for reasons related to the war. But the absolute numbers are small and will likely normalize soon.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

I imagine that if the government tried to set quotas for greater diversity it would be treated as discrimination against Indian people.

I have no issue with Indian people and find that there are generally only minor cultural differences on the surface which aggravate me, like talking on cellphones frequently on transit or sometimes not using headphones. I love cultures where that is verboten. I’m not sure if those observations are purely anecdotal though.

It does feel very foreign or different at times and that can be unnerving, to the degree that it doesn’t feel familiar. I don’t feel like I belong in those settings, for example. Maybe that’s just my problem in adapting to difference though or the fact that I spend a lot of time in Surrey. But even Metrotown is changing now. I would prefer greater diversity. It seems like in our current environment even saying that will brand you as racist.

To put in bluntly, India is the worlds biggest shit hole right now. And it really isn’t even close. If you’re going to have an immigration system that is blind to national origin, it’ll end up being mostly Indians based on that alone. I’m not sure what the right make up of our immigrant pool should be, but any quota system that would reduce Indian immigration would be at least a little bit racist and probably arbitrary.

These growing pains and racial tension are really only a problem because we have a government that thought it was a good idea to secretly implement policy that brought in over 1 million newcomers a year. If we revert to 2015 levels of immigration, we might even return the old Canadian consensus on immigration.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by theman23

To put in bluntly, India is the worlds biggest shit hole right now. And it really isn’t even close. If you’re going to have an immigration system that is blind to national origin, it’ll end up being mostly Indians based on that alone.

In the end, I don’t think that Canada is as tolerant as we’d like to portray ourselves. The vibe is that the current trajectory is unpopular. The most openly anti-Indian things I’ve heard during my time in Vancouver have come from East Asian people. That’s a very large and established demographic which might want to vote for change as well.

As a manager, I had East Asian employees complain when I hired SE Asian people. To me it was insane that they felt comfortable expressing blatant racism at work and I had to tell them this wasn’t the place to voice that kind of opinion.

[905er]

visit Brampton sometime. It's not Canada. It's where multiculturalism comes to die.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

The most openly anti-Indian things I’ve heard during my time in Vancouver have come from East Asian people.

No one is more racist towards Indians than other Indians.

After all, it's a massive and incredibly diverse country - religiously, linguistically, ethnically, and socioeconomically - so it should come as no surprise that many of those same tensions from the old country still exist when they come over here. Then there's also the added dimension of the older stock of more westernized or multi-gen Indo-Canadians who often look down on the uncouth newcomers (this happens in every immigrant community).

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by harls

Whatever mod is censoring what these guys are saying, WTF...?

In my case it was a double post I deleted myself.

But thanks for looking out for me!

[Acajack]

Following up on what theman23 said, close to 20% of all humans are Indian, and 25% are South Asian (which many Canadians on the streets would all lump in as "Indian").

Our government most definitely isn't conspiring to make Canada more Indian and our federal immigration department isn't predominantly Indian nor is any government department for that matter.

That said the government doesn't care if the country becomes more and more Indian. Or more and more Polynesian or more and more Zulu.