Broadway Corridor Updates

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by madog222

The second is for a hotel at the north west corner.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=230629541

It looks like the applicant is part of a Coquitlam-based hospitality group. "Ishtar Esmail is an Asset Manager for Marquee Group, a family-owned real estate company, whose portfolio consists of hotels, apartments, and commercial mixed-use buildings located in North America. Marquee Group owns and operates reputable brands such as Hilton, Marriot, and InterContinental Hotels Group (IHG)".

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by madog222

Two new preliminary submissions at 12th & Oak.

This first one is for the two properties bought by VGH and UBC Hospital Foundation back in 2022.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=223271972


The second is for a hotel at the north west corner.


https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=230629541

So this hotel would replace an existing rental building, in which case don't those units have to replaced elsewhere under the B'way Plan? Or is it a strata?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

So this hotel would replace an existing rental building, in which case don't those units have to replaced elsewhere under the B'way Plan? Or is it a strata?

Aren't search engines an amazing thing? Strata.

[madog222]

It was strata that was wound up in 2017. Marquee seems to currently be running it as long stay suites with one month minimum stays. https://www.twelveoaksbymarquee.com/

[AlessioSBT]

Personal opinion about the plan.

I am not sure the end result will be what they're hoping for.
Main concern for me is that Broadway is a very "large" street. There are currently 6 lanes and from what i see on the plan they still want to maintain too many of them.
I just don't see businesses with patio outside and people chilling on benches if you have 6 lanes of cars in front of your face, with the equivalent pollution, sounds, etc.
At the beginning i thought the separated bike lines would solve that (giving sidewalks and patios a clear separation from the street) but now that they said no to that i think it's kinda the end of the street for me.
Everything else can still be good, but i think Broadway will become, best case scenario, like west Georgia.
It's in the middle of everything but you don't see patio facing west georgia, not even people chilling there. It's just a place that you use to go somewhere.

[idunno]

Echo the thought that no bike lanes on an arguably very wide street was a bone-headed decision. But the street will be going down to 4 lanes + turning lanes at intersections, FWIW, so it's going to be somewhat calmed, traffic wise.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Yeah, AFAIK the plan is to convert the parking lanes to sidewalk space at the station blocks, then the rest later, leaving four lanes. Two lanes OTOH is a non-starter because there's too many bus routes that need the roadspace, even without the 99.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Personal opinion about the plan.

I am not sure the end result will be what they're hoping for.
Main concern for me is that Broadway is a very "large" street. There are currently 6 lanes and from what i see on the plan they still want to maintain too many of them.
I just don't see businesses with patio outside and people chilling on benches if you have 6 lanes of cars in front of your face, with the equivalent pollution, sounds, etc.
At the beginning i thought the separated bike lines would solve that (giving sidewalks and patios a clear separation from the street) but now that they said no to that i think it's kinda the end of the street for me.
Everything else can still be good, but i think Broadway will become, best case scenario, like west Georgia.
It's in the middle of everything but you don't see patio facing west georgia, not even people chilling there. It's just a place that you use to go somewhere.

One good thing is that the sidewalks on parts of Broadway are very wide, lots of room for patios, particularly places between Granville to Main. The worst thing is how little residential is being proposed right on Broadway. Instead they're tearing down rentals on adjacent streets rather than tired, old commercial on Broadway.

[GenWhy?]

455-485 Great Northern Way and 1850 Thornton Street is live

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/455-565...50-thornton-st

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applic...on-booklet.pdf

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Personal opinion about the plan.

I am not sure the end result will be what they're hoping for.
Main concern for me is that Broadway is a very "large" street. There are currently 6 lanes and from what i see on the plan they still want to maintain too many of them.
I just don't see businesses with patio outside and people chilling on benches if you have 6 lanes of cars in front of your face, with the equivalent pollution, sounds, etc.
At the beginning i thought the separated bike lines would solve that (giving sidewalks and patios a clear separation from the street) but now that they said no to that i think it's kinda the end of the street for me.
Everything else can still be good, but i think Broadway will become, best case scenario, like west Georgia.
It's in the middle of everything but you don't see patio facing west georgia, not even people chilling there. It's just a place that you use to go somewhere.

Broadway is slated to be reduced from its current 6-lane configuration (this includes the parking lanes) to 4 lanes, with the occasional parking / loading cut-out. That is 2 lanes less than Georgia, and closer to a West 4th configuration with more generous build setbacks (wider sidewalks), or West 2nd Ave in Olympic Village, with even wider sidewalks. The loudest, most consistent culprit for noise on Broadway being the 99 buses.

The sidewalks (as far as I can tell will be, at minimum, as wide as the current widest sections (think Crosstown building where the London Drugs entrance is), and, at its maximum, with the additional removed car lane width. Something like 10 metres I think.

For patio licenses I think what you might see is the typical 1-2 table-deep patio adjacent the building, then a wide sidewalk, then the roughly 1.5 metres tree and street furniture ROW, then a traffic lane.

West Georgia is a bit different as it has a special designation, which, to my understanding, has resulted in it being more of a promenade / through-way without active frontages (old office lobbies don't help either) and it is the only route over the Lions Gate Bridge.

I would highly encourage you to tell the City what you think:

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/broadway-plan

https://syc.vancouver.ca/projects/br...infoboards.pdf

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by whatnext

One good thing is that the sidewalks on parts of Broadway are very wide, lots of room for patios, particularly places between Granville to Main. The worst thing is how little residential is being proposed right on Broadway. Instead they're tearing down rentals on adjacent streets rather than tired, old commercial on Broadway.

I think we'll see more of those on-Broadway applications come. I think a major item is the smaller lot sizes / multiple owners, and potentially long commercial leases.

The quiet side-street applications look to be the result of very large / long older apartment buildings. Little to no assembly required.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

One good thing is that the sidewalks on parts of Broadway are very wide, lots of room for patios, particularly places between Granville to Main. The worst thing is how little residential is being proposed right on Broadway. Instead they're tearing down rentals on adjacent streets rather than tired, old commercial on Broadway.

Based on the Broadway Plan, there are already two rental towers under construction on West Broadway (at Granville, and at Birch), there are two towers approved to replace the old MEC, and there are two others proposed (at Ontario, and at Fraser). So that's six towers out of 45 in total in the plan area. There are also two hotels approved on West Broadway, and an office tower submitted.

We know there are two more rental towers submitted on the 1400 block, and at least two more Broadway sites have sold for redevelopment, but we haven't seen a proposal yet. So Broadway's getting quite a bit of development action - more than any of the other east-west streets.

[madog222]

Proposal for the Jordans site.

1470-1476 W Broadway - B.Plan - Rezone 1470 W Broadway from C-3A to CD-1 to permit a 34-storey mixed-use building under the Broadway Plan. The application includes 300 secured rental units with 20% of the residential floor area at below-market rates, at-grade commercial use, a secondary Skytrain connection and transit plaza POPs. A density of 13.0 FSR with a gross floor area of 18,886 sq. m (203,266 sq. ft.) and a height of 119 m (391 ft.) are proposed. There are 87 vehicle parking spaces, 487 Class A and 16 Class B bicycle spaces proposed. Application is non-compliant with the Broadway Plan because the proposal is not meeting the minimum job space requirements, density is in excess of the Plan, and not meeting tower separation requirements.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=234355211


Also, here is 325 E 6th. I though this was going to be solely strata having delivered social housing next door but this proposal has 22 social housing and 109 strata units.


https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/325-e-6-ave

[BaddieB]

A second Skytrain entrance we won

[Vin]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

A second Skytrain entrance we won

Took planners that long to realize that putting all the foot traffic to cross at the road intersection is plain dumb.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Ah, the beauty of having enough budget for a properly-integrated station design.

[officedweller]

Just using the planned knock-out panels, I assume.
but there'll be costs associated with additional faregates, etc.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Just using the planned knock-out panels, I assume.
but there'll be costs associated with additional faregates, etc.

Jordan's is pretty much opposite the entrance to the station on the north side of the street, so it'll presumably also involve tunnelling (or digging out) the sidewalk on the south side to reach the knock-out box. I assume the design of Cambie station is similar; if/when there's a development on the north east corner of the intersection there can be an entrance on the north side.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Jordan's is pretty much opposite the entrance to the station on the north side of the street, so it'll presumably also involve tunnelling (or digging out) the sidewalk on the south side to reach the knock-out box. I assume the design of Cambie station is similar; if/when there's a development on the north east corner of the intersection there can be an entrance on the north side.

Yeah, I would assume so - and that it won't get done until after the north side of Broadway is restored, unless there's a way they can mine the pedestrian access tunnel now without fear of collapse.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Yeah, I would assume so - and that it won't get done until after the north side of Broadway is restored, unless there's a way they can mine the pedestrian access tunnel now without fear of collapse.

Well the project isn't on Shape Your City yet, and then there's a public hearing, development permit, and demolition of the existing building, so the street should be back by then.